Hidetada Yamagishi - in or out?

[tendonitis]

Whoa, if someone looks really good, he will place well.  I dont care if he is Team Milos or Team Chad or Team Hany or Team Ron.  It is all how they look against the other competitor.  

I have seen competitors look awesome by themselves at the gym a few days out, only when compared with others who looked just as good, decisions are made.

This weekend, I asked why Dave Bourlet didnt win his class in the Open (he won Novice and Overall), and they told me that his upper half (chest and back) looked great, and but legs were less defined than the winner.  I didn't see it that way, but three other people I asked did.

Ron, do you really believe that because most fans don't.

Do you honestly think Dennis Wolf has a legit chance to beat Jay even though Dennis doesn't have an AMI or Muscltech contract?

[Stavios]

But the guy that beat him had better legs, but not the upper body?

Isn't that a tie?


Actually, it was very close...the deciding factor was that the other guy was biger/ more muscle....Dave was in better condition.

Either way...Mad Max kicked ass!!!!

yeah I just saw the pics, awesome physique !

[Milos_Sarcev]

The "best of the best" qualified by placing in the qualifying spots...

With this mindset...I guess we should allow athletes to submit written requests detailing why they believe they are deserving of a invite.

Hide was "denied" the chance to compete as a result of his own actions, not the federations.

With MINDSET that you and everyone else keeps ignoring:

1- Hide WAS THE BEST 202 at last years Mr. Olympia
2- Hide is THE BEST 202 competitor at last 2008 IFBB PRO SHOW - Atlantic City (managing to replicate placing of the 202 winner of the 202 class from the Europa show - Flex Lewis - who won 202 class but placed 8th Overall....)
3- He attempted to enter qualifying shows but was DENIED opportunity...so he IS the only one IFBB competitor who didn't have a FAIR CHANCE to qualify...yet - it is more deserving than anyone else.
4- Hide is GOOD for the sport (same Robin Chang invited him to be special guest at the Weider booth last year at the Olympia...The only one WITHOUT endorsement contract...)
5- Hide is good for ASIAN BODYBUILDING...

6 - Helping Hide is good for YOU - the IFBB athletes representative who should listen what other athletes are saying about Hide as well...EVERY SINGLE ONE of the IFBB pros I talked to (including David H, Shawn, Melvin...etc...etc) feels the same - he should be given a chance BY his Federation and Olympia promoters...He is not asking for Olympia invitation (unless they are willing to give him one? Hmmmmm ) - he is asking for Showdown show invitation...as EVERYONE in the world knows - he would make that show THAT MUCH MORE COMPETITIVE - giving little of the International spice to it...

[Chick]

With MINDSET that you and everyone else keeps ignoring:

1- Hide WAS THE BEST 202 at last years Mr. Olympia
2- Hide is THE BEST 202 competitor at last 2008 IFBB PRO SHOW - Atlantic City (managing to replicate placing of the 202 winner of the 202 class from the Europa show - Flex Lewis - who won 202 class but placed 8th Overall....)
3- He attempted to enter qualifying shows but was DENIED opportunity...so he IS the only one IFBB competitor who didn't have a FAIR CHANCE to qualify...yet - it is more deserving than anyone else.
4- Hide is GOOD for the sport (same Robin Chang invited him to be special guest at the Weider booth last year at the Olympia...The only one WITHOUT endorsement contract...)
5- Hide is good for ASIAN BODYBUILDING...

6 - Helping Hide is good for YOU - the IFBB athletes representative who should listen what other athletes are saying about Hide as well...EVERY SINGLE ONE of the IFBB pros I talked to (including David H, Shawn, Melvin...etc...etc) feels the same - he should be given a chance BY his Federation and Olympia promoters...He is not asking for Olympia invitation (unless they are willing to give him one? Hmmmmm ) - he is asking for Showdown show invitation...as EVERYONE in the world knows - he would make that show THAT MUCH MORE COMPETITIVE - giving little of the International spice to it...

This is such a non-issue is almost laughable....

The ONLY issue at hand is whether or not he qualified by way of competing at a Olympia qualifying show, or not.

He didn't.

End of story.


If Hide was competing in the Houston Pro 202, and was leading (or in the top 5) going into round 3....and he fell off the stage into the orchestra pit,  breaking his leg....THEN I believe a "special invitation" would be justified.

[chaos]

3- He attempted to enter qualifying shows but was DENIED opportunity...so he IS the only one IFBB competitor who didn't have a FAIR CHANCE to qualify...yet - it is more deserving than anyone else.

Why was he denied the opportunity

[The Coach]

Whoa, if someone looks really good, he will place well.  I dont care if he is Team Milos or Team Chad or Team Hany or Team Ron.  It is all how they look against the other competitor.  

I have seen competitors look awesome by themselves at the gym a few days out, only when compared with others who looked just as good, decisions are made.

This weekend, I asked why Dave Bourlet didnt win his class in the Open (he won Novice and Overall), and they told me that his upper half (chest and back) looked great, and but legs were less defined than the winner.  I didn't see it that way, but three other people I asked did.

Then how do you expalin Jay winning last year? There were 5 others who should have beat him.

[polychronopolous]

Good thread.

[The Coach]

Off course NOT...
I said it publicly - didn't I?

Ok.....I will ask today.

[Chick]

Why was he denied the opportunity

He was only "denied" in the fact that he couldn't get his Visa from the Japanese govt.....bottom line is, he couldn't get to the US

[polychronopolous]

Then how do you expalin Jay winning last year? There were 5 others who should have beat him.

Bob Chick and Milos Sarcev are in here, hashing important issues out, leaving everything out on the table. Brilliant to read two great minds coming together for the sake of clarity. And  then "The Coach" comes in with this silly little question, to bring things to a screeching halt...

[nukkaready]

This is such a non-issue is almost laughable....

The ONLY issue at hand is whether or not he qualified by way of competing at a Olympia qualifying show, or not.

He didn't.

End of story.


If Hide was competing in the Houston Pro 202, and was leading (or in the top 5) going into round 3....and he fell off the stage into the orchestra pit,  breaking his leg....THEN I believe a "special invitation" would be justified.

SPECIAL INVITATION... How would Hide be competing with a broken leg?

[Milos_Sarcev]

Hide would have easily qualified at the Japanese Pro contest, if he hadn't been packing viagra and illegal supps in his baggage and caused the Japanese Pro backers to drop the contest.  While I'd like to see Hide compete, he shouldn't get an invite to the Olympia.  He needs to qualify to compete in the Olympia, as the rules stand.  He'll have to wait until next year.

He didn't ask for Olympia qualification - AS HE HAD ONE OPPORTUNITY to earn Olympia qualification bu placing top three at Atlantic City...He managed to place 8th...( we tried for more and got less...as he wasn't at his 100% biggest and best...)

But, as he didn't have a CHANCE to qualify for 202 Showdown AT ALL - not once...and he read that Olympia promoter COULD invite special invitee - he immediately contacted Robin...

Everyone in the world knows that Hide is TOP 202 CONTENDER and everyone at the showdown 2008 will have this chance only THIS TIME - in 2008 - when Hide is at his BEST to challenge the best Japanese bodybuilder in the world - Next year it might be different story...

[The Coach]

Bob Chick and Milos Sarcev are in here, hashing important issues out, leaving everything out on the table. Brilliant to read two great minds coming together for the sake of clarity. And  then "The Coach" comes in with this silly little question, to bring things to a screeching halt...

Considering I was quoting Ron

[Milos_Sarcev]

I like Hidetada. And he is one of the best Japanese bodybuilders out there, but he was arrested at LAX Airport and got caught.  And his sponsor in Japan dropped him, and even now in Japan, there is a karma about him so he isnt profiled a lot. Even the Japanese bodybuilding magazine are worried about using him too much, at the moment.

That being said, no special invite for the 202lb and Under.  Hidetada looks good, and get him ready for the 2009 Ironman, where, if he places in the top 5, will qualify for the Olympia.  And right now, with the date in the third week of January, Hidetada can do what he did in the past.

So get him ready for it.

As for the Olympia 202lb,  David, Henry, Flex Lewis and Kevin English are the favorites, in that order.

Even Dexter Jackson said that if Melvin is spot on, he can vie for the top Olympia spot. Never say never.

One of the best...

2009 is 2009 - we are talking 2008...WE STILL HAVE A TIME TO DO THE RIGHT THING...Even though Hide has lost his hopes...
I didn't...

I still count on REASON and "powers" can still realize that I made just about 100 valid points - and that bringing Asian superstar can ONLY BE GOOD for everyone...and showdown 202 can get that much better...

And how about IF I promise that I will stay home...?

[timfogarty]

He was only "denied" in the fact that he couldn't get his Visa from the Japanese govt.....bottom line is, he couldn't get to the US

you get the visa from the country you're visiting.  the Japanese government had no desire to keep him from traveling.  The US government wouldn't let him in.

Honestly I'm surprised he got in so quickly.  I figured it would be five years before they'd let him back into the USofA

[Chick]

you get the visa from the country you're visiting.  the Japanese government had no desire to keep him from traveling.  The US government wouldn't let him in.

Honestly I'm surprised he got in so quickly.  I figured it would be five years before they'd let him back into the USofA

It would've been 5 years...had ROBIN CHANG not written letters and helped him in..

I honestly wish there was an option to have him in the show...but there is not. There isn't one valid reason to make an exception.

[Milos_Sarcev]

Hi Milos,

it was actually the 2 quotes above that made me join this forum so that i could ask you:

...if this is how you feel about why your competitors don't get a fair chance, then isn't it wise to stop training athletes?

Luke Wood is one athlete that is really trying hard to get somewhere in the IFBB pro ranks, but going by what you say, then you would be making this difficult for him so long as it is known that he is "Team Milos" ...no matter how good he looks?

I even told some of my guys to STAY A HELL AWAY FROM ME if they want to place in top 100...

[polychronopolous]

I even told some of my guys to STAY A HELL AWAY FROM ME if they want to place in top 100...

Milos, quit putting yourself down. Your webcasts and seminars have helped hundreds.....if not thousands of people to acheive their fitness goals.

[Milos_Sarcev]

Hide would have easily qualified at the Japanese Pro contest, if he hadn't been packing viagra and illegal supps in his baggage and caused the Japanese Pro backers to drop the contest.  While I'd like to see Hide compete, he shouldn't get an invite to the Olympia.  He needs to qualify to compete in the Olympia, as the rules stand.  He'll have to wait until next year.

Viagra was for pumping up back stage - and he used his Rx when he was picking up his prescription in Pharmacy (he should have made copy of his prescription first..)...

Illegal supps YOU ARE REFERRING TO - are anti-catabolic/anabolic medicaments OFTEN prescribed by International physicians to protect highly catabolised bodies of pro athletes (especially bodybuilders)...

In his country - PERSONAL SUPPLY of AS is LEGAL to travel with...and numerous other countries have THE SAME POLICY...

Obviously - Hide is allowed BACK in US...and for anyone willing to engage his or her brain cells that means - US Gov. have realized that HE WAS ONLY DOING HIS JOB and was NOT properly informed about the LAW...

Numerous, and I will repeat NUMEROUS great International businessmen often consider their own LAWS and in some instances they learn a hard way that US customs might NOT tolerate SOMETHING that is completely LEGAL in country of their origin.

I was represented by THE BEST OF THE BEST STEROID LAWYER in US - my friend Rick Collins - who KNOWS EVERYTHING (and than some) there is to know about this subject - and even he told me - rules and regulations about importation of personally prescribed medication of International passengers IS gray area and many manipulations could happen - regardless if passenger has valid prescription from his nationally recognized physician ...and medical condition (to have a reason to travel with that medication)...

In correspondence with Hide's lawyer and judge - we needed to demonstrate that he had PERSONAL STACK and nothing else...and as everyone knows - he was NOT CHARGED...with anything but VIAGRA...( something he desperately needed  while he was visited by Ron in his Jail...but that's another story...Unless Ron cares to elaborate...?)

[Milos_Sarcev]

This is such a non-issue is almost laughable....

The ONLY issue at hand is whether or not he qualified by way of competing at a Olympia qualifying show, or not.

He didn't.

End of story.


If Hide was competing in the Houston Pro 202, and was leading (or in the top 5) going into round 3....and he fell off the stage into the orchestra pit,  breaking his leg....THEN I believe a "special invitation" would be justified.

XCuse moi...Monsieur Bob (as International athlete rep)...

SPECIAL INVITATION is exactly that - SPECIAL INVITATION...by a promoter who believes that athlete invited WILL be competitive enough or fans would love to see him compete or whatever reason...or...ELSE...(maybe MAKING THE SHOW BETTER???)

Just ask Gunter who didn't get just ONE...or TWO special invitations for the Olympia even though he had a chance to qualify by entering and placing in some qualifying shows...

He got THREE special invitations - and guess what - third time 2002 - he could/should/would/did....etc...etc... more than earn his SPECIAL INVITATION by shocking everyone and almost winning the show...(if judges had OPEN MIND o should I say - open eyes - during the prejudging just like they had during the finals - and they recognized Gunter smoking just about everyone in just about every pose (in just about every aspect that should be considered in judging)...we would have had THE BIGGEST shocker in the history of Mr. Olympia...

Couple of weeks later Gunter managed to beat Ronnie at the GNC show - but that was much different than winning the Olympia...


Anyway - how did Gunter deserve not 1 or 2...but THREE special invitations?

Oh...we didn't have athletes rep back than...?

Hmmm...

Bob, it is laughable how "politically correct" you always seem to be...

"The ONLY issue at hand is whether or not he qualified by way of competing at a Olympia qualifying show, or not.
He didn't. End of story."

Why would he need to qualify by way of competing at a Olympia qualifying show?
He is NOT asking for Olympia invitation....


He is asking (actually he is NOT asking - I am insisting - and not because he is my friend - but BECAUSE IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO - for the fans, for the athletes, for the IFBB, for Asian bodybuilding...for BODYBUILDING...for SPORT...for camaraderie...for FAIRNESS...and for the Independence Day!!!...Why this last one? Well, I don't know exactly - but it sure sounds good...so let's say for the overall effect!)

I am NOT the enemy...as most of the people in the IFBB consider me to be...I claim that each and every action I was/am/will be making was ALWAYS and ONLY for the Federations and especially ATHLETES benefits - and never the opposite...

PS: Idea of falling of the stage during the posing routine is quite interesting...How did you come up with that one?

[polychronopolous]

Does anyone think that Milos and Bob will get together for another workout anytime soon?

Or can they chalk this up as "just business" and still be able to come together as personal friends?

[dantelis]

One of the best...

2009 is 2009 - we are talking 2008...WE STILL HAVE A TIME TO DO THE RIGHT THING...Even though Hide has lost his hopes...
I didn't...

I still count on REASON and "powers" can still realize that I made just about 100 valid points - and that bringing Asian superstar can ONLY BE GOOD for everyone...and showdown 202 can get that much better...

And how about IF I promise that I will stay home...?

Milos,  What have you done to accomplish this special invitation directly with the IFBB?  Seems that arguing the topic on a BB forum isn't very constructive toward getting Hide an invite.  Call Chick direct and discuss it with him.  Get him on your side.  Contact Rafael Santonja, Ben Weider, Robin Chang and the other powers that be and argue Hide's case. 

By spitting your vitriol on the boards, you aren't doing anything constructive and aren't helping Hide.

[Chick]

Milos,  What have you done to accomplish this special invitation directly with the IFBB?  Seems that arguing the topic on a BB forum isn't very constructive toward getting Hide an invite.  Call Chick direct and discuss it with him.  Get him on your side.  Contact Rafael Santonja, Ben Weider, Robin Chang and the other powers that be and argue Hide's case. 

By spitting your vitriol on the boards, you aren't doing anything constructive and aren't helping Hide.

He did email myself, Jim Manion, Robin Chang, Peter McGough, etc....

The answer was no...from everyone.

There is no justification to extend an invite without it being unfair to those who did qualify, and those who competed but didn't....

[Chick]

So you are in favor of eliminating the "special invite" qualification entirely, since the same could be said of any special invite?

I've never been in favor of them, and Gunters string of invites was a joke...all in the Wayne era.

[Ron]

Do you honestly think Dennis Wolf has a legit chance to beat Jay even though Dennis doesn't have an AMI or Muscltech contract?

Yes, I do. If Dennis is is better shape, he should win.  After all, he has a Nutrex contract.