arnoldjr-
Of course they see results. Caloric deficit with high protein intake and weight training + cardio = guaranteed results. that doesn't mean it cant be improved upon.
You're right, things can be improved upon. The dieting you speak of works, I cannot argue that. It's worked for a lot of guys for years. But that doesn't mean it's the only way to do things; and it certainly doesn't mean it's the best. Just because people have been doing something one way for a long times doesn't make it best.
if real life application wins every time then the guys who are the most shredded are who we should follow. now who is the most shredded when it comes to show time? certainly not palumbo's guys.
The way I advise on diets is very similar to what Dave says. Completely a mirror image? Sometimes but not all the time; there are certain things that I will change when it comes to certain clients; like always said, everyone is different but in general the base rules always apply.
Now, as far as Dave's guys coming in the most shredded or not; even the people who don't like Dave or don't like his diets, most of these people will not argue the fact that his guys almost always come in with better condition then anyone else. For the last 3 years his competitors have dominated the national stage; both male and female. If you want to argue facts, look at the placements in the 5 big national shows the past 3 years and compare who had more top 5 finishers between Dave and the other guys. Now if Dave has more top 5 finishers then Joe Blow, no matter how much you disagree with his style of dieting, you cannot deny the fact that it is producing quality show placement, so there must be something to it.
look at the past and who comes in the most dialed.. most of those guys diet low fat, moderate carb, high protein. FACT.
Like I said above, you're right, this type of dieting will work but it doesn't make it best. Most guys have dieted this way for years, again you're right, this is a fact.
But look at it this way, take the Golden Years of bodybuilding, and compare it to say the 1990's, the guys in the 90's did not diet at all like the guys in the 60's and 70's, not even remotely. Now what the guys did in the 60's and 70's worked; they came i ripped and shredded. But low and behold, the guys in the 90's came in even more ripped and shredded, better conditioned, lower body fat and carrying more muscle. Would you say that because they dieted differently then the 70"s guys that they had it all wrong? Doubtful.
Now, flash forward to the present, more and more guys are using the low carb moderate fat approach and this number seems to be increasing every year. More and more of these guys are getting top placements in shows, some are Palumbo's guys, some aren't. So there must be something to it.
Last thing, you knock this style of dieting a lot. Myself, I was very skeptical at first, I was nervous that I would lose more muscle then needed dieting this way. But after a time, I saw what it was producing, and I decided to give it a try for myself. I decided that if it didn't work it would not be the end of the world, after all it's not like trying a diet and it failing means your life is over, you will recover. But guess what happened? It worked, it worked better then any style of diet I've used. I did the low fat and carb cycling for years, yes I could get in very good shape this way, but not near like I can on a high protein, low carb, moderate fat diet. You come in leaner, you come in harder, and that's pretty much the whole point.
