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Palin supports hunting wolves - FROM THE AIR
« on: September 09, 2008, 08:18:06 PM »
WTF, mate?

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Re: Palin supports hunting wolves - FROM THE AIR
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2008, 08:29:53 PM »
is she a rancher?

On a related note, are you going to make a thread about every instance of moral bankruptcy that comes to light about this "pit bull" with lipstick?  That could be a lot of threads.

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Re: Palin supports hunting wolves - FROM THE AIR
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2008, 08:31:57 PM »
WTF, mate?
That sounds like it would be alot of fun, hanging out of the side of a helicopter trying to hit the little bastard wolves running around, through the trees, rocks, etc. :D
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Re: Palin supports hunting wolves - FROM THE AIR
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2008, 08:38:13 PM »
very odd mix with her.  she's posing on a (us news?) cover this week with a shotgun.

will the image of her sniping animals from a chopper sit well with hilary housewives?

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Re: Palin supports hunting wolves - FROM THE AIR
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2008, 08:54:59 PM »
Palin has a lot of little bastards in her life.  Little bastard wolves, little bastard grandchildren.

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Re: Palin supports hunting wolves - FROM THE AIR
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2008, 09:00:00 PM »
very odd mix with her.  she's posing on a (us news?) cover this week with a shotgun.

will the image of her sniping animals from a chopper sit well with hilary housewives?

Would the image of her with a shotgun sit well with hilary housewives?

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Re: Palin supports hunting wolves - FROM THE AIR
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2008, 03:07:43 AM »

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Re: Palin supports hunting wolves - FROM THE AIR
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2008, 03:17:45 AM »
If that's true then I hope that Obama wins.

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Re: Palin supports hunting wolves - FROM THE AIR
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2008, 03:36:17 AM »
Where did you here this?

CNN detailed her animal population control plan.  Turns out many are wounded and just limp around til they bleed out.

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Re: Palin supports hunting wolves - FROM THE AIR
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2008, 05:29:14 AM »
  I'm all for hunting, but do it the realy way--out in the elements and not in the comfort of a car or helicopter.

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Re: Palin supports hunting wolves - FROM THE AIR
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2008, 05:47:46 AM »
She also pays residents $150 for each kill they make.

Google it.  It's very real, and very odd.  It was a major problem for sportsmen as far away as Maine earlier this year when she put the 'aerial bounty' on them.

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Re: Palin supports hunting wolves - FROM THE AIR
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2008, 05:54:52 AM »
It’s legal in Alaska. According to the CNN report, the wolves are eating up too much moose and caribou. Since so many Alaskans hunt and eat wild game for survival, the decision was made to start picking off wolves.

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Re: Palin supports hunting wolves - FROM THE AIR
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2008, 07:01:25 AM »
Which is a non-issue......who cares.
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Re: Palin supports hunting wolves - FROM THE AIR
« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2008, 07:09:08 AM »
Which is a non-issue......who cares.

you've said your dog is worth more than the entire population of afghanistan :)

So I thought you'd put wolves as pretty damn valuable.

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Re: Palin supports hunting wolves - FROM THE AIR
« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2008, 07:11:03 AM »
They are but attacking Pallin for this is ridiculous. I would feel horrible if one American wolf suffered but I do my part and donate to the wild life relief fund. I would prefer to relocate them.
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Re: Palin supports hunting wolves - FROM THE AIR
« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2008, 10:47:36 AM »
That girl! >:(

Her deadly wolf program
With a disdain for science that alarms wildlife experts, Sarah Palin continues to promote Alaska's policy to gun down wolves from planes.
By Mark Benjamin

Sep. 08, 2008 | Wildlife activists thought they had seen the worst in 2003 when Frank Murkowski, then the Republican governor of Alaska, signed a bill ramping up state programs to gun down wild wolves from airplanes, inviting average citizens to participate. Wolves, Murkowski believed, were clearly better than humans at killing elk and moose, and humans needed to even the playing field.

But that was before Sarah Palin took Murkowski's job at the end of 2006. She went one step, or paw, further. Palin didn't think Alaskans should be allowed to chase wolves from aircraft and shoot them -- they should be encouraged to do so. Palin's administration put a bounty on wolves' heads, or to be more precise, on their mitts.

In early 2007, Palin's administration approved an initiative to pay a $150 bounty to hunters who killed a wolf from an airplane in certain areas, hacked off the left foreleg, and brought in the appendage. Ruling that the Palin administration didn't have the authority to offer payments, a state judge quickly put a halt to them but not to the shooting of wolves from aircraft.

Detractors consider the airborne shootings a savage business, conducted under the euphemism "predator control." The airplanes appear in the winter, so the wolves show up like targets in a video game, sprinting across the white canvas below. Critics believe the practice violates the ethics of hunting, while supporters say the process is not hunting at all, but a deliberate cull.

Palin has argued that she is worried about Alaska's hunters, locked in perennial competition with the canine carnivores for the state's prodigious ungulate population. A hunter herself, Palin has battled critics of aerial wolf hunting with the support of the Alaska Outdoor Council, a powerhouse advocacy and lobbying organization for hunting, fishing and recreation groups. In addition to so-called urban hunters, who shoot moose mostly for fun, Alaska is home to a significant number of subsistence hunters, including some of the Native population. Subsistence hunters rely on an occasional moose to make ends meet. The wolves, Palin has said, are stealing food from their tables.

"Palin acts like she has never met an animal she didn't want shot," says Priscilla Feral, president of Friends of Animals, based in Connecticut.

The controversy over Palin's promotion of predator control goes beyond animal rights activists recoiling at the thought of picking off wolves from airplanes. A raft of scientists has argued that Palin has provided little evidence that the current program of systematically killing wolves, estimated at a population of 7,000 to 11,000, will result in more moose for hunters. State estimates of moose populations have come under scrutiny. Some wildlife biologists say predator control advocates don't even understand what wolves eat.

State officials stand by their scientific findings on predator control. "Several times over the past several years, our science has been challenged in court," says Bruce Bartley, a spokesman for the Alaska Department of Fish and Game. "In every instance it has prevailed."

Yet it is not hard to find Alaskans who say Palin's enthusiasm for predator control fits a broader narrative of how she edits science to suit her personal views. She endorses the teaching of creationism in public schools and has questioned whether humans are responsible for global warming.

In 2007, she approved $400,000 to educate the public about the ecological success of shooting wolves and bears from the air. Some of the money went to create a pamphlet distributed in local newspapers, three weeks before the public was to vote on an initiative that would have curtailed aerial killing of wolves by private citizens. "The timing of the state's propaganda on wolf control was terrible," wrote the Anchorage Daily News on its editorial page.

"Across the board, Sarah Palin puts on a masquerade, claiming she is using sound management and science," says Nick Jans, an Alaskan writer who co-sponsored the initiative. "In reality she uses ideology and ignores science when it is in her way." The initiative was defeated last month.

Gordon Haber is a wildlife scientist who has studied wolves in Alaska for 43 years. "On wildlife-related issues, whether it is polar bears or predator controls, she has shown no inclination to be objective," he says of Palin. "I cannot find credible scientific data to support their arguments," he adds about the state's rationale for gunning down wolves. "In most cases, there is evidence to the contrary."

Last year, 172 scientists signed a letter to Palin, expressing concern about the lack of science behind the state's wolf-killing operation. According to the scientists, state officials set population objectives for moose and caribou based on "unattainable, unsustainable historically high populations." As a result, the "inadequately designed predator control programs" threatened the long-term health of both the ungulate and wolf populations. The scientists concluded with a plea to Palin to consider the conservation of wolves and bears "on an equal basis with the goal of producing more ungulates for hunters."

Apparently Palin wasn't fazed. Earlier this year she introduced state legislation that would further divorce the predator-control program from science. The legislation would transfer authority over the program from the state Department of Fish and Game to Alaska's Board of Game, whose members are appointed by, well, Palin. Even some hunters were astounded by her power play.

The legislation would give Palin's board "more leeway without any scientific input to do whatever the hell they basically wanted," Mark Richards, co-chair of Alaska Backcountry Hunters and Anglers, wrote in an e-mail. The legislation is currently stalled in the Alaska state Senate.

Predator control in Alaska dates back to the 1920s and 1930s. Even then, wildlife biologists insisted that wolves were important to the area's natural ecology and not responsible for inordinate deaths of sheep, caribou or moose. Yet the scientists fought a losing battle against ranchers, hunters and government officials, who backed the extermination of tens of thousands of wolves. Aerial hunting began in earnest in the 1940s and continued through the 1960s after Alaska had earned statehood.

But starting in 2003, Murkowski opened the airborne shooting to citizens with special permits and expanded predator-control programs to cover 60,000 square miles of state and federal land, the largest wolf-killing operation since Alaska became a state. The stated goal is to reduce wolf populations in some areas by 60 to 80 percent. Teams of pilots and gunners have killed at least 795 wolves since 2003. Conservationists counter that the total number of wolves trapped, shot from airplanes, chased down by snow machines, and killed legally and illegally in Alaska every year is more along the lines of 2,000.

Scientists insist that the Palin administration is systematically killing wolves with an inadequate understanding of the relationship between the carnivore and hoofed animals. The state responds that predators kill over 80 percent of the moose and caribou that die each year, while hunters and trappers kill less than 10 percent.

Haber says the state's numbers are wildly inflated. His decades of wolf research have shown that wolves are, in fact, mostly scavengers. "Sixty to 70 percent of the moose they eat are scavenged, not killed," he says. He adds that the state's wolf population estimates, based on secondhand observations and extrapolations, are also high.

Palin offered the $150 bounty for wolf paws in 2007 after efforts to kill wolves from airplanes that season were, in her view, coming up short. State officials had hoped that 382 to 664 wolves would be killed during that predator-control season. State officials were disappointed when only 115 wolves were killed from the air.

Palin thought the $150 cash bounties would do the trick. Haber has another explanation for the dry spell. "I can tell you from my own research that the reason they didn't get many wolves in certain years, particularly last winter, is because they have scraped those areas clean," he says.

Last year, Rep. George Miller, D-Calif., introduced legislation designed to curtail predator-control programs, except as a last resort. "It's time to ground Alaska's illegal and inhumane air assault on wolves," Miller said. Palin quickly fired off a curt letter in response, applauding the state's programs as "widely recognized for their excellence and effectiveness." She pointed out that her state has "managed its wildlife so that we still maintain abundant populations of all of our indigenous predators almost fifty years after statehood."

Says Jans, co-sponsor of the losing initiative to outlaw aerial wolf hunting: "This is a reflection of a somebody who doesn't have any use for science."


-- By Mark Benjamin

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Re: Palin supports hunting wolves - FROM THE AIR
« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2008, 04:39:35 PM »
WTF, mate?

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Sarah Palin and the Environment

Governor Sarah Palin has an extreme anti-conservation record on issues ranging from global warming, energy and drilling to wildlife and habitat protection.
Aerial hunting of wolves and bears

Governor Palin is an active promoter of Alaska's aerial hunting program whereby wolves and bears are shot from the air or chased by airplanes to the point of exhaustion before the pilot lands the plane and a gunner shoots the animals point blank.

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      Palin offered a $150 bounty for wolves to entice hunters to kill more wolves in certain parts of the state, with hunters having to present a wolf's foreleg to collect the bounty.
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      She actively opposed a ballot measure campaign seeking to end the aerial hunting of wolves by private hunters and approved a $400,000 state-funded campaign aimed at swaying people's votes on the issue.
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      She also introduced legislation to make it easier to kill wolves and bears and which would have also removed the aerial hunting initiative from the ballot and block the ability of citizens to vote on the issue.
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      The Board of Game, which she appoints, has approved the killing of black bear sows with cubs as part of the program and expanded the aerial control programs.
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      The media is currently looking into reports that state officials implementing one of the aerial wolf killing programs illegally killed five-week old wolf pups just outside their dens.

Global Warming

As recently as August 2008, Governor Palin questioned whether man-made fossil fuel emissions are responsible for global warming, defying worldwide scientific consensus (Newsmax 8/29/08).  And her drill-drill-drill approach to energy issues will do nothing to ease the causes of global warming, promote the use of clean, renewable energy sources, or break our addiction to foreign oil.

Endangered Species

Palin has repeatedly opposed the listing of endangered animals under the Endangered Species List despite overwhelming scientific evidence that such listings are warranted.

    Polar Bear

    The U.S. Geological Survey predicts that loss of summer sea ice - crucial habitat for polar bears - could lead to the demise of two-thirds of the world's polar bears by mid-century, including all of Alaska's polar bears. The Bush administration has proposed listing the polar bears as threatened under the ESA to help protect polar bear habitat from threats such as oil and gas development.

    Governor Palin has actively opposed the listing of the polar bear despite the fact that Alaska's top marine mammal biologists agreed with the federal scientists who believed the bear should be listed. She wrote the Secretary of Interior urging him not to list the bear on the ground it might hurt the state's oil- and gas-dependent economy. After the bear was listed, she recently filed suit seeking to overturn the listing of polar bears.
 
  Beluga Whales

    Alaska's Cook Inlet beluga whales are a unique group of white whales whose numbers have dramatically declined in the past two decades due to pressures ranging from pollution to increased ship traffic. Governor Palin opposes the listing of the Cook Inlet beluga whales, citing the listing as a threat to oil and gas development, despite their genetic uniqueness and the fact that their numbers have decreased from 1,300 in the 1980s to about 350 today.

Drilling

Palin is a strong supporter of drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, a vital wilderness area.  It is home to hundreds of thousands of caribou who use the refuge as a calving ground, more than one million migratory birds, and countless other wildlife. It's the most important onshore denning habitat for female polar bears. Senator McCain himself has repeatedly voted to protect this pristine wilderness area.  Palin is also a supporter of drilling in Bristol Bay and other offshore sites despite the risks to sensitive marine wildlife in the area, including the endangered polar bear and Beluga whale.
Clean Water and Pebble Mine

Governor Palin actively campaigned against a state ballot measure this summer aimed at protecting Alaska's Bristol Bay. The mining industry seeks to develop a gold and copper mine in the area that would pollute the Bay's headwaters and threaten the spawning grounds for the largest remaining wild salmon run. The initiative would have prevented large-scale mining operations from dumping waste materials into salmon watersheds.

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Re: Palin supports hunting wolves - FROM THE AIR
« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2008, 04:41:05 PM »
Whut?!




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Re: Palin supports hunting wolves - FROM THE AIR
« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2008, 04:49:39 PM »
this is great news for palin. her biggest flaw is allowing population control of a dangerous predator.

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Re: Palin supports hunting wolves - FROM THE AIR
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2008, 04:51:48 PM »
They are but attacking Pallin for this is ridiculous. I would feel horrible if one American wolf suffered but I do my part and donate to the wild life relief fund. I would prefer to relocate them.

I don't see this as an attack... This is her stance on Wolf population.

Some people may disagree with that stance.

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Re: Palin supports hunting wolves - FROM THE AIR
« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2008, 04:53:02 PM »
this is great news for palin. her biggest flaw is allowing population control of a dangerous predator.
Oh man...........I hope she gets in, think of the "dangerous predator" we could hunt..... ;D
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