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Behold 240
« on: September 15, 2008, 07:44:55 AM »
behold 9/11, which certainly could have been prevented

behold Osama Bin Laden’s escape and continued freedom seven years later

behold the manipulation of intelligence and no weapons of mass destruction

behold the Coalition Provisional Authority--which ‘misplaced’ $8 billion in US cash under Paul Bremmer

behold the war in Iraq and its failed management (Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz); see “Fiasco: The American Military Adventure in Iraq, 2003 to 2005” by Thomas E. Ricks

behold Wolfowitz’s dismissal from the World Bank

behold the federal response to Katrina and the impacted Gulf states.  “Brownie, you’re doing a heck of a job!”

behold the venal dealings on K street, the conviction of Abramoff & Co.

behold ballooning gas prices and the result: pain at the pump, US air carriers on the brink,

behold the searing memoirs from Richard Clark, Paul O’Neil, Scott McClellan, etc.

behold the attack on former Ambassador Joe Wilson and the result: the outing of Valerie Plame Wilson and indictment of Scooter Libby.

behold the mockery of Harriet Miers being nominated to the Supreme Court and her subsequent withdrawal.

behold the politicization of the Justice Department (Monica Gooding, & Co.)

behold the injudiciousness of Alberto Gonzalez (who tried to coerce John Ashcroft—from his hospital bed--to sign off on his machinations)

behold the absentee regulators who permitted the housing bubble, its implosion and the result: the credit crisis, the collapse of the US housing market, Countrywide, Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, and Merrill Lynch.

behold the explosion of US indebtedness to foreign countries

Didn’t you vote for the Bush administration—twice?  The second time after you knew there were no WMDs?  Bah!  Behold your folly and all it has wrought.

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Re: Behold 240
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2008, 07:46:25 AM »
I voted Bush twice. 

I am some kinda asshole.

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Re: Behold 240
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2008, 07:48:43 AM »
All hail Lord Doom!

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Re: Behold 240
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2008, 08:10:02 AM »
I voted Bush twice. 

I am some kinda asshole.
dickhead, it's all your fault >:( lol

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Re: Behold 240
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2008, 08:27:57 AM »
behold 9/11, which certainly could have been prevented

behold Osama Bin Laden’s escape and continued freedom seven years later


If you are going to blame this on Bush after only being in office for 9 months, then I can blame the recent collapse of investment banks and lagging economy on the Democrats who have had control of the House and Senate for over a year now.

Get it right skippy. Terrorists declared war on us during the Clinton administration and there were several attacks during that time (first World Trade Center attack, Khobar Towers, Cole, etc.) Clinton was offered Bin Laden, but did not see him as a threat. All this was proven. Yet, you seem to give the Clinton administration a pass on this. Why? Maybe you will say something stupid like the Khobar Towers and Cole were not on US soil. So what? It was evident that they were going after any American target. If Clinton is as smart as you believe him to be, he should have figured out that it would only be a matter of time before they attempted another attack on US soil. Why wasn't he more active in preventing such an attack? Where was his urgency to go after Al-Qaeda? So, lets go after Bush for trying to do something, but lets give a pass to the lying scum who is too busy getting a blowjob in the oval office.

Every other thing you have listed is mere opinion and half truths. I would have to spend about 4 pages making you look silly. But, I will spare you that since your foolishness makes me feel sorry for you.

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Re: Behold 240
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2008, 08:52:52 AM »
If you are going to blame this on Bush after only being in office for 9 months, then I can blame the recent collapse of investment banks and lagging economy on the Democrats who have had control of the House and Senate for over a year now.

Get it right skippy. Terrorists declared war on us during the Clinton administration and there were several attacks during that time (first World Trade Center attack, Khobar Towers, Cole, etc.) Clinton was offered Bin Laden, but did not see him as a threat. All this was proven. Yet, you seem to give the Clinton administration a pass on this. Why? Maybe you will say something stupid like the Khobar Towers and Cole were not on US soil. So what? It was evident that they were going after any American target. If Clinton is as smart as you believe him to be, he should have figured out that it would only be a matter of time before they attempted another attack on US soil. Why wasn't he more active in preventing such an attack? Where was his urgency to go after Al-Qaeda? So, lets go after Bush for trying to do something, but lets give a pass to the lying scum who is too busy getting a blowjob in the oval office.

Every other thing you have listed is mere opinion and half truths. I would have to spend about 4 pages making you look silly. But, I will spare you that since your foolishness makes me feel sorry for you.
Clinton did not see Bin Laden as a threat?  More rightwing myths.  "In fact, OBL was offered 3 times to Bill Clinton and he turned 'em down!"  That's compelling storytelling but it's not true.  Bush's own hand-picked 9/11 Commission debunked that myth.  AndClinton spent a fortune on anti-terrorist measures.

It was the non-leadership of the Bush administration on the topic of terrorism that left this country very vulnerable.  Aside from the warnings from the outgoing Clinton administration, the FBI and CIA, Bush did not make terrorism a priority.  Privatizing Soc Sec was a priority as was cutting taxes.

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Re: Behold 240
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2008, 09:16:42 AM »
Clinton did not see Bin Laden as a threat?  More rightwing myths.  "In fact, OBL was offered 3 times to Bill Clinton and he turned 'em down!"  That's compelling storytelling but it's not true.  Bush's own hand-picked 9/11 Commission debunked that myth.  AndClinton spent a fortune on anti-terrorist measures.

It was the non-leadership of the Bush administration on the topic of terrorism that left this country very vulnerable.  Aside from the warnings from the outgoing Clinton administration, the FBI and CIA, Bush did not make terrorism a priority.  Privatizing Soc Sec was a priority as was cutting taxes.

Exactly.  As Richard Clarke noted in interviews and in print, he tried for nine months to warn Condi and company about the dangers of OBL and he was routinely ignored, discounted, or dismissed.  Terrorism simply was not on their list of priorities and they didn't want to hear anything about it.  The result was 9/11.  Remember that memo given to Condi many months before entitled "Bin Laden determined to Strike in the United States"?  She was asleep at the switch.  :'(

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Re: Behold 240
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2008, 09:45:31 AM »
  AndClinton spent a fortune on anti-terrorist measures.



How so??

Didn't work out so well, huh.

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Re: Behold 240
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2008, 10:07:59 AM »
anyone still defending the bush administration is an idiot, period. worst president ever, worst administration for the nation and the world, over a broad variety of areas.

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Re: Behold 240
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2008, 10:30:51 AM »
Yeah....don't judge until its been 30 years. Bush has done more to kick the shit out of the terror nutbags then anybody. They fear him and they fear McCain./ Nobody is afraid of Barrack H. Obama
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Re: Behold 240
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2008, 10:33:35 AM »
Yeah....don't judge until its been 30 years. Bush has done more to kick the shit out of the terror nutbags then anybody. They fear him and they fear McCain./ Nobody is afraid of Barrack H. Obama

i say the same thing  about the surge... you can't say it was a success when we still have 300k men in there holding the palce together.

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Re: Behold 240
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2008, 10:40:32 AM »
Yeah....don't judge until its been 30 years. Bush has done more to kick the shit out of the terror nutbags then anybody. They fear him and they fear McCain./ Nobody is afraid of Barrack H. Obama
  WRONG

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Re: Behold 240
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2008, 11:32:57 AM »


How so??

Didn't work out so well, huh.


It didn't work out as well as it could have but I understand your dumbfounded statements b/c Clinton actually was a leader on the matter of terrorism.  That's something just cannot be said about Bush the Lesser.

Here's the list:

    Roger Cressy, National Security Council senior director for counterterrorism in the period 1999-2001, responded to these allegations in an article for the Washington Times in 2003. "Mr. Clinton approved every request made of him by the CIA and the U.S. military involving using force against bin Laden and al-Qaeda," wrote Cressy. "As President Bush well knows, bin Laden was and remains very good at staying hidden. The current administration faces many of the same challenges. Confusing the American people with misinformation and distortions will not generate the support we need to come together as a nation and defeat our terrorist enemies."

    Measures taken by the Clinton administration to thwart international terrorism and bin Laden's network were historic, unprecedented and, sadly, not followed up on. Consider the steps offered by Clinton's 1996 omnibus anti-terror legislation, the pricetag for which stood at $1.097 billion. The following is a partial list of the initiatives offered by the Clinton anti-terrorism bill:

Screen Checked Baggage: $91.1 million

Screen Carry-On Baggage: $37.8 million

Passenger Profiling: $10 million

Screener Training: $5.3 million


Screen Passengers (portals) and Document Scanners: $1 million

Deploying Existing Technology to Inspect International Air Cargo: $31.4
million

Provide Additional Air/Counterterrorism Security: $26.6 million

Explosives Detection Training: $1.8 million

Augment FAA Security Research: $20 million

Customs Service: Explosives and Radiation Detection Equipment at Ports: $2.2 million

Anti-Terrorism Assistance to Foreign Governments: $2 million

Capacity to Collect and Assemble Explosives Data: $2.1 million

Improve Domestic Intelligence: $38.9 million

Critical Incident Response Teams for Post-Blast Deployment: $7.2 million

Additional Security for Federal Facilities: $6.7 million


Firefighter/Emergency Services Financial Assistance: $2.7 million

Public Building and Museum Security: $7.3 million

Improve Technology to Prevent Nuclear Smuggling: $8 million

Critical Incident Response Facility: $2 million

Counter-Terrorism Fund: $35 million

Explosives Intelligence and Support Systems: $14.2 million

Office of Emergency Preparedness: $5.8 million
    The Clinton administration poured more than a billion dollars into counterterrorism activities across the entire spectrum of the intelligence community, into the protection of critical infrastructure, into massive federal stockpiling of antidotes and vaccines to prepare for a possible bioterror attack, into a reorganization of the intelligence community itself. Within the National Security Council, "threat meetings" were held three times a week to assess looming conspiracies. His National Security Advisor, Sandy Berger, prepared a voluminous dossier on al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden, actively tracking them across the planet. Clinton raised the issue of terrorism in virtually every important speech he gave in the last three years of his tenure.

Source: William Rivers Pitt
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So you see MM, Clinton was not only a superior president to Bush, he was a superior leader as well b/c he recognized the things that mattered to the national interest and not just what his party base was jonesing for---tax cuts and privatizing social security

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Re: Behold 240
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2008, 11:38:49 AM »
Decker,

Not only that, ...but Clinton was able to do all that without alarming or inconveniencing the public.

Bush on the other hand, has massively inconvenienced and frightened the public, ...and failed miserably.
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Re: Behold 240
« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2008, 11:49:41 AM »
Decker,

Not only that, ...but Clinton was able to do all that without alarming or inconveniencing the public.

Bush on the other hand, has massively inconvenienced and frightened the public, ...and failed miserably.
I remember iwhen the Kerry/Democratic convention was accompanied by elevated terror alerts.  Any time a Bush scandal broke--which was quite often--the terror alert would go through the roof.

Again, Bush was no leader, he was/is a disgrace that did nothing for the national interest unless his interests intersected with those of the nation.

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Re: Behold 240
« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2008, 11:57:01 AM »
I remember iwhen the Kerry/Democratic convention was accompanied by elevated terror alerts.  Any time a Bush scandal broke--which was quite often--the terror alert would go through the roof.

Again, Bush was no leader, he was/is a disgrace that did nothing for the national interest unless his interests intersected with those of the nation.



           Bush Admin - False Terror Alerts  pt 1




           Bush Admin - False Terror Alerts  pt 2
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Re: Behold 240
« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2008, 12:06:13 PM »
You know who else uses terror tactics to further their own political agenda?  Terrorists do.

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Re: Behold 240
« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2008, 02:31:05 PM »
Strange that every time the Clinton myths are exposed "crickets" ensues.

what a bunch of nipple whores

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Re: Behold 240
« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2008, 02:58:32 PM »
Clinton did not see Bin Laden as a threat?  More rightwing myths.  "In fact, OBL was offered 3 times to Bill Clinton and he turned 'em down!"  That's compelling storytelling but it's not true.  Bush's own hand-picked 9/11 Commission debunked that myth.  AndClinton spent a fortune on anti-terrorist measures.

It was the non-leadership of the Bush administration on the topic of terrorism that left this country very vulnerable.  Aside from the warnings from the outgoing Clinton administration, the FBI and CIA, Bush did not make terrorism a priority.  Privatizing Soc Sec was a priority as was cutting taxes.

so incorrect i dont know where to start.

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Re: Behold 240
« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2008, 03:01:16 PM »
It didn't work out as well as it could have but I understand your dumbfounded statements b/c Clinton actually was a leader on the matter of terrorism.  That's something just cannot be said about Bush the Lesser.

Here's the list:

    Roger Cressy, National Security Council senior director for counterterrorism in the period 1999-2001, responded to these allegations in an article for the Washington Times in 2003. "Mr. Clinton approved every request made of him by the CIA and the U.S. military involving using force against bin Laden and al-Qaeda," wrote Cressy. "As President Bush well knows, bin Laden was and remains very good at staying hidden. The current administration faces many of the same challenges. Confusing the American people with misinformation and distortions will not generate the support we need to come together as a nation and defeat our terrorist enemies."

    Measures taken by the Clinton administration to thwart international terrorism and bin Laden's network were historic, unprecedented and, sadly, not followed up on. Consider the steps offered by Clinton's 1996 omnibus anti-terror legislation, the pricetag for which stood at $1.097 billion. The following is a partial list of the initiatives offered by the Clinton anti-terrorism bill:

Screen Checked Baggage: $91.1 million

Screen Carry-On Baggage: $37.8 million

Passenger Profiling: $10 million

Screener Training: $5.3 million


Screen Passengers (portals) and Document Scanners: $1 million

Deploying Existing Technology to Inspect International Air Cargo: $31.4
million

Provide Additional Air/Counterterrorism Security: $26.6 million

Explosives Detection Training: $1.8 million

Augment FAA Security Research: $20 million

Customs Service: Explosives and Radiation Detection Equipment at Ports: $2.2 million

Anti-Terrorism Assistance to Foreign Governments: $2 million

Capacity to Collect and Assemble Explosives Data: $2.1 million

Improve Domestic Intelligence: $38.9 million

Critical Incident Response Teams for Post-Blast Deployment: $7.2 million

Additional Security for Federal Facilities: $6.7 million


Firefighter/Emergency Services Financial Assistance: $2.7 million

Public Building and Museum Security: $7.3 million

Improve Technology to Prevent Nuclear Smuggling: $8 million

Critical Incident Response Facility: $2 million

Counter-Terrorism Fund: $35 million

Explosives Intelligence and Support Systems: $14.2 million

Office of Emergency Preparedness: $5.8 million
    The Clinton administration poured more than a billion dollars into counterterrorism activities across the entire spectrum of the intelligence community, into the protection of critical infrastructure, into massive federal stockpiling of antidotes and vaccines to prepare for a possible bioterror attack, into a reorganization of the intelligence community itself. Within the National Security Council, "threat meetings" were held three times a week to assess looming conspiracies. His National Security Advisor, Sandy Berger, prepared a voluminous dossier on al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden, actively tracking them across the planet. Clinton raised the issue of terrorism in virtually every important speech he gave in the last three years of his tenure.

Source: William Rivers Pitt
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


So you see MM, Clinton was not only a superior president to Bush, he was a superior leader as well b/c he recognized the things that mattered to the national interest and not just what his party base was jonesing for---tax cuts and privatizing social security





And yet we still got attacked on 911...we got the Cole...we got Bin Laden saying we're weak. Bush is the only one that ever did anything. Clinton threw money and tomahawks...Bush dropped rangers and Seals on him.
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Re: Behold 240
« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2008, 03:09:11 PM »
It didn't work out as well as it could have but I understand your dumbfounded statements b/c Clinton actually was a leader on the matter of terrorism.  That's something just cannot be said about Bush the Lesser.

Here's the list:

    Roger Cressy, National Security Council senior director for counterterrorism in the period 1999-2001, responded to these allegations in an article for the Washington Times in 2003. "Mr. Clinton approved every request made of him by the CIA and the U.S. military involving using force against bin Laden and al-Qaeda," wrote Cressy. "As President Bush well knows, bin Laden was and remains very good at staying hidden. The current administration faces many of the same challenges. Confusing the American people with misinformation and distortions will not generate the support we need to come together as a nation and defeat our terrorist enemies."

    Measures taken by the Clinton administration to thwart international terrorism and bin Laden's network were historic, unprecedented and, sadly, not followed up on. Consider the steps offered by Clinton's 1996 omnibus anti-terror legislation, the pricetag for which stood at $1.097 billion. The following is a partial list of the initiatives offered by the Clinton anti-terrorism bill:

Screen Checked Baggage: $91.1 million

Screen Carry-On Baggage: $37.8 million

Passenger Profiling: $10 million

Screener Training: $5.3 million


Screen Passengers (portals) and Document Scanners: $1 million

Deploying Existing Technology to Inspect International Air Cargo: $31.4
million

Provide Additional Air/Counterterrorism Security: $26.6 million

Explosives Detection Training: $1.8 million

Augment FAA Security Research: $20 million

Customs Service: Explosives and Radiation Detection Equipment at Ports: $2.2 million

Anti-Terrorism Assistance to Foreign Governments: $2 million

Capacity to Collect and Assemble Explosives Data: $2.1 million

Improve Domestic Intelligence: $38.9 million

Critical Incident Response Teams for Post-Blast Deployment: $7.2 million

Additional Security for Federal Facilities: $6.7 million


Firefighter/Emergency Services Financial Assistance: $2.7 million

Public Building and Museum Security: $7.3 million

Improve Technology to Prevent Nuclear Smuggling: $8 million

Critical Incident Response Facility: $2 million

Counter-Terrorism Fund: $35 million

Explosives Intelligence and Support Systems: $14.2 million

Office of Emergency Preparedness: $5.8 million
    The Clinton administration poured more than a billion dollars into counterterrorism activities across the entire spectrum of the intelligence community, into the protection of critical infrastructure, into massive federal stockpiling of antidotes and vaccines to prepare for a possible bioterror attack, into a reorganization of the intelligence community itself. Within the National Security Council, "threat meetings" were held three times a week to assess looming conspiracies. His National Security Advisor, Sandy Berger, prepared a voluminous dossier on al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden, actively tracking them across the planet. Clinton raised the issue of terrorism in virtually every important speech he gave in the last three years of his tenure.

Source: William Rivers Pitt
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


So you see MM, Clinton was not only a superior president to Bush, he was a superior leader as well b/c he recognized the things that mattered to the national interest and not just what his party base was jonesing for---tax cuts and privatizing social security


first red flag is see is the fact that airport security was always run by private companies. so how did they get federal aid? they didnt. screening of checked baggage didnt start until 2003 after the TSA was created. bill clintons initiatives were just that. most of these didnt actually happen.

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Re: Behold 240
« Reply #21 on: September 15, 2008, 03:10:43 PM »



And yet we still got attacked on 911...we got the Cole...we got Bin Laden saying we're weak. Bush is the only one that ever did anything. Clinton threw money and tomahawks...Bush dropped rangers and Seals on him.

Nope, Bush dropped rangers and seals on Iraq. He let bin laden go in Tora Bora
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Re: Behold 240
« Reply #22 on: September 15, 2008, 03:11:27 PM »
Nope, Bush dropped rangers and seals on Iraq. He let bin laden go in Tora Bora

which had no link to international terroism

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Re: Behold 240
« Reply #23 on: September 15, 2008, 03:12:07 PM »
Don't worry Bro, somebody who knows why more then u and has much more internet experience will of course dispute all that, because googling info is why more real then actually doing the job.  ::)

Jag..I'm not even going to go there. U don't know what ur talking about.
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« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2008, 03:13:00 PM »
which had no link to international terroism

Which was not the point of the invasion, but since its broken the back of AQ, sure great job Mr President.
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