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Need for PCT?
« on: September 18, 2008, 06:44:30 AM »
I am hoping I can get some help from some one, as you have all been a source of so much knowledge and information for me in the past.

I am in my early 50's, 6'-3", 205 lbs, 9 - 11% bodyfat.  Because of my age and my own personal preference for a look of more "cut" than pure size, for the past 18 weeks I have been taking 200 mg of injectible Primobolan once a week along with 20mg of oral Winstrol every day along with 2 IUs of Nutropin (HGH) every day; by most views a very "minor" cycle.  My questions are as follows:

1.  Given that I am on such low doseages, is there any real need for me to come off (I view the small doseages as almost "anti-aging therapy) or could I continue these doseages for a few more weeks/months?

2.  If I do need to come off, is there any real need for any Clomid, etc. given the small doseages involved?  If so, are there alternatives to Clomid that are better and if so, how and at what doseage are they to be used?

Many thanks for any help you may be able to provide.

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Re: Need for PCT?
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2008, 06:59:14 AM »
Keep running the cycle. I would get off of the winny, and add some test. 150-200mg ew should do the trick. If you get off you should run some kind of PCT. 25mg clomid ed for three weeks should work fine.

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Re: Need for PCT?
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2008, 07:03:53 AM »
Many thanks.  Why ditch the winny?  Liver problems?  (I also started taking Liv-52 tabs to try to combat some of the adverse effects.)  What are your thoughts on, perhaps, replacing the winny with anavar tabs?

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Re: Need for PCT?
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2008, 07:32:48 AM »
You should not run tabs longer than six weeks (give or take a few). Liver protection will not fully protect your liver. I think you would feel much better running some plain old test.

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Re: Need for PCT?
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2008, 07:53:38 AM »
Thanks 4thAD!  One last question, and sorry to be such a pain, but there are no "how to's" on this stuff so I value your opinions and experiences greatly:
When you speak of test, are you referring to test propiante, test cypoionate or test enanthate?

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Re: Need for PCT?
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2008, 09:06:56 AM »
Thanks 4thAD!  One last question, and sorry to be such a pain, but there are no "how to's" on this stuff so I value your opinions and experiences greatly:
When you speak of test, are you referring to test propiante, test cypoionate or test enanthate?

That would be solely your decision. I personally favor enanthate as I like the longer estered test, but I frequently will use prop with the enanthate. Prop is a fast acting ester with a half life of roughly 3 days. Cyp and enanthate have half lives of roughly 10 days. With the longer esters you will only need to inject once a week. With prop you will need to inject eod. You will hold less water with prop, but could see more sides like test flu, or gyno. For replacement doses I would personally go with enanthate, or cypionate.

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Re: Need for PCT?
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2008, 12:15:06 PM »
Thanks 4th AD.  In your post to me (Reply #1) you stated to "stay on the cycle" (i.e., 200 mg injectible primobolan per week - it's now been 19 weeks).  Is there a point when I should come off or, simply stated, did you mean that at such a low doseage, there is no harm in staying on for as long as I want or can afford?  Again, thanks.

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Re: Need for PCT?
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2008, 02:32:15 PM »
I would take a break from the primo and winny and just remain on test. Get blood work done to be sure everything is in order, but at 200mg ew of test you should be fine to run as long as you would like.

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Re: Need for PCT?
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2008, 08:27:39 AM »
200mg ew of test you should be fine to run as long as you would like.

ditto.

that is my current TRT dose.  Very safe and effective

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Re: Need for PCT?
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2008, 03:37:52 PM »
i use a blast cruise methos, hit it hard for awhile then will back off to about 200-250 a wk or every 10 days to calm my body down, i dont plan ever coming off for personal reasons
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