Yeah i hear ya bud, i competed in Local shows back between 1993-97 and did o.k, i still go hard down the gym and have followed BB since 1988...the standards sure have changed alot, i recall all the boyz down the GYM going on about LEE HANEY and how "bad" his biceps were and that he could never have beaten Arnold etc...Then Dorian came along witch i did-not think at the time he was a improvment on the level Lee Haney had set, til he showed up on STAGE @ the 1993 show ...i couldn,t beleave my eyes...the Bloke was INCREADIBLE... that year and 1995, then came Ronnie who like Dorian had done in 1993 was out of this world @ the 1998 show, ive never seen Ronnie in person, but when i saw the 1998 MR OLYMPIA on VHS...the jaw dropped again guy looked like someone from out of space...Now here we are in 2008....don,t know what you think bud (and the other getbig blokes) but i don,t see any advance or "improvements" @ all in Jay Cutler...no disrespect intended, he comes across as a top bloke, very approchible, well presented etc...just don,t see how he is a advance in the standards that LEE, DORIAN, and RONNIE have laid down.