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« on: October 01, 2008, 04:57:05 AM »
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« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2008, 05:04:24 AM »
There are many issues where I agree with Kucinich. This is not one of them. Frankly, he is clueless on this issue.
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« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2008, 05:16:49 AM »
There are many issues where I agree with Kucinich. This is not one of them. Frankly, he is clueless on this issue.

You think a bailout is the right thing to do?
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« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2008, 05:26:41 AM »
You think a bailout is the right thing to do?

Rescue the Rescue
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN

I was channel surfing on Monday, following the stock market’s nearly 800-point collapse, when a commentator on CNBC caught my attention. He was being asked to give advice to viewers as to what were the best positions to be in to ride out the market storm. Without missing a beat, he answered: “Cash and fetal.”

I’m in both — because I know an unprecedented moment when I see one. I’ve been frightened for my country only a few times in my life: In 1962, when, even as a boy of 9, I followed the tension of the Cuban missile crisis; in 1963, with the assassination of J.F.K.; on Sept. 11, 2001; and on Monday, when the House Republicans brought down the bipartisan rescue package.

But this moment is the scariest of all for me because the previous three were all driven by real or potential attacks on the U.S. system by outsiders. This time, we are doing it to ourselves. This time, it’s our own failure to regulate our own financial system and to legislate the proper remedy that is doing us in.

I’ve always believed that America’s government was a unique political system — one designed by geniuses so that it could be run by idiots. I was wrong. No system can be smart enough to survive this level of incompetence and recklessness by the people charged to run it.

This is dangerous. We have House members, many of whom I suspect can’t balance their own checkbooks, rejecting a complex rescue package because some voters, whom I fear also don’t understand, swamped them with phone calls. I appreciate the popular anger against Wall Street, but you can’t deal with this crisis this way.

This is a credit crisis. It’s all about confidence. What you can’t see is how bank A will no longer lend to good company B or mortgage company C. Because no one is sure the other guy’s assets and collateral are worth anything, which is why the government needs to come in and put a floor under them. Otherwise, the system will be choked of credit, like a body being choked of oxygen and turning blue.

Well, you say, “I don’t own any stocks — let those greedy monsters on Wall Street suffer.” You may not own any stocks, but your pension fund owned some Lehman Brothers commercial paper and your regional bank held subprime mortgage bonds, which is why you were able refinance your house two years ago. And your local airport was insured by A.I.G., and your local municipality sold municipal bonds on Wall Street to finance your street’s new sewer system, and your local car company depended on the credit markets to finance your auto loan — and now that the credit market has dried up, Wachovia bank went bust and your neighbor lost her secretarial job there.

We’re all connected. As others have pointed out, you can’t save Main Street and punish Wall Street anymore than you can be in a rowboat with someone you hate and think that the leak in the bottom of the boat at his end is not going to sink you, too. The world really is flat. We’re all connected. “Decoupling” is pure fantasy.

I totally understand the resentment against Wall Street titans bringing home $60 million bonuses. But when the credit system is imperiled, as it is now, you have to focus on saving the system, even if it means bailing out people who don’t deserve it. Otherwise, you’re saying: I’m going to hold my breath until that Wall Street fat cat turns blue. But he’s not going to turn blue; you are, or we all are. We have to get this right.

My rabbi told this story at Rosh Hashana services on Tuesday: A frail 80-year-old mother is celebrating her birthday and her three sons each give her a present. Harry gives her a new house. Harvey gives her a new car and driver. And Bernie gives her a huge parrot that can recite the entire Torah. A week later, she calls her three sons together and says: “Harry, thanks for the nice house, but I only live in one room. Harvey, thanks for the nice car, but I can’t stand the driver. Bernie, thanks for giving your mother something she could really enjoy. That chicken was delicious.”

Message to Congress: Don’t get cute. Don’t give us something we don’t need. Don’t give us something designed to solve your political problems. Yes, Hank Paulson and Ben Bernanke need to accept strict oversights and the taxpayer must be guaranteed a share in the upside profits from all rescued banks. But other than that, give them the capital and the flexibility to put out this fire.

I always said to myself: Our government is so broken that it can only work in response to a huge crisis. But now we’ve had a huge crisis, and the system still doesn’t seem to work. Our leaders, Republicans and Democrats, have gotten so out of practice of working together that even in the face of this system-threatening meltdown they could not agree on a rescue package, as if they lived on Mars and were just visiting us for the week, with no stake in the outcome.

The story cannot end here. If it does, assume the fetal position.
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« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2008, 05:33:42 AM »
Rescue the Rescue
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN

I was channel surfing on Monday, following the stock market’s nearly 800-point collapse, when a commentator on CNBC caught my attention. He was being asked to give advice to viewers as to what were the best positions to be in to ride out the market storm. Without missing a beat, he answered: “Cash and fetal.”

I’m in both — because I know an unprecedented moment when I see one. I’ve been frightened for my country only a few times in my life: In 1962, when, even as a boy of 9, I followed the tension of the Cuban missile crisis; in 1963, with the assassination of J.F.K.; on Sept. 11, 2001; and on Monday, when the House Republicans brought down the bipartisan rescue package.

But this moment is the scariest of all for me because the previous three were all driven by real or potential attacks on the U.S. system by outsiders. This time, we are doing it to ourselves. This time, it’s our own failure to regulate our own financial system and to legislate the proper remedy that is doing us in.

I’ve always believed that America’s government was a unique political system — one designed by geniuses so that it could be run by idiots. I was wrong. No system can be smart enough to survive this level of incompetence and recklessness by the people charged to run it.

This is dangerous. We have House members, many of whom I suspect can’t balance their own checkbooks, rejecting a complex rescue package because some voters, whom I fear also don’t understand, swamped them with phone calls. I appreciate the popular anger against Wall Street, but you can’t deal with this crisis this way.

This is a credit crisis. It’s all about confidence. What you can’t see is how bank A will no longer lend to good company B or mortgage company C. Because no one is sure the other guy’s assets and collateral are worth anything, which is why the government needs to come in and put a floor under them. Otherwise, the system will be choked of credit, like a body being choked of oxygen and turning blue.

Well, you say, “I don’t own any stocks — let those greedy monsters on Wall Street suffer.” You may not own any stocks, but your pension fund owned some Lehman Brothers commercial paper and your regional bank held subprime mortgage bonds, which is why you were able refinance your house two years ago. And your local airport was insured by A.I.G., and your local municipality sold municipal bonds on Wall Street to finance your street’s new sewer system, and your local car company depended on the credit markets to finance your auto loan — and now that the credit market has dried up, Wachovia bank went bust and your neighbor lost her secretarial job there.

We’re all connected. As others have pointed out, you can’t save Main Street and punish Wall Street anymore than you can be in a rowboat with someone you hate and think that the leak in the bottom of the boat at his end is not going to sink you, too. The world really is flat. We’re all connected. “Decoupling” is pure fantasy.

I totally understand the resentment against Wall Street titans bringing home $60 million bonuses. But when the credit system is imperiled, as it is now, you have to focus on saving the system, even if it means bailing out people who don’t deserve it. Otherwise, you’re saying: I’m going to hold my breath until that Wall Street fat cat turns blue. But he’s not going to turn blue; you are, or we all are. We have to get this right.

My rabbi told this story at Rosh Hashana services on Tuesday: A frail 80-year-old mother is celebrating her birthday and her three sons each give her a present. Harry gives her a new house. Harvey gives her a new car and driver. And Bernie gives her a huge parrot that can recite the entire Torah. A week later, she calls her three sons together and says: “Harry, thanks for the nice house, but I only live in one room. Harvey, thanks for the nice car, but I can’t stand the driver. Bernie, thanks for giving your mother something she could really enjoy. That chicken was delicious.”

Message to Congress: Don’t get cute. Don’t give us something we don’t need. Don’t give us something designed to solve your political problems. Yes, Hank Paulson and Ben Bernanke need to accept strict oversights and the taxpayer must be guaranteed a share in the upside profits from all rescued banks. But other than that, give them the capital and the flexibility to put out this fire.

I always said to myself: Our government is so broken that it can only work in response to a huge crisis. But now we’ve had a huge crisis, and the system still doesn’t seem to work. Our leaders, Republicans and Democrats, have gotten so out of practice of working together that even in the face of this system-threatening meltdown they could not agree on a rescue package, as if they lived on Mars and were just visiting us for the week, with no stake in the outcome.

The story cannot end here. If it does, assume the fetal position.

The bottom line is that any bailout will flood the market with liquidity and thus inflate the dollar. How much more inflation do we want?
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« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2008, 05:34:44 AM »
The bottom line is that any bailout will flood the market with liquidity and thus inflate the dollar. How much more inflation do we want?
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« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2008, 05:36:38 AM »
nonsense

So where are they going to get the money from? 3 options: tax people, borrow it or print it.
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« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2008, 05:44:35 AM »
They will more then likely use all three. Inflation will get out of control. There is no easy way out evryone needs to buckle down and get ready for one shity ride....

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« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2008, 05:45:20 AM »
So where are they going to get the money from? 3 options: tax people, borrow it or print it.
And what are the American people going to do when we the credit markets seize up and Americans are basically on a cash-only basis?
Don't debate me on this dude. You're out of your league.  ;)

The Consumer and the Stock Market Storm
Will consumers stand fast or batten down the hatches? The health of the U.S. economy hangs in the balance
by David Bogoslaw

Only two months ago, the idea of crude oil falling below $100 a barrel and sharp drop in agricultural commodity prices would have seemed like a godsend to cash-strapped consumers. Gasoline and food prices have been slow to adjust to falling commodity prices, but that's probably not what is uppermost in consumers' minds right now. They may be more worried about their access to credit—and the health of the bank they stash their savings in—as the U.S. financial crisis has escalated in recent weeks.

With the defeat of the $700 billion financial rescue plan in the House of Representatives on Sept. 29, the fear now is that the longer the credit markets are forced to fester without a solution, the longer and deeper the economic recession the U.S. is likely soon to face. Congress is working on a revised version of the rescue bill, which is expected to pass within a week. But in a market environment where legendary institutions like Lehman Brothers disappear overnight, any financial-system rescue plan risks the patient expiring while waiting to be admitted to the emergency room.

Given the chill that has coursed through the credit system (BusinessWeek.com, 9/29/08), with banks denying requests for mortgage, home improvement, small business, and car loans left and right, it's not inconceivable that credit cards could be next. That would leave consumers with no source of cash except for their weekly paychecks, which in many cases are already pre-spent. Still unknown is to what extent the stability of credit cards may be affected by a handful of big commercial banks going under, but certainly banks are becoming less willing to let consumers run up bigger balances on their cards, says David Lockhart, consumer insights director at London-based Mintel International Groupin Chicago.

High and Dry
"That could be the next little thing that impacts individual consumers," says Lockhart. "I don't have a sense of how quickly that could happen. It seems it could happen fairly soon." That, plus the more remote possibility of payroll checks stopping if companies that rely on short-term credit from banks to meet payroll requirements start getting turned down, would leave consumers high and dry.

Lockhart doesn't believe most consumers are even aware of the broader implications of the credit freeze or the reasons behind the legislative battle over a rescue plan, however. "They'll respond [to the failure of the rescue bill] like they do to all major financial and policy initiatives, which is with long glazed stares," he says. Consumers have no connection to what's going on except for how it might affect the security of their bank accounts, he adds.

That's not what Richard Curtin, director of Consumer Confidence Surveys at the University of Michigan's Survey Research Center, is seeing in recent respondent data, which interviewers collect throughout the month. According to Curtin, 150, or 10%, of the survey's 1,500 respondents over the past three months, have reported having trouble getting a loan.

Slump in Confidence
"In the last week, we found confidence in the economy and how [consumers] expected the economy to behave have declined significantly," he says. "There's some evidence consumers have paid attention to this and are concerned about this." Just how worried consumers are will be reflected in the October numbers that the University of Michigan releases next week.

T.J. Marta, economic and fixed income strategist for RBC Capital Markets (RY) in New York, worries that a negative feedback loop might be forming, where short-term funding problems at Wall Street firms start to spread to companies and municipalities, prompting them to cut their workforce, which would then compound the pressure on consumers whose stores of personal wealth and access to credit have already eroded. "Consumers begin to retrench. That feeds back into corporations investing less and even cutting back on employees, and then you've got yourself in the loop," he says. "It's like a forest fire, It has to burn itself out. It's very hard to short-circuit these things. My fear with this bailout is it could psychologically unhinge the credit markets that are already very fragile."

While some sentiment indicators show signs of consumer confidence bottoming, that doesn't necessarily promise a rebound to healthy levels anytime soon, says Marta. "We could stay at the bottom for quite a while depending on what goes on with the financial situation," he says.

Unlike the Michigan survey, the RBC Index is based on surveys done over a three-day period once a month. The latest surveys were conducted during the weekend the Treasury stepped in to nationalize mortgage giants Fannie Mae (FNM) and Freddie Mac (FRE), before Lehman Brothers filed for bankruptcy and American International Group (AIG) was saved by an $85 billion federal bailout — the events that triggered new alarms in the financial crisis. That suggests the October confidence reading could revert back to the all-time low hit in July or even worse.

Dropping the Shopping
Battered confidence may already be evident in one of the more important consumer-facing sectors: retailing. This year's back-to-school season was especially weak, with August sales at stores open at least one year up 1.7% from last year but unchanged from a year ago when Wal-Mart Stores' (WMT) strong results were excluded, the International Council of Shopping Centers said in a Sept. 4 release. The National Retail Federation reported a 1.1% increase in August sales but a 0.4% decline when including non-general merchandise categories such as autos, gas stations, and restaurants.

Sales have fallen off sharply over the past couple of weeks, as consumers have had to grapple with a torrent of financial developments, says Lizabeth Dunn, a retail analyst at Thomas Weisel Partners (TWPG) in New York. "They figured out their money market funds aren't as safe as they thought, and now they have to be worry about which banks they have their money in," she says. "It's very unsettling." Continuing evaporation of home equity and further weakening on the jobs front are also causing turmoil for the average household, she adds.

The latest pullback in spending is "squarely tied to what's going on in the financial market," she says. Still, she doesn't think the recent drop-off in spending will turn into a new trend. Men's and children's segments have held up better than the women's segment, which has been harder hit because women's purchases tend to be more discretionary, while buying for kids and men is based more on necessity, she says. "You're seeing people on a broad scale delaying purchases. You delay home improvements and car purchases," she says. "If your normal replenishment cycle is every year, now maybe its every two years."

Stressed-Out Consumers
While Lockhart at Mintel doubts that consumer purchasing habits have changed with the escalation of events in the financial arena, he does believe that consumers are already as stressed as they can be. Still, the focus for most people is changes in prices and what happens in the financial markets "has no meaning for people until it gets down to the wallet level, and that's not likely to happen anytime soon," he says.

Even where people may still be shopping, they are falling increasingly behind in paying their bills. High-end department store chain Nordstrom's (JWN) latest data on its securitized credit-card receivables for August showed total delinquencies climbed 0.71% from a year ago, to 2.83% of total receivables, and were up 0.28% from July, according to a Sept. 15 research note by Credit Suisse (CS). Those were the largest upticks, on both a monthly and year-on-year basis since the data became publicly available in May 2007. Nordstrom is one of the few retailers that still owns the receivables of its credit-card business, which contributed 2% to the company's total earnings before taxes last year, analyst Michael Exstein said in the note.

Retailers' earnings in August implied a decline in the two-year trend for comparable sales, says Dunn at Thomas Weisel, who also says she's hearing that business has worsened in the last two weeks. So far, only one of the companies she covers — Cache (CACH)— has actually cut its profit outlook, but she cautions that not much should be read into that since Cache is a relatively small company.

Smaller retailers, such as Lululemon Athletica (LULU) and Urban Outfitters (URBN) continue to attract new customers and perform well. But as for bigger, more established retail names, "there aren't really any I see that are bucking the trend," she says.

You can bet that if consumers lose sleep in the next few weeks amid new developments in the bailout drama and financial crisis, the outfits that depend on their business will not be getting much rest either.
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« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2008, 08:25:41 AM »
I liked Rachel Maddow on the radio and even more on TV.

The right wing blow-holes should pay attention and they might actually learn something

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« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2008, 09:13:33 AM »
And what are the American people going to do when we the credit markets seize up and Americans are basically on a cash-only basis?Don't debate me on this dude. You're out of your league.  ;)

The Consumer and the Stock Market Storm
Will consumers stand fast or batten down the hatches? The health of the U.S. economy hangs in the balance
by David Bogoslaw

Only two months ago, the idea of crude oil falling below $100 a barrel and sharp drop in agricultural commodity prices would have seemed like a godsend to cash-strapped consumers. Gasoline and food prices have been slow to adjust to falling commodity prices, but that's probably not what is uppermost in consumers' minds right now. They may be more worried about their access to credit—and the health of the bank they stash their savings in—as the U.S. financial crisis has escalated in recent weeks.

With the defeat of the $700 billion financial rescue plan in the House of Representatives on Sept. 29, the fear now is that the longer the credit markets are forced to fester without a solution, the longer and deeper the economic recession the U.S. is likely soon to face. Congress is working on a revised version of the rescue bill, which is expected to pass within a week. But in a market environment where legendary institutions like Lehman Brothers disappear overnight, any financial-system rescue plan risks the patient expiring while waiting to be admitted to the emergency room.

Given the chill that has coursed through the credit system (BusinessWeek.com, 9/29/08), with banks denying requests for mortgage, home improvement, small business, and car loans left and right, it's not inconceivable that credit cards could be next. That would leave consumers with no source of cash except for their weekly paychecks, which in many cases are already pre-spent. Still unknown is to what extent the stability of credit cards may be affected by a handful of big commercial banks going under, but certainly banks are becoming less willing to let consumers run up bigger balances on their cards, says David Lockhart, consumer insights director at London-based Mintel International Groupin Chicago.

High and Dry
"That could be the next little thing that impacts individual consumers," says Lockhart. "I don't have a sense of how quickly that could happen. It seems it could happen fairly soon." That, plus the more remote possibility of payroll checks stopping if companies that rely on short-term credit from banks to meet payroll requirements start getting turned down, would leave consumers high and dry.

Lockhart doesn't believe most consumers are even aware of the broader implications of the credit freeze or the reasons behind the legislative battle over a rescue plan, however. "They'll respond [to the failure of the rescue bill] like they do to all major financial and policy initiatives, which is with long glazed stares," he says. Consumers have no connection to what's going on except for how it might affect the security of their bank accounts, he adds.

That's not what Richard Curtin, director of Consumer Confidence Surveys at the University of Michigan's Survey Research Center, is seeing in recent respondent data, which interviewers collect throughout the month. According to Curtin, 150, or 10%, of the survey's 1,500 respondents over the past three months, have reported having trouble getting a loan.

Slump in Confidence
"In the last week, we found confidence in the economy and how [consumers] expected the economy to behave have declined significantly," he says. "There's some evidence consumers have paid attention to this and are concerned about this." Just how worried consumers are will be reflected in the October numbers that the University of Michigan releases next week.

T.J. Marta, economic and fixed income strategist for RBC Capital Markets (RY) in New York, worries that a negative feedback loop might be forming, where short-term funding problems at Wall Street firms start to spread to companies and municipalities, prompting them to cut their workforce, which would then compound the pressure on consumers whose stores of personal wealth and access to credit have already eroded. "Consumers begin to retrench. That feeds back into corporations investing less and even cutting back on employees, and then you've got yourself in the loop," he says. "It's like a forest fire, It has to burn itself out. It's very hard to short-circuit these things. My fear with this bailout is it could psychologically unhinge the credit markets that are already very fragile."

While some sentiment indicators show signs of consumer confidence bottoming, that doesn't necessarily promise a rebound to healthy levels anytime soon, says Marta. "We could stay at the bottom for quite a while depending on what goes on with the financial situation," he says.

Unlike the Michigan survey, the RBC Index is based on surveys done over a three-day period once a month. The latest surveys were conducted during the weekend the Treasury stepped in to nationalize mortgage giants Fannie Mae (FNM) and Freddie Mac (FRE), before Lehman Brothers filed for bankruptcy and American International Group (AIG) was saved by an $85 billion federal bailout — the events that triggered new alarms in the financial crisis. That suggests the October confidence reading could revert back to the all-time low hit in July or even worse.

Dropping the Shopping
Battered confidence may already be evident in one of the more important consumer-facing sectors: retailing. This year's back-to-school season was especially weak, with August sales at stores open at least one year up 1.7% from last year but unchanged from a year ago when Wal-Mart Stores' (WMT) strong results were excluded, the International Council of Shopping Centers said in a Sept. 4 release. The National Retail Federation reported a 1.1% increase in August sales but a 0.4% decline when including non-general merchandise categories such as autos, gas stations, and restaurants.

Sales have fallen off sharply over the past couple of weeks, as consumers have had to grapple with a torrent of financial developments, says Lizabeth Dunn, a retail analyst at Thomas Weisel Partners (TWPG) in New York. "They figured out their money market funds aren't as safe as they thought, and now they have to be worry about which banks they have their money in," she says. "It's very unsettling." Continuing evaporation of home equity and further weakening on the jobs front are also causing turmoil for the average household, she adds.

The latest pullback in spending is "squarely tied to what's going on in the financial market," she says. Still, she doesn't think the recent drop-off in spending will turn into a new trend. Men's and children's segments have held up better than the women's segment, which has been harder hit because women's purchases tend to be more discretionary, while buying for kids and men is based more on necessity, she says. "You're seeing people on a broad scale delaying purchases. You delay home improvements and car purchases," she says. "If your normal replenishment cycle is every year, now maybe its every two years."

Stressed-Out Consumers
While Lockhart at Mintel doubts that consumer purchasing habits have changed with the escalation of events in the financial arena, he does believe that consumers are already as stressed as they can be. Still, the focus for most people is changes in prices and what happens in the financial markets "has no meaning for people until it gets down to the wallet level, and that's not likely to happen anytime soon," he says.

Even where people may still be shopping, they are falling increasingly behind in paying their bills. High-end department store chain Nordstrom's (JWN) latest data on its securitized credit-card receivables for August showed total delinquencies climbed 0.71% from a year ago, to 2.83% of total receivables, and were up 0.28% from July, according to a Sept. 15 research note by Credit Suisse (CS). Those were the largest upticks, on both a monthly and year-on-year basis since the data became publicly available in May 2007. Nordstrom is one of the few retailers that still owns the receivables of its credit-card business, which contributed 2% to the company's total earnings before taxes last year, analyst Michael Exstein said in the note.

Retailers' earnings in August implied a decline in the two-year trend for comparable sales, says Dunn at Thomas Weisel, who also says she's hearing that business has worsened in the last two weeks. So far, only one of the companies she covers — Cache (CACH)— has actually cut its profit outlook, but she cautions that not much should be read into that since Cache is a relatively small company.

Smaller retailers, such as Lululemon Athletica (LULU) and Urban Outfitters (URBN) continue to attract new customers and perform well. But as for bigger, more established retail names, "there aren't really any I see that are bucking the trend," she says.

You can bet that if consumers lose sleep in the next few weeks amid new developments in the bailout drama and financial crisis, the outfits that depend on their business will not be getting much rest either.

They are going to have to deal with it. Americans are addicted to easy money and easy credit and they need to weaned off of it. How is Korea these days? And why are you a homophobe?
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