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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #675 on: December 01, 2008, 06:52:38 PM »
yeah, everyone quick! look at all the detail!

 ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Again do other have more detail in this shot? sure , does anyone 262 pounds of unmatched density & dryness ?  ;) does anyone have the balance & proportion or the technical excellence in this pose? NO

Dorian easily beats anyone in this pose Ronnie included


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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #676 on: December 01, 2008, 06:58:07 PM »
All rounds are physique rounds , meaning all aspects of the judging criteria is assessed as a whole in every single pose , Dorian clearly has the advantage in muscular bulk easily out-muscling both Shawn & Kevin , Dorian is harder & drier than both , Dorian has better balance & proportion than both

Shawn & Kevin have some advantages in this poses but when all things are considered Dorian is easily besting the two

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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #677 on: December 01, 2008, 07:09:19 PM »
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Dorian easily beats anyone in this pose Ronnie included

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think again:
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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #678 on: December 01, 2008, 07:14:52 PM »
::)

think again:

I don't have to  ;) and I'll pic the pictures where Dorian blows soft Ronnie out of the water . ALL VASTLY better

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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #679 on: December 01, 2008, 07:21:39 PM »
ronnie 99 crushes dorian's best ever 93 shape lat spread

makes dorian look like an ice rink..
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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #680 on: December 01, 2008, 07:46:32 PM »
hey Mr 1duhful, you do realize that Momo beat dorian in 1990

now, by your own fucked logic, momo would alway have beaten Yates no matter what dorian offered later on..

 ::)

Rather than quickly typing another illogical rebuttal, perhaps you should actually read and consider the points being offered.  I have posted the video from Dorian's 1995 routine multiple times, where he was far and away the best bodybuilder, no question.  Instead of acknowledging his excellent form, even if only in that contest, you proceed to knock Dorian incessantly.  As I asked before, if you consider his 1995 form, which many consider to be arguably his best, to be an abomination, how lowly then was Ronnie? He didn't even register as a footnote in the very same show?  It is you who makes remarks  slamming Yates at every turn, meanwhile holding Ronnie up high from the very same 1995 contest.  Thus, the issue as to whether Ronnie was in his prime by that point is taken out of the equation.  Ironically,  you have previously indicated the unfairness of such a comparison, being that Ronnie wasn't at his peak, the inference being that Ronnie was inferior.  But when it suits you, you do an about face and suggest Ronnie was in fact better, even in 1995.  Such tactics indicate a significant lack of credibility and objectivity on your part.  Forget about all the photos. Watch the two 1995 clips and I dare you to honestly suggest that Dorian wasn't far superior, at least on that day.

My suggestion of 1995 Dorian being superior to any year of Ronnie is not based on contest history alone, but also on the specific comparative merits of each physique.  Their is a certain subjective component, yes.  But my belief is that Dorian is superior, nonetheless.

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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #681 on: December 01, 2008, 07:51:04 PM »
how many threads do you homosexuals need?

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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #682 on: December 01, 2008, 08:22:59 PM »
yeah, zero.

he went from placing dead last at the olympia to winning 8 MR. O's, an AC title (something dorian was never good enough to do) and more pro wins than anyone alive, including your waiter hero.

yup, it didn't mean much..

ha ha ha, ND makes no sense. I guess you have to be retarded to understand him.

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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #683 on: December 01, 2008, 09:00:36 PM »
 Lol, none of those quotes are from I.F.B.B judges,so none of them matter. What we do know for a fact is that Dorian won the 1995 Oympia with straight-firts scores from all judges in both rounds, defeating a Kevin in the best shape of his career. Compare this to Ronnie at the 1999 Olympia who only won one round with straight-firsts scores and not unaniously against an out-of-shape Wheeler. I own you, Semen Boy, and you can't go tit for that against me at an intellectual discussion on any topic whatsoever, not even on a bodybuilding ones. ;)

  Yo mean quotes from "Earl", the guy who recently had the honor of having a thread about how gay he is started where dozens of people made fun of his love for Levrone? Gve me a break. And as for me stating the opposite of what I've stated in the past on some subjects, that's called changing my mind. I don't need to have nowadays all of the same opinions I did years ago. And it goes to show how much I own your mind and how much I have traumatized you with my superior intellect that you save each and every quote where someone says something nasty about me because it makes you feel so god on the inside. I don't save quotes from other people about you because, franky, I don't care about you. You my friend, are insignificant in the bigger sheme of things. You saving quotes about me constituts a brutal self-ownage. ;) Well, at least you have the consolation that I can't claim credit for this particular owning of you as the credit is all yours. ;)

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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #684 on: December 01, 2008, 09:33:22 PM »
ronnie 99 crushes dorian's best ever 93 shape lat spread

makes dorian look like an ice rink..


Such an assertion is ridiculous.  In your deluded mind, perhaps this is so, but according to bodybuilding guidelines or common sense, it is far from the case.  Putting the differences in lighting, etc of the comparison photos aside, I will offer you this.  As it is called a "lat spread" one of the most noteable advantages Dorian has is in the massive width and thickness in his lats in the pose.  This is very clear.  Secondly, Dorian has better tie-ins between his chest and delts.  In this area, Ronnie has tie-ins that are somewhat shallow.  Dorian's delts themselves are more developed and capped. The much thicker lats and better developed delts in particular make this a much more prominant pose for Yates. The Shadow's chest is much fuller.  Ronnie's chest, although striated, is very shallow (in this pose).  Abs are a somewhat minor point.  Ronnie is in good condition, but has a short strange ab chain, so I'll give the nod to Yates.  In this pose, I'll give Yates the nod for arms, as the forearms are the most prominant part of the shot and Dorian is better in that area. The other parts of the arms don't really get featured to any large degree. Calves are not even a question, as Dorian is renowned for his, Ronnie not so much.  THE ONLY area that I will concede to Ronnie in this pose, is quads.  Ronnie's show a more pleasing shape and have better separation.  You may endeavor to debate conditioning, but Yates was unquestionably conditioned in that contest.  If you choose to dismiss his photos, watch the video.  The man was in shape and very dry.  To be fair, I'll consider conditioning a wash, as each man displays his own unique look of conditioning.  This is a pose in which there is no dispute.  Dorian clearly wins. He actually makes Ronnie look thin and underdeveloped, in comparison. Dorian's overall balance and density sets him apart. Class Dismissed.  Consider yourself owned once again.

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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #685 on: December 01, 2008, 10:08:10 PM »
When Sir NeoSeminole gets owned, he remains very silent. That's a pattern for him.

did I say you can speak?


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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #686 on: December 02, 2008, 01:26:47 AM »
ha ha ha, ND makes no sense. I guess you have to be retarded to understand him.

I make no sense to the senseless  ;)

this coming from the guy who claims Ronnie is better conditioned than Yates in 2003 LMFAO and Ronnie carries more muscular bulk in 2001 than Dorian in 1993/1995 LMFAO despite being lighter


you don't know competitive bodybuilding , I've been teaching you and you've been resisting because you know I'm right and it kills you to be corrected by someone who is more intelligent on the topic

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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #687 on: December 02, 2008, 01:29:50 AM »
I make no sense to the senseless  ;)

this coming from the guy who claims Ronnie is better conditioned than Yates in 2003 LMFAO and Ronnie carries more muscular bulk in 2001 than Dorian in 1993/1995 LMFAO despite being lighter


you don't know competitive bodybuilding , I've been teaching you and you've been resisting because you know I'm right and it kills you to be corrected by someone who is more intelligent on the topic
lol ND killing the tiny tits with logic!

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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #688 on: December 02, 2008, 01:52:47 AM »
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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #689 on: December 02, 2008, 01:56:14 AM »
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Great pic. Shows how far ahead Dorian was.

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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #690 on: December 02, 2008, 03:02:45 AM »
This Guy blows them both at their best..   :o
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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #691 on: December 02, 2008, 03:04:01 AM »
Funny how smooth Yates looks.

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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #692 on: December 02, 2008, 03:39:47 AM »
Funny how smooth Yates looks.

no shit

and the idiot guy will probably ignore it as usual.,. ::)
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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #693 on: December 02, 2008, 07:37:14 AM »
I make no sense to the senseless

this coming from the guy who claims Ronnie is better conditioned than Yates in 2003 LMFAO and Ronnie carries more muscular bulk in 2001 than Dorian in 1993/1995 LMFAO despite being lighter

you don't know competitive bodybuilding , I've been teaching you and you've been resisting because you know I'm right and it kills you to be corrected by someone who is more intelligent on the topic

show me where I said Ronnie in 03 was better conditioned than Dorian. Oh wait, you can't. ;) And I already admitted I was wrong about 01 Ronnie carrying more bulk than 93 Dorian a long time ago. I said they were most likely the same size. All you know how to do is lie to fool gullible readers into believing you are right.

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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #694 on: December 02, 2008, 10:15:18 AM »

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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #695 on: December 02, 2008, 11:35:21 AM »
how many threads do you homosexuals need?
Not as many as you would need when you're licking your tops balls............

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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #696 on: December 02, 2008, 11:55:36 AM »
show me where I said Ronnie in 03 was better conditioned than Dorian. Oh wait, you can't. ;) And I already admitted I was wrong about 01 Ronnie carrying more bulk than 93 Dorian a long time ago. I said they were most likely the same size. All you know how to do is lie to fool gullible readers into believing you are right.

LMFAO the same size you amended your statement from a 247 pound Ronnie isn't carrying more muscular bulk compared to a 257 pound Dorian to they are most likely the same size , you're a retard only in your fantasy comparisons is Ronnie making Dorian look small

you claimed on many occasions Ronnie 2003 had better conditioning , and you know it period. you went so far as to dismiss this claim from McGough saying an MD would tell us that Ronnie was better conditioned lol

While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.

On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.




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All you know how to do is lie to fool gullible readers into believing you are right.

Ha ha ha epic projection , this coming from the guy who manipulated quotes and omitted parts to make it appear Dorian wasn't in the running, you didn't dare respond to this in the other post because you were exposed and you I bust you , you don't even respond out of humiliation .

this is your original post

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Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004

"As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable."

now you being the lying weasel you are you omitted a fact for a reason and that reason is deception  ;)

here is the  untouched quote


Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004

As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable. Except by Dorian Yates 6 weeks out from the '93 O as photographed by our own KMH. Both men, on those specific occasions carried so much dry muscle mass in good proportion and with good lines that it's almost unfair to compare them to others.

Opppsssss Neo the liar is BUSTED  ;)

example two of your outright deception , your quote

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Dorian Yates – PBW Radio Interview

"The judges would probably choose Ronnie [over me]."


The part of the quote YOU specifically left out right after


I guess , I don't know


Uh Oh Neo exposed as the liar he is yet again lol



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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #697 on: December 02, 2008, 12:20:15 PM »
did I say you can speak?


  Run, SemenHole, run. Put your tail between your legs and run... ;)

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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #698 on: December 02, 2008, 12:37:13 PM »
  Run, SemenHole, run. Put your tail between your legs and run... ;)

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He manipulates quotes , his partner posted dozens & dozens of photshopped pics for months and months lol they're melting down on every thread

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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #699 on: December 02, 2008, 12:40:41 PM »
He manipulates quotes , his partner posted dozens & dozens of photshopped pics for months and months lol they're melting down on every thread

  SemenHole is the modern Gallileo who proved that Ronnie being better than Dorian is as certain as the Earth being round, and we are the heathens that disagree with him! :D

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