Author Topic: Iranian leader says he opposes Israel, not Israelis (Read 3234 times)

Hugo Chavez · « **on:** September 20, 2008, 05:07:49 AM »

This goes in line with his actual translation of the famous words that we were told means he wants to wipe Israel off the map, that actually closer translated to removing zionism from the pages of history...

TEHRAN: The Iranian president, Mohamoud Ahmadinejad, took the unusual step on Thursday of explaining that while he strongly opposed the state of Israel, his hostility did not extend to the Israeli people.

"We have no problem with people and nations," he said. "Of course we do not recognize a government or a nation for the Zionist regime."

Ahmadinejad has long been seen as a threat to Israel, especially since he angered the West and Jews worldwide in 2005 when he repeated a slogan from the early days of the revolution, saying "Israel should be wiped off the map."

But on Thursday, he defended his vice president for tourism, Esfandiar Rahim Mashai, who created a storm of protest among legislators and senior clerics over the summer when he said that Iran was a friend of the Israeli people.

Analysts viewed Ahmadinejad's public support for Mashai's remarks as a sign that Iran might be softening its position amid increasing pressure by the West over its nuclear program.

cont... http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/09/18/africa/19iranFW.php

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #1 on:** May 11, 2009, 12:25:26 AM »

Nordic Superman · « **Reply #2 on:** May 11, 2009, 02:11:29 AM »

All fine and dandy but...

... an islamic state is OK? Why is it acceptable that governments pushing islamism are acceptable but Zionistic regimes aren't? Also take into consideration the Israeli government isn't fully Zionist.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #3 on:** May 11, 2009, 02:16:21 AM »

Quote from: Nordic Superman on May 11, 2009, 02:11:29 AM

All fine and dandy but...

... an islamic state is OK? Why is it acceptable that governments pushing islamism are acceptable but Zionistic regimes aren't? Also take into consideration the Israeli government isn't fully Zionist.

perhaps you completely missed the point of the post or you just wanted to spin it to something you wanted to talk about?

Nordic Superman · « **Reply #4 on:** May 11, 2009, 02:19:39 AM »

What would that point be? The mis-translation?

pillowtalk · « **Reply #5 on:** May 11, 2009, 08:23:22 AM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on September 20, 2008, 05:07:49 AM

This goes in line with his actual translation of the famous words that we were told means he wants to wipe Israel off the map, that actually closer translated to removing zionism from the pages of history...

cont... http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/09/18/africa/19iranFW.php

I said this on Bio-USA months ago, fuck about a year ago.
One of our friends is Iranian (obviously she speaks Farsi) & she told us at the time that what was being printed was a gross-misrepresentation.

& who, pray tell where responsible, for perpetuating, this lie ?

?

Nordic Superman · « **Reply #6 on:** May 11, 2009, 08:37:24 AM »

A gross mis-interpretation?

Why substantiate it with the drivel he spouted at that racism forum sending diplomats walking out on the idiot...

pillowtalk · « **Reply #7 on:** May 11, 2009, 08:53:33 AM »

Quote from: Nordic Superman on May 11, 2009, 08:37:24 AM

A gross mis-interpretation?

Why substantiate it with the drivel he spouted at that racism forum sending diplomats walking out on the idiot...

Can we define "drivel" ??

pillowtalk · « **Reply #8 on:** May 11, 2009, 12:58:37 PM »

BUMP FOR 'NS'

Nordic Superman · « **Reply #9 on:** May 12, 2009, 01:18:08 AM »

To deny the holocaust (an historical fact) at a racism conference is drivel of epic magnitude: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/21/ahmadinejad-geneva-speech-israel

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #10 on:** May 12, 2009, 01:28:26 AM »

I'm 100% sure the holocaust happened, it's just the details of the holocaust that I have an issue with.

Nordic Superman · « **Reply #11 on:** May 12, 2009, 01:38:18 AM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on May 12, 2009, 01:28:26 AM

I'm 100% sure the holocaust happened, it's just the details of the holocaust that I have an issue with.

No not have issues with it would be insane... but the actual event, sorry no matter how convinced you are... IT HAPPENED!

Ahmadinejad DENIES the holocaust. It takes epic idiocy to believe that, especially on the WORLD STAGE... during a UN RACISM conference...

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #12 on:** May 12, 2009, 01:49:55 AM »

Quote from: Nordic Superman on May 12, 2009, 01:38:18 AM

No not have issues with it would be insane... but the actual event, sorry no matter how convinced you are... IT HAPPENED!

Ahmadinejad DENIES the holocaust. It takes epic idiocy to believe that, especially on the WORLD STAGE... during a UN RACISM conference...

Ahmadinejad is a nutcase. My biggest cause around this was to make sure that the truth was being fairly represented. The neocons were trying to push another war. One of the things they were spouting all over the place was this shit about Iran wanting to wipe Israel off the map. I just thought, oh to hell with that, if we're going to go into yet another war and one that could easily lead to a world war I'm not going to let these fuckers lie about things that we have access to and can expose. They better not be embelishing the facts was my beef. We saw what embelishment got us in Iraq. I was not cool with facts being embelished in a new war that could easily lead to a world war, kill countless more Americans and other innocents.

pillowtalk · « **Reply #13 on:** May 12, 2009, 02:37:56 AM »

Quote from: Nordic Superman on May 12, 2009, 01:18:08 AM

To deny the holocaust (an historical fact) at a racism conference is drivel of epic magnitude: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/21/ahmadinejad-geneva-speech-israel

The word is Revisionist but you would like to over look that, as it makes your case stronger.

So, having read all about the conference, you will be aware that the 'UN' passed a resolution (with 'Ahmadinejad' in mind) stating that you - MAY NOT - associate the word 'Zionism' with racism !! there, there is your drivel you cretin.

Lear to speak 'Farsi' & stop watching so much SKY/JOO's !! - TARD.

Nordic Superman · « **Reply #14 on:** May 12, 2009, 02:51:58 AM »

Quote from: pillowtalk on May 12, 2009, 02:37:56 AM

The word is Revisionist but you would like to over look that, as it makes your case stronger.

So, having read all about the conference, you will be aware that the 'UN' passed a resolution (with 'Ahmadinejad' in mind) stating that you - MAY NOT - associate the word 'Zionism' with racism !! there, there is you drivel you cretin.

Lear to speak 'Farsi' & stop watching so muck SKY/JOO's !! - TARD.

Huh? What is your educational background, or more to the point - do you have one?

I never said criticism of Zionism is RACIST, I never said frank debate of the truths concerning the holocaust isn't acceptable.

He denied the holocaust; the event which is a fact.

pillowtalk · « **Reply #15 on:** May 12, 2009, 04:00:35 AM »

Quote from: Nordic Superman on May 12, 2009, 02:51:58 AM

Blah blah - blah blah - blah blah - blah blah - blah blah -

I never said criticism of Zionism is RACIST, I never said frank debate of the truths concerning the holocaust isn't acceptable.

He denied the holocaust; the event which is a fact.

1) No, you failed to point it out (in an attempt to make a stronger case, based on spurious information), so I helped you in that regard.

2) PROOF ??

Nordic Superman · « **Reply #16 on:** May 12, 2009, 04:21:23 AM »

Quote from: pillowtalk on May 12, 2009, 04:00:35 AM

1) No, you failed to point it out (in an attempt to make a stronger case, based on spurious information), so I helped you in that regard.

2) PROOF ??

1) Huh? You think you have a point based on assumption? Seriously... how stupid are you?

2) Proof he denied the holocaust? See: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4527142.stm & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial#Iranian_President_Ahmadinejad

pillowtalk · « **Reply #17 on:** May 12, 2009, 08:49:42 AM »

Quote from: Nordic Superman on May 12, 2009, 04:21:23 AM

1) Huh? You think you have a point based on assumption? Seriously... how stupid are you?

2) Proof he denied the holocaust? See: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4527142.stm & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial#Iranian_President_Ahmadinejad

OH-MY.

You just quoted the 'BBC' the most pro-Israeli/Zionist agenda based news out-let in the 'UK' - we have even had ministers (house of commons) complaining about it, FFS.

Then we have a WIKI link - OM-fucking-G !!
Do you ever step up to the plate ?? I mean, come on, really

Go get some footage of 'Ahmadinejad' saying "I think the Holocaust never happened, not one JOO died" & I will get one of our girl friends (Farsi speaking) to translate.
Tick -tock.........................

pillowtalk · « **Reply #18 on:** May 12, 2009, 08:58:16 AM »

Quote from: Nordic Superman on May 12, 2009, 02:51:58 AM

What is your educational background, or more to the point - do you have one?

PHD in bio-chemistry.

JK !!

Dysfunctional family up-bringing - Guns - Knives - anti-social behavior - pornography - school for maladjusted children - prison time - sociopolitical tendencies - a problem with authority figures - Chess - reading - fucking more than one person at a time - lifting weight - Testosterone (probably not a good idea with my mental condition) - avoiding dullards like you at all costs - avoiding most people at all costs - the list goes on............

pillowtalk · « **Reply #19 on:** May 12, 2009, 09:12:47 AM »

Here is a portion of the text from your guardian link

Ahmadinejad questioned the reality of the Holocaust, accused Israel of genocide and spoke of a wide-ranging Zionist conspiracy, triggering pandemonium and a coordinated walkout by Britain and other EU states.

He spoke in Geneva's Palais des Nations and used language probably not heard there since it was built to house the doomed League of Nations in the dark days of the 1930s. He said Zionists had thoroughly infiltrated western countries. They had "penetrated into the political and economic structure including their legislation, mass media, companies, financial systems, and their security and intelligence agencies ... to the extent that nothing can be done against their will", he told delegates from around the world.

1) He was speaking 'Farsi' - a lot get's lost in translation from French to English (both indo-Germanic) - never mind 'Farsi'
I question the reality of the Holocaust !! & that is English - but did I say "it never happened, not one JOO died" ?? - NO.
Oh, & he is right about the Zionist conspiracy, end of that argument.

2) He is 100% on-the-fucking-money (scuse the pun) - your argument is getting alittle loose at the seems, but Emily still loved him

Nordic Superman · « **Reply #20 on:** May 13, 2009, 01:36:58 AM »

Quote from: pillowtalk on May 12, 2009, 08:49:42 AM

OH-MY.

You just quoted the 'BBC' the most pro-Israeli/Zionist agenda based news out-let in the 'UK' - we have even had ministers (house of commons) complaining about it, FFS.

Then we have a WIKI link - OM-fucking-G !!
Do you ever step up to the plate ?? I mean, come on, really

Go get some footage of 'Ahmadinejad' saying "I think the Holocaust never happened, not one JOO died" & I will get one of our girl friends (Farsi speaking) to translate.
Tick -tock.........................

Ha the idiocy of trying to nullify sources... especially when one is a well respected one... BBC!

You might as well tell me I'm confined by your intellectual limitations and tell me exactly what source I'm required to quote?

Oh... and the Wiki link, you see those little reference numbers like so: [17], well those link you to external, independent sources.

Quote from: pillowtalk on May 12, 2009, 09:12:47 AM

Here is a portion of the text from your guardian link

Ahmadinejad questioned the reality of the Holocaust, accused Israel of genocide and spoke of a wide-ranging Zionist conspiracy, triggering pandemonium and a coordinated walkout by Britain and other EU states.

He spoke in Geneva's Palais des Nations and used language probably not heard there since it was built to house the doomed League of Nations in the dark days of the 1930s. He said Zionists had thoroughly infiltrated western countries. They had "penetrated into the political and economic structure including their legislation, mass media, companies, financial systems, and their security and intelligence agencies ... to the extent that nothing can be done against their will", he told delegates from around the world.

1) He was speaking 'Farsi' - a lot get's lost in translation from French to English (both indo-Germanic) - never mind 'Farsi'
I question the reality of the Holocaust !! & that is English - but did I say "it never happened, not one JOO died" ?? - NO.
Oh, & he is right about the Zionist conspiracy, end of that argument.

2) He is 100% on-the-fucking-money (scuse the pun) - your argument is getting alittle loose at the seems, but Emily still loved him

Sorry, language translation is very adept and correct translations can be made...

He also held a nice conference: http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/12/11/iran.holocaust/index.html?iref=newssearch

Also:

Quote

Speaking yesterday at a press conference on the sidelines of the OIC summit in Mecca, Ahmadinejad said: "Some European countries insist on saying that during World War II, Hitler burned millions of Jews. And they insist so strongly on this issue that anyone who denies it is condemned and sent to prison.

"Although we don’t believe this claim," the Iranian president continued, "let's suppose what the Europeans say is true....

See: http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1063690.html

Deicide · « **Reply #21 on:** May 13, 2009, 02:28:39 AM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on May 12, 2009, 01:28:26 AM

I'm 100% sure the holocaust happened, it's just the details of the holocaust that I have an issue with.

Which details would those be Hugo?

Nordic Superman · « **Reply #22 on:** May 13, 2009, 04:09:33 AM »

Quote from: Deicide on May 13, 2009, 02:28:39 AM

Which details would those be Hugo?

I think it has to do with the numbers of Jew killed.

pillowtalk · « **Reply #23 on:** May 13, 2009, 04:45:30 AM »

Quote from: Nordic Superman on May 13, 2009, 01:36:58 AM

Ha the idiocy of trying to nullify sources... especially when one is a well respected one... BBC!

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Oh... and the Wiki link, you see those little reference numbers like so: [17], well those link you to external, independent sources.

Sorry, language translation is very adept and correct translations can be made...

He also held a nice conference: http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/12/11/iran.holocaust/index.html?iref=newssearch

Also:

See: http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1063690.html

1) You are a serious cretin (plumbing new depths here) the 'BBC' a good source for unbiased opinion on 'Israel & the Zionist agenda' - honestly, you really are a spastic, you should just fuck off.

2) Placed there by the author of that 'WIKI' page (very independent - wanker

)

3) Depending on who is translating & the agenda they serve, hence our 'Farsi' speaking girl friend who picked up on the miss-translation that the BBC/others were using, back in the "wipe Israel of the map" days - you can change a word or two here & there.
BINGO - you have your political spin on the sound bit (this concept beyond your comprehension is it ??).

Any-more oh warrior God 'Nordic untermenchen' - you need to get on some smart drug or, fuck, dude, do whatever.............

Nordic Superman · « **Reply #24 on:** May 13, 2009, 05:42:30 AM »

Quote from: pillowtalk on May 13, 2009, 04:45:30 AM

1) You are a serious cretin (plumbing new depths here) the 'BBC' a good source for unbiased opinion on 'Israel & the Zionist agenda' - honestly, you really are a spastic, you should just fuck off.

2) Placed there by the author of that 'WIKI' page (very independent - wanker )

3) Depending on who is translating & the agenda they serve, hence our 'Farsi' speaking girl friend who picked up on the miss-translation that the BBC/others were using, back in the "wipe Israel of the map" days - you can change a word or two here & there.
BINGO - you have your political spin on the sound bit (this concept beyond your comprehension is it ??).

Any-more oh warrior God 'Nordic untermenchen' - you need to get on some smart drug or, fuck, dude, do whatever.............

Your ad hominem laden posts along with your strange emphasis on limiting peoples debating space based on your obvious anti-Semitism is really tiresome.

I'm sure you Iranian GF also doesn't have an agenda considering she's friends with a white anti-Semite who's married to a black hating cow urine cocktail drinker