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Of course, we have established that it's not vaild science in any case.
Thanks a lot for your answers. Giving my history with supps, I think I'm done with them for now.
Maybe I'll try again when more decisive studies are available.

Your not even aware of what studies exist and i doubt you actively search pubmed for new studies. Unless this is something you are going to start doing?

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We see a lot of that here (and everywhere) too don't we 

usmokepole,
Could you eventually post a new topic with a brief lesson on how to effectively use pubmed as a research tool for the average Joe?

yes i can do this no problem. I'll do it over the next couple days.

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Your not even aware of what studies exist and i doubt you actively search pubmed for new studies. Unless this is something you are going to start doing?

I won't at this point. I have done my research in the past. Maybe I will again in the future.
For now, I have played the guinea pig long enough. Maybe I would be more willing if at least one single supplement would have shown any effect on me.

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I won't at this point. I have done my research in the past. Maybe I will again in the future.
For now, I have played the guinea pig long enough. Maybe I would be more willing if at least one single supplement would have shown any effect on me.

sure try caffeine, you should notice and effect pretty quickly.

try geranamine in AMP, quite the stimulant in my books. Surely caffeine or ephedrine have shown effects. What about belladonna have you tried that, i bet you would notice effects from that

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sure try caffeine, you should notice and effect pretty quickly.

try geranamine in AMP, quite the stimulant in my books. Surely caffeine or ephedrine have shown effects. What about belladonna have you tried that, i bet you would notice effects from that

That's a bit of a cheap shot. In my posts you can see that I said I agree that E, C, and A have an effect, just like e.g. cardio. The question was not if there are supps which have any effect at all, the question was, do they have the effects desired for bodybuilding. I never tried E, but C and A did not improve the ratio of fat loss vs. muscle loss at the same rate of weight loss (than without them) for me.