"Thor" next SUPER HERO to get big screen treatment

[Master Blaster]

Ok, let's get something straight first.  The Hulk is my favorite character ever.  But he loses to Thor plain and simple.  Second, You bringing out Red Hulk is like throwing pre-crisis Superman or Beyonder into the mix.  Some of these writers gave these characters virtually no limits to their powers, and Red Hulk is the latest.  However, it's not the widely agreed-upon version of "The" Hulk.  Third, Thor's hammer.  It's powers are mystical, much like Juggernaut's.  Just because Hulk is the strongest one there is doesn't mean he can stop Juggernaut, because he can't.  Why?  Because his powers are mystical.  Hulk's strength does not compute into this.  Lastly, if you want to start throwing out obscure versions of characters, then I'll throw in Rune King Thor into the mix and it's game over.

You are confusing cause and effect. The cause is mystical, the force is physical. By definition that force can not be greater than Hulks.

[big L dawg]

all theses fools put together couldn't hang with hulk

[Fatpanda]

Ok, let's get something straight first.  The Hulk is my favorite character ever.  But he loses to Thor plain and simple.  Second, You bringing out Red Hulk is like throwing pre-crisis Superman or Beyonder into the mix.  Some of these writers gave these characters virtually no limits to their powers, and Red Hulk is the latest.  However, it's not the widely agreed-upon version of "The" Hulk.  Third, Thor's hammer.  It's powers are mystical, much like Juggernaut's.  Just because Hulk is the strongest one there is doesn't mean he can stop Juggernaut, because he can't.  Why?  Because his powers are mystical.  Hulk's strength does not compute into this.  Lastly, if you want to start throwing out obscure versions of characters, then I'll throw in Rune King Thor into the mix and it's game over.

how is throwing the red hulk into the mix like supe or beyonder   i brought red hulk to show that he held thors hammer in the normal universe, and basically kicked thors ass, then the standard green stuopid hulk knocked out the red hulk, because he was stronger, its as simple as that.

now if a normal hulk can knock out a guy that took out thor and lifted his hammer

then a wwh hulk that beat everyone in the marvel earth at the same time (including sentry), took on thor with his smarter intelect, greater strength and healing etc, thor wouldn't stand a chance.

it has been proven hulk has unlimited strength, stamina healing, etc. thor has limits.

[Parker]

I don't remember the Hulk ever lifting the hammer in a normal setting (i.e. not Ultimates or WWH).  To my knowledge, under normal circumstances, Captain America is the only one that's done it.

I forgot which comic it was, I have it somewhere, but it was after the Onslaught debacle.  I think Erik Larson was the artist. But I can remember Hulk getting so angry, that he tried lifting it and he was having trouble at first, and Thor was like "WTF, you are lifting Mjolnir"

[Fatpanda]

all theses fools put together couldn't hang with hulk

exactly, notice how he took out thor with ease.

now truely that was a fantastic representation of the hulk in all is glory - marvel film studios should take note 

[Condor]

how is throwing the red hulk into the mix like supe or beyonder   i brought red hulk to show that he held thors hammer in the normal universe, and basically kicked thors ass, then the standard green stuopid hulk knocked out the red hulk, because he was stronger, its as simple as that.

now if a normal hulk can knock out a guy that took out thor and lifted his hammer

then a wwh hulk that beat everyone in the marvel earth at the same time (including sentry), took on thor with his smarter intelect, greater strength and healing etc, thor wouldn't stand a chance.

it has been proven hulk has unlimited strength, stamina healing, etc. thor has limits.

I'm not talking about Red Hulk or WWH, I'm talking about NORMAL Hulk, as written the MU.  This could be Grey Hulk, Savage Hulk, Whatever you want.  In the NORMAL Marvel Universe, nobody can lift Thor's Hammer (except when Cap did it).  I'm not talking alternate universes on Sakaar (WWH) or in the Ultimates, or this new Red Hulk, which is totally not canon.

[Fatpanda]

I'm not talking about Red Hulk or WWH, I'm talking about NORMAL Hulk, as written the MU.  This could be Grey Hulk, Savage Hulk, Whatever you want.  In the NORMAL Marvel Universe, nobody can lift Thor's Hammer (except when Cap did it).  I'm not talking alternate universes on Sakaar (WWH) or in the Ultimates, or this new Red Hulk, which is totally not canon.

red hulk beat thor - standard green hulk beat red hulk.

wwh is the standard green hulk, he was just never that angry before.

as parker just reminded me the marvel universe (thor included ) had to get hulk into beserker rage mode to beat onslaught too.

if thor was so powerful, why didn't he handle him?

[Parker]

red hulk beat thor - standard green hulk beat red hulk.

wwh is the standard green hulk, he was just never that angry before.

as parker just reminded me the marvel universe (thor included ) had to get hulk into beserker rage mode to beat onslaught too.

if thor was so powerful, why didn't he handle him?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onslaught_(comics)

[big L dawg]

[BayGBM]

I'm not talking about Red Hulk or WWH, I'm talking about NORMAL Hulk, as written the MU.  This could be Grey Hulk, Savage Hulk, Whatever you want.  In the NORMAL Marvel Universe, nobody can lift Thor's Hammer (except when Cap did it).  I'm not talking alternate universes on Sakaar (WWH) or in the Ultimates, or this new Red Hulk, which is totally not canon.

Was that story line of Cap lifting the Hammer canon?  How?  It doesn't make sense to me.  Even if he were "worthy" (which no earth mortal is) he is not physically strong enough because Mjolnir cannot be lifted by normal human strength.

[Master Blaster]

Looks cheesy but fun. I'll probably throw in on the queue.

[Method101]

[Master Blaster]

Was that story line of Cap lifting the Hammer canon?  How?  It doesn't make sense to me.  Even if he were "worthy" (which no earth mortal is) he is not physically strong enough because Mjolnir cannot be lifted by normal human strength.

Hahaha ...are you just fucking with people? 

He doesn't HAVE "normal" human stregnth.

[tu_holmes]

Hahaha ...are you just fucking with people? 

He doesn't HAVE "normal" human stregnth.

Doesn't matter how strong you are...

As Mjolnir has etched upon itself... "He who holds the hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor".

Lifting Mjolnir isn't about strength, it's about virtue... Of which Steve Rogers has TONS of.

Cap and Superman have both hoisted Mjolnir.

It does not take super strength, yet I believe Hulk at one time did lift it due to being so outrageously strong.

[big L dawg]

It's a mood point because hulk would destoy thor without needing to pic the hammer up anyway

[tu_holmes]

Hahaha ...are you just fucking with people? 

He doesn't HAVE "normal" human stregnth.

Cap is the peak of human condition... It is above normal, but he's not juggling elephants either.

[chris_mason]

all theses fools put together couldn't hang with hulk

That was great!  Thanks!

[bigguns23]

That'll be 10 dollars little man

[BayGBM]

Cap is the peak of human condition... It is above normal, but he's not juggling elephants either.

Cap is as strong as a normal human being can become, but his strength is still normal; that is to say, he does not have superhuman strength.  Thor canon established long ago that no normal human can lift Mjolnir.

A human whose strength is mechanically enhanced (Dr. Doom's armor for example,) cannot lift it; superhuman people (Thing, Colossus, Juggernaut) could not lift it because they will not pass the "worthy" test according to Odin's enchantment.  Even other Asgardians cannot lift the hammer!  The hammer can be lifted or moved by a mechanical device--but not handled by a person.

I gave up reading Thor by the time I got to high school, but in my recollection the only beings (according to canon) shown to be capable of lifting Mjolnir are Odin, Thor, and Beta Ray Bill.  The elves in Asgard who originally forged the hammer were able to lift it, but that was before Odin gave it the enchantment restricting its use to those he deems worthy.  

[Stavios]

and my biggest problem was with his build, he was over developed physically in places and under developed in others.

Lee Priest  said in MD that his body was used as a model for the new movie HULK

I am not kidding

[tu_holmes]

Cap is as strong as a normal human being can become, but his strength is still normal; that is to say, he does not have superhuman strength.  Thor canon established long ago that no normal human can lift Mjolnir.

A human whose strength is mechanically enhanced (Dr. Doom's armor for example,) cannot lift it; superhuman people (Thing, Colossus, Juggernaut) could not lift it because they will not pass the "worthy" test according to Odin's enchantment.  Even other Asgardians cannot lift the hammer!  The hammer can be lifted or moved by a mechanical device--but not handled by a person.

I gave up reading Thor by the time I got to high school, but in my recollection the only beings (according to canon) shown to be capable of lifting Mjolnir are Odin, Thor, and Beta Ray Bill.  The elves in Asgard who originally forged the hammer were able to lift it, but that was before Odin gave it the enchantment restricting its use to those he deems worthy.  

Says Bay... It's by those who Odin deems worthy... Please see who has lifted it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mjolnir_(Marvel_Comics)

[Master Blaster]

Cap is as strong as a normal human being can become, but his strength is still normal; that is to say, he does not have superhuman strength.  Thor canon established long ago that no normal human can lift Mjolnir.

Damn, you're right. 

wiki:

"Captain America has no superhuman powers, although as a result of the Super-Soldier serum and vita-ray treatment, he is transformed from a frail young man into a "perfect" specimen of human development and conditioning. Captain America's strength, endurance, agility, speed, reflexes, and durability are at the highest limits of natural human potential. It has been established that Rogers' body regularly creates the super-soldier serum; it does not wear off.[60]"

[tu_holmes]

Damn, you're right. 

wiki:

"Captain America has no superhuman powers, although as a result of the Super-Soldier serum and vita-ray treatment, he is transformed from a frail young man into a "perfect" specimen of human development and conditioning. Captain America's strength, endurance, agility, speed, reflexes, and durability are at the highest limits of natural human potential. It has been established that Rogers' body regularly creates the super-soldier serum; it does not wear off.[60]"

Just as an item to note... The current Captain America is not Steve Rodgers... Steve is currently listed as "deceased" in the Marvel Universe.

[Sexual Mustard]

that french rugby guy had a cool look for for Thor when Thor had a beard (if his hair was dyed blonde):

[BayGBM]

Damn, you're right. 

wiki:

"Captain America has no superhuman powers, although as a result of the Super-Soldier serum and vita-ray treatment, he is transformed from a frail young man into a "perfect" specimen of human development and conditioning. Captain America's strength, endurance, agility, speed, reflexes, and durability are at the highest limits of natural human potential. It has been established that Rogers' body regularly creates the super-soldier serum; it does not wear off.[60]"

By the way, not that long ago, in the Marvel Universe the height of normal human strength was said to be the ability to lift/press 800lbs with supreme effort.  Cap could do this and his closest competitor was T'Challa, the Black Panther, who could lift/press 750lbs.  Anyone who could lift more than that was said to be superhuman. 

If I'm not mistaken current powerlifters can now press more than 800lbs.  I guess Marvel editors need to revise the height of normal human strength upward to 900 or 1000lbs.