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House under martial law?
« on: September 28, 2008, 02:32:22 PM »
What is he referring to/ talking about? 1:20 onward


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Re: House under martial law?
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2008, 02:34:15 PM »
Any reply from someone other than him would be pure speculation.
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Re: House under martial law?
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2008, 02:37:19 PM »
found this real quick, havent had time to review it :

This is a Congressional procedure and it has happened before-

July 28, 2006

"The Leadership apparently intends to use a process known as “martial law” to allow these bills to be brought to the floor very shortly after negotiations are completed, with the result that Members of the House are likely to have virtually no time to examine and consider the details of the legislation before they will be required to vote on it-

http://www.cbpp.org/7-28-06bud-stmt.htm


Here is the current "martial law" resolution applied through Sept- 29:

http://rules-republicans.house.gov/S...ad.aspx?id=220

To report the martial law rule waiving a requirement of Clause 6(a) of Rule XIII with respect to consideration of any resolution reported from the Rules Committee, through the legislative day of September 29, 2008.
It does not apply to any specific measure, but rather grants blanket authority-

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Re: House under martial law?
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2008, 05:26:21 PM »
Kind of reminds me of when they passed The Patriot Act.   :-\
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Re: House under martial law?
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2008, 05:30:03 PM »
Kind of reminds me of when they passed The Patriot Act.   :-\

People should start asking questions about Biden's role in the Patriot Act.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10024163-38.html

Patriot Act

In the Senate debate over the Patriot Act in October 2001, Biden once again allied himself closely with the FBI. The Justice Department favorably quotes Biden on its Web site as saying: "The FBI could get a wiretap to investigate the mafia, but they could not get one to investigate terrorists. To put it bluntly, that was crazy! What's good for the mob should be good for terrorists."

The problem is that Biden's claim was simply false -- which he should have known after a decade of experience lending his name to wiretapping bills on behalf of the FBI. As CDT explains in a rebuttal to Biden: "The Justice Department had the ability to use wiretaps, including roving taps, in criminal investigations of terrorism, just as in other criminal investigations, long before the Patriot Act."

But Biden's views had become markedly less FBI-friendly by April 2007, six years later. By then, the debate over wiretapping had become sharply partisan, pitting Democrats seeking to embarrass President Bush against Republicans aiming to defend the administration at nearly any cost. In addition, Biden had announced his presidential candidacy three months earlier and was courting liberal activists dismayed by the Bush administration's warrantless wiretapping.

That month, Biden slammed the "president's illegal wiretapping program that allows intelligence agencies to eavesdrop on the conversations of Americans without a judge's approval or congressional authorization or oversight." He took aim at Attorney General Alberto Gonzales for allowing the FBI to "flagrantly misuse National Security Letters" -- even though it was the Patriot Act that greatly expanded their use without also expanding internal safeguards and oversight as well.

Biden did vote against a FISA bill with retroactive immunity for any telecommunications provider that illegally opened its network to the National Security Agency; Obama didn't. Both agreed to renew the Patriot Act in March 2006, a move that pro-privacy Democrats including Ron Wyden and Russ Feingold opposed. The ACLU said the renewal "fails to correct the most flawed provisions" of the original Patriot Act. (Biden does do well on the ACLU's congressional scorecard.)

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Re: House under martial law?
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2008, 07:06:11 PM »
Kind of reminds me of when they passed The Patriot Act.   :-\
that's what I was thinking.

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Re: House under martial law?
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2008, 07:09:11 PM »
People should start asking questions about Biden's role in the Patriot Act.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10024163-38.html

Patriot Act

In the Senate debate over the Patriot Act in October 2001, Biden once again allied himself closely with the FBI. The Justice Department favorably quotes Biden on its Web site as saying: "The FBI could get a wiretap to investigate the mafia, but they could not get one to investigate terrorists. To put it bluntly, that was crazy! What's good for the mob should be good for terrorists."

The problem is that Biden's claim was simply false -- which he should have known after a decade of experience lending his name to wiretapping bills on behalf of the FBI. As CDT explains in a rebuttal to Biden: "The Justice Department had the ability to use wiretaps, including roving taps, in criminal investigations of terrorism, just as in other criminal investigations, long before the Patriot Act."

But Biden's views had become markedly less FBI-friendly by April 2007, six years later. By then, the debate over wiretapping had become sharply partisan, pitting Democrats seeking to embarrass President Bush against Republicans aiming to defend the administration at nearly any cost. In addition, Biden had announced his presidential candidacy three months earlier and was courting liberal activists dismayed by the Bush administration's warrantless wiretapping.

That month, Biden slammed the "president's illegal wiretapping program that allows intelligence agencies to eavesdrop on the conversations of Americans without a judge's approval or congressional authorization or oversight." He took aim at Attorney General Alberto Gonzales for allowing the FBI to "flagrantly misuse National Security Letters" -- even though it was the Patriot Act that greatly expanded their use without also expanding internal safeguards and oversight as well.

Biden did vote against a FISA bill with retroactive immunity for any telecommunications provider that illegally opened its network to the National Security Agency; Obama didn't. Both agreed to renew the Patriot Act in March 2006, a move that pro-privacy Democrats including Ron Wyden and Russ Feingold opposed. The ACLU said the renewal "fails to correct the most flawed provisions" of the original Patriot Act. (Biden does do well on the ACLU's congressional scorecard.)
People should be asking questions about all their roles in the patriot act.  That was bullshit and there's a lot of blame to go around for it.  I lot of people not happy about every last person who signed that without even reading it.  What the hell was the rush ::)