OBAMA IS FOR ABORTION AT ANY MEASURES

[Option D]

lol at the lets be smart comment...and the not generalizing but then generalizing me with the rest of the GOP...real smart

About the double standard not really no, you see the ppl being put to death with the death penalty have been convicted of a crime so they have been proven guilty of an action that warrants the death penalty. The children killed in abortions are innocent and have not been convicted of anything so NO this double standard cant really be turned around in this instance. Again what are your thoughts on this liberal double standard?

Na cha cha...i didnt say generalize...i said absolute...again be smart...
And actually as a party, the GOP is Anti Abortion......yes...be smart

Im not Anti death penalty so i dont know what goes through the minds of people who who say abortion is a choice and are anti death penalty

[tonymctones]

Na cha cha...i didnt say generalize...i said absolute...again be smart...
And actually as a party, the GOP is Anti Abortion......yes...be smart

Im not Anti death penalty so i dont know what goes through the minds of people who who say abortion is a choice and are anti death penalty

well im not publicly pro life so be smart and not every GOP member is anti abortion so be smart and nice way to avoid answering the question.

[Option D]

well im not publicly pro life so be smart and not every GOP member is anti abortion so be smart and nice way to avoid answering the question.

you=tard...i said as a party GOP=anti abortion and didnt i say earlier that we dont work in absolutes...

Little lesson on the term Absolutes as per to this conversation.

Absolute is = all, every, none etc... Social matters, absolutes are rarely used
"As a Party"= isnt the same as an absolutle...

Per the Avoid the question comment. One who dosent share the same view of another would be hard pressed to explain the view of that other person.

[big L dawg]

this thread is classic example of one issue voters

[Option D]

this thread is classic example of one issue voters

im not that at all. i dont really care about abortion...i care about war, economy and healthcare..in that order....end of war takes some strain off economy

[Buffgeek]

I think its so funny... Lets play out the GOP Senerio...

15 year old girl gets pregnant... was ONLY taught NO SEX until you get married!!! OR you go to hell!!! (Palinology 101, worked good in her family)

Now its... YOU HAVE TO KEEP IT!!!!!!!! They go on and on and on...

Parents are disgraced and Kick her out of the house (Palin did this to Bristol, Bristol lives with her Aunt)

She keeps it casue she was scared to "hell" by the warped religious nuts, now... shes 16 scared... no clue what to do... no education, no job, and a baby... goes on Welfare...

GOP... GET THIS LAZY BITCH OFF WELFARE!!!! She gets just enough to barely survive in poverty, and can't further herself, so she works at a gas station making 5.75/hour, no health insurance, cant afford a car, takes the city bus, her child gets raised by gov programs etc... CATCH MY DRIFT?

Conservatives are so worried about the UNBORN, have you ever looked around at the fucking BORN for once???  I dont see them worried about homeless vets, or homeless kids, they worry about IRAQI FREEDOM, and

This scenario is rediculous. First how many parents these days kick their child out of the house like you talk about? I lean more repuplican and so is a vast majority of people I associate with. No one I would know would do this. You are generalizing.  Also in what state can parents make you keep it? You can get confidential abortions without the parents ever knowing.

So hypothetically if she didnt use birth control, didnt use the day after pill and her parents are "making her her keep it alive" why the hell coudlnt she give the child up for adoption rather than killing it? I dont wanna get fat and go through pain for 3-18 hours so I will just kill it.

Heres the other thing smart guy. My mom was 15 when she had me. No court would take me away from her even when my dad tried to get custody. She worked her ass off to raise me and take care of me on her own. Sure she could have given me up for adoption which in retrospec im glad she didnt, but she manned up and took care of child.

She also could have had an abortion and and then I nor my children would be alive today.  A life is a life and I dont need to be a woman to see that.

[Buffgeek]

this thread is classic example of one issue voters

Any voter that votes based on one issue doesnt derserve the right to vote imo.

[Busted]

This scenario is rediculous. First how many parents these days kick their child out of the house like you talk about? I lean more repuplican and so is a vast majority of people I associate with. No one I would know would do this. You are generalizing.  Also in what state can parents make you keep it? You can get confidential abortions without the parents ever knowing.

So hypothetically if she didnt use birth control, didnt use the day after pill and her parents are "making her her keep it alive" why the hell coudlnt she give the child up for adoption rather than killing it? I dont wanna get fat and go through pain for 3-18 hours so I will just kill it.

Heres the other thing smart guy. My mom was 15 when she had me. No court would take me away from her even when my dad tried to get custody. She worked her ass off to raise me and take care of me on her own. Sure she could have given me up for adoption which in retrospec im glad she didnt, but she manned up and took care of child.

She also could have had an abortion and and then I nor my children would be alive today.  A life is a life and I don't need to be a woman to see that.

      That scenario is not rediculious, inless you are out of touch with reality.  A friend of mine right now is 24 single and pregnant, the condom broke, she got preg and her Boyfriend hauled ass to another state and said "too bad".  She lives at home with her parents and she can't go to church with them anymore because her parents are afraid the community will look down on their family for having a child that is preg with out being married. Nice mentality!!! She's in her last year of college and will have to drop out hoping to go back in the future. They support her, but if she trys going to church with them they would kick her out. YES thats INSANE, but many people in our country LIVE THAT LIFE.  Sara Palin kicked her daughter out and made her move in with her aunt 25 miles out of town.  That's not reported much in the media but thats the word in Alaska.  Notice she isnt out on the campaign at all anymore?
       
       It happens a lot more than you and your Rep buddies even know about. It happened to my mom, she had me at 16, grandparents booted her, she moved in with my aunt and uncle and they all helped raise me, my mom has a 9th grade education and had to go on Gov programs. I lived in 18 homes before I graduated, went to 8 different schools in 4 different states, slept on couches because she couldn't afford a 1 bed apartment. She worked 2 jobs and still couldn't afford to take care of us...

       If a woman doesn't want to have a baby, that's HER CHOICE, not yours, not conservatives, not anti- abortion protesters, not the GOV, HERS PERIOD.  There is way too much shit going on in this world to worry about if a woman has an abortion or not.  Start fixing the problems with the people who ARE here instead of worrying about people who are NOT here yet.

[tonymctones]

where do you stand on the death penalty busted?

[Busted]

where do you stand on the death penalty busted?

I see nothing wrong with it as long as there is undeniable evidence, science, confession etc...  100ccs of Potassium and Sodium Chloride. 

[Buffgeek]

      That scenario is not rediculious, inless you are out of touch with reality.  A friend of mine right now is 24 single and pregnant, the condom broke, she got preg and her Boyfriend hauled ass to another state and said "too bad".  She lives at home with her parents and she can't go to church with them anymore because her parents are afraid the community will look down on their family for having a child that is preg with out being married. Nice mentality!!! She's in her last year of college and will have to drop out hoping to go back in the future. They support her, but if she trys going to church with them they would kick her out. YES thats INSANE, but many people in our country LIVE THAT LIFE.  Sara Palin kicked her daughter out and made her move in with her aunt 25 miles out of town.  That's not reported much in the media but thats the word in Alaska.  Notice she isnt out on the campaign at all anymore?
       
       It happens a lot more than you and your Rep buddies even know about. It happened to my mom, she had me at 16, grandparents booted her, she moved in with my aunt and uncle and they all helped raise me, my mom has a 9th grade education and had to go on Gov programs. I lived in 18 homes before I graduated, went to 8 different schools in 4 different states, slept on couches because she couldn't afford a 1 bed apartment. She worked 2 jobs and still couldn't afford to take care of us...

       If a woman doesn't want to have a baby, that's HER CHOICE, not yours, not conservatives, not anti- abortion protesters, not the GOV, HERS PERIOD.  There is way too much shit going on in this world to worry about if a woman has an abortion or not.  Start fixing the problems with the people who ARE here instead of worrying about people who are NOT here yet.

First forget Sarah Palin and Church. ( I dont agree with the way her church is behaving) We are talking about terminating pregnancies.

If your friend has the kid that is awesome. Its sucks that the dude did that to her, but again not the kids fault. My Mom never got past the 8th grade, but she always made sure I was taken care of. Later in life she got educated and made a decent life for herself before she died.

Would you rather your mother terminated her pregnancy? What is the difference if she had terminated you when you were in the womb vs 5 years old? Its her choice right? I dont buy the whole its not a life if it cant survive on its own bs...

If a woman doesnt want to have a baby she: a) Shouldnt have intercourse b) Make sure she AND the dude use contraception c) Take a morning after pill that will prevent fertilization

I am by no means putting this all on women as it takes two to tango and I think one Americas biggest problems is deadbeat fathers, but men lack the ability to concieve so if a woman does not wish to get pregnant these are her choices.


There are always situations where you have to bend as nothing is absolute, but this is how I feel. One day we will wakeup and realize what we have been doing and be appalled.

Do you even know how they perform abortions?

[w8tlftr]

Palin said in the 06 governors' debate that if her own underage daughter was raped, she'd require by law that she keep the baby.

The baby is an innocent.

Put it up for adoption.

[tonymctones]

busted you run on and on about a womens right ot choose but you slander a man for choosing to not be involved in the childs life. Seems kinda hypocritical to rant and rave about a womens right to choose to have the child or not independent of the mans opinion and then condemn the man for not wanting anything to do with the child even if he may have wanted an abortion.

thoughts anybody discuss...

[Busted]

First forget Sarah Palin and Church. ( I dont agree with the way her church is behaving) We are talking about terminating pregnancies.

If your friend has the kid that is awesome. Its sucks that the dude did that to her, but again not the kids fault. My Mom never got past the 8th grade, but she always made sure I was taken care of. Later in life she got educated and made a decent life for herself before she died.

Would you rather your mother terminated her pregnancy? What is the difference if she had terminated you when you were in the womb vs 5 years old? Its her choice right? I dont buy the whole its not a life if it cant survive on its own bs...

If a woman doesnt want to have a baby she: a) Shouldnt have intercourse b) Make sure she AND the dude use contraception c) Take a morning after pill that will prevent fertilization

I am by no means putting this all on women as it takes two to tango and I think one Americas biggest problems is deadbeat fathers, but men lack the ability to concieve so if a woman does not wish to get pregnant these are her choices.


There are always situations where you have to bend as nothing is absolute, but this is how I feel. One day we will wakeup and realize what we have been doing and be appalled.

Do you even know how they perform abortions?

Wow. So dont have sex thats the cure to less abortions? Thats part of the Palin-Bushology plan, that doesn't seem to work. COME DOWN TO REALITY. People are going to have sex, accidents happen, and if a woman wants to have an abortion that's her business not yours, not mine, not our presidents nobody's but hers.

If my mom would have had an abortion, well so be it, she didnt and here I am. Im sure the world wouldnt be different if "ole busted" didnt come into the world.
 
THESE are HER choices, your choices don't count, since you are not a woman.
a) Shouldnt have intercourse
b) Make sure she AND the dude use contraception
c) Take a morning after pill that will prevent fertilization
d) Have an abortion
e) Give it up for adoption


The bottom line is, I don't like abortion, I'm just tired of people trying to tell someone what they can and cant do with their own body that effects their life not yours.

As George carlin said "these people will do ANYTHING for the unborn, but once your born YOUR ON YOUR OWN!!! UNTIL, you reach MILITARY AGE!!!!!!"

[Busted]

busted you run on and on about a womens right ot choose but you slander a man for choosing to not be involved in the childs life. Seems kinda hypocritical to rant and rave about a womens right to choose to have the child or not independent of the mans opinion and then condemn the man for not wanting anything to do with the child even if he may have wanted an abortion.

thoughts anybody discuss...

I don't  know where to start with that incoherent rant you just spewed out...

let me get this straight, you are comparing a "IF" (IF being a new Pregnancy) to a "IS" (IS being a Child is born) where the "IF" is not reality in less the "IS" actually Happens, and the "IS" has Federal and State laws binding you to it...  Did you get that?? I explained it that way to confuse you even more, or do I need to do the Ronnie Coleman Apples vs Oranges method?

You are comparing a Mans legal Responsibility to his child once it is born, to a woman's right to chose what to do with her body? 

Is that above your head and below your feet?  Please go back and find someone with at east a 6th grade education to help you type out a complete thought.

Have a nice day.

[tonymctones]

I don't  know where to start with that incoherent rant you just spewed out...

let me get this straight, you are comparing a "IF" (IF being a new Pregnancy) to a "IS" (IS being a Child is born) where the "IF" is not reality in less the "IS" actually Happens, and the "IS" has Federal and State laws binding you to it...  Did you get that?? I explained it that way to confuse you even more, or do I need to do the Ronnie Coleman Apples vs Oranges method?

You are comparing a Mans legal Responsibility to his child once it is born, to a woman's right to chose what to do with her body? 

Is that above your head and below your feet?  Please go back and find someone with at east a 6th grade education to help you type out a complete thought.

Have a nice day.

LOL apparently you werent aware of this liberal double standard either? I women has the right to choose whether to have a child or not, if there are medical problems that might arise ok, but just b/c she doesnt want to be burdened with the child no. But the male is subject to child support whether he wants the child or not...LOL you think thats fair?

[The Coach]

I think its so funny... Lets play out the GOP Senerio...

15 year old girl gets pregnant... was ONLY taught NO SEX until you get married!!! OR you go to hell!!! (Palinology 101, worked good in her family)

Now its... YOU HAVE TO KEEP IT!!!!!!!! They go on and on and on...

Parents are disgraced and Kick her out of the house (Palin did this to Bristol, Bristol lives with her Aunt)

She keeps it casue she was scared to "hell" by the warped religious nuts, now... shes 16 scared... no clue what to do... no education, no job, and a baby... goes on Welfare...

GOP... GET THIS LAZY BITCH OFF WELFARE!!!! She gets just enough to barely survive in poverty, and can't further herself, so she works at a gas station making 5.75/hour, no health insurance, cant afford a car, takes the city bus, her child gets raised by gov programs etc... CATCH MY DRIFT?

Conservatives are so worried about the UNBORN, have you ever looked around at the fucking BORN for once???  I dont see them worried about homeless vets, or homeless kids, they worry about IRAQI FREEDOM, and

Yeah, I catch your drift. So instead of putting the child up for adoption to parents to are not physically able to have children but want them, could afford to take care of them, raise them educate them............you choose to just kill it? Again, the lack of commonsense is just overwhelming!

[The Coach]

      That scenario is not rediculious, inless you are out of touch with reality.  A friend of mine right now is 24 single and pregnant, the condom broke, she got preg and her Boyfriend hauled ass to another state and said "too bad".  She lives at home with her parents and she can't go to church with them anymore because her parents are afraid the community will look down on their family for having a child that is preg with out being married. Nice mentality!!! She's in her last year of college and will have to drop out hoping to go back in the future. They support her, but if she trys going to church with them they would kick her out. YES thats INSANE, but many people in our country LIVE THAT LIFE.  Sara Palin kicked her daughter out and made her move in with her aunt 25 miles out of town.  That's not reported much in the media but thats the word in Alaska.  Notice she isnt out on the campaign at all anymore?
       
       It happens a lot more than you and your Rep buddies even know about. It happened to my mom, she had me at 16, grandparents booted her, she moved in with my aunt and uncle and they all helped raise me, my mom has a 9th grade education and had to go on Gov programs. I lived in 18 homes before I graduated, went to 8 different schools in 4 different states, slept on couches because she couldn't afford a 1 bed apartment. She worked 2 jobs and still couldn't afford to take care of us...

       If a woman doesn't want to have a baby, that's HER CHOICE, not yours, not conservatives, not anti- abortion protesters, not the GOV, HERS PERIOD.  There is way too much shit going on in this world to worry about if a woman has an abortion or not.  Start fixing the problems with the people who ARE here instead of worrying about people who are NOT here yet.

So your solution is to take the easy way out and terminate the child?

[240 is Back]

i agree with repubs on this issue... but not the extreme position.  hard to be in the middle on this issue.

[Straw Man]

the basic premise of this thread is complete bullshit

[Buffgeek]

You are comparing a Mans legal Responsibility to his child once it is born, to a woman's right to chose what to do with her body? 

Thats my point dude. Its not just her body anymore. There is another person inside of her that is its own person that should be protected by the law like you and me. I am not the law. I dont any authority over anyone, I am just saying why I believe what I do.

[Busted]

Yeah, I catch your drift. So instead of putting the child up for adoption to parents to are not physically able to have children but want them, could afford to take care of them, raise them educate them............you choose to just kill it? Again, the lack of commonsense is just overwhelming!

No its not common sense, having a child can be life threatening / altering physically and mentally for the rest of her life.  Maybe that woman doesnt want to risk that for a child shes not going to keep.  Ever think of that?   Not everyone lives the life you do Coach not everyone thumps the bible with every choice they make... The fictional book "the Bible" is as useful to me as Michael Moores books are to you...

Again, if it was up to Liberal folks, they keep it the way it is, if it was up to Conservatives, as usual, they want us all to live by their rules that are driven from The Bible...

[Buffgeek]

No its not common sense, having a child can be life threatening / altering physically and mentally for the rest of her life.  Maybe that woman doesnt want to risk that for a child shes not going to keep.  Ever think of that?   Not everyone lives the life you do Coach not everyone thumps the bible with every choice they make... The fictional book "the Bible" is as useful to me as Michael Moores books are to you...

Again, if it was up to Liberal folks, they keep it the way it is, if it was up to Conservatives, as usual, they want us all to live by their rules that are driven from The Bible...

\

What are our laws driven by?

[Busted]

So your solution is to take the easy way out and terminate the child?

Seriously do you know how to fucking read? Are you as dumb as Palin?  What part of ITS THE WOMANS CHOICE DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? If she wants to KEEP IT, ABORT IT, ADOPT IT, thats HER CHOICE, stop worrying about the UNBORN and go do something for the FUCKING BORN for once...

[Buffgeek]

Seriously do you know how to fucking read? Are you as dumb as Palin?  What part of ITS THE WOMANS CHOICE DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? If she wants to KEEP IT, ABORT IT, ADOPT IT, thats HER CHOICE, stop worrying about the UNBORN and go do something for the FUCKING BORN for once...

That is the biggest cop out I have ever heard. At what point is it not her choice anymore? When does life start? 1 month? 5 months?   7 months? Birth?