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The Best Oils
« on: October 01, 2008, 06:15:31 AM »
by  David Mendosa
Tuesday, September 16, 2008

Almost everyone says that organic, cold pressed, extra virgin olive oil is best for salads and for cooking. But almost everyone is wrong.

Of course, you could do a lot worse. Some oils are high in trans fats. Some may be contaminated with pesticides. Some knowledgeable people even have serious doubts about canola oil.

"Canola oil is a poisonous substance, an industrial oil that does not belong in the body," write Sally Fallow and Mary G. Enig, PhD, in "The Great Con-ola."

The problem with olive oil is that it has an unfavorable omega 6 to omega 3 ratio. It has about 12 or 13 times as much omega 6 fats as omega 3.

High oleic sunflower oil has an even worse omega 6 to omega 3 ratio -- 19 to 1 (regular sunflower oil is 200 to 1), according to a valuable table in Susan Allport's book The Queen of Fats: Why Omega-3s Were Removed from the Western Diet and What We Can Do to Replace Them. Corn and palm oil each have a 46 to 1 ratio.

Two of the better oils, walnut and soybean, have 5 to 1 and 7 to 1 ratios respectively. The worst are safflower oil, which has no omega 3 at all, and cottonseed oil, 259 to 1.

With all the publicity about the importance of omega 3 oils for our health, we are eating more fatty fish like sardines and salmon and taking fish oil or krill oil capsules. That helps to improve our omega 6 to omega 3 ratio. But it leaves out the other side of the equation -- the need almost all of us have to reduce how much omega 6 oil we use.

Whether we have diabetes or enjoy perfect health, we can do our bodies a great favor when we concentrate on reducing our omega 6 intake. We can reduce our risk of heart disease and certain forms of cancer. A lower omega 6 to omega 3 ratio also reduces inflammation.

By reducing and eventually eliminating junk food from our diet we can improve that ratio the most. But even a so-called healthy diet is out of balance.

"The ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 in the typical American today stands at more than 10 to 1," writes Michael Pollan in his book, In Defense of Food. "Before the widespread introduction of seed oils at the turn of the last century, the ratio was closer to 3 to 1."

Our paleolithic ancestors may have had an even closer ratio. "The ratio of omega 6 to omega 3 fats in Paleo diets was about 2 to 1," writes Loren Cordain in his book, The Paleo Diet.

Professor Cordain writes that, "For the Paleo Diet, you should try to achieve an overall balance of dietary fats from all foods, in which the omega 6 to omega 3 fat ratio is less than about 3 to 1, preferably closer to 2 to 1."

"The best way to do this is to eat fish and seafood regularly and to use good kinds of oils," he continues. "Flaxseed oil is, hands down, the best oil for you. It contains a very low omega 6 to omega 3 ratio of 0.24."

Certainly, flaxseed oil is the best oil for salad dressing. I like my own flaxseed vinaigrette dressing better than any store-bought dressing I ever found. It's absolutely worth the extra two to three minutes it takes.

For starters, I use a garlic press to mash a clove of garlic. Then I add a little salt, a dollop of Grey Poupon Dijon mustard, and rub them together with a spoon. I use a double splash of the best vinegar that I can find. My current favorite is B.R. Cohn's Raspberry Champagne Vinegar, which some Whole Foods stores carry. Then, I add a double splash of flaxseed oil and mix them up. While the traditional proportion of oil to vinegar is 3 to 1, I have come to prefer a ratio of about 1 to 1. Finally, I add some freshly ground pepper. Wonderful!

But flaxseed oil isn't perfect. The better known problem is that it quickly goes rancid. That's why stores usually sell it from refrigerated cases.

The second problem tripped me up. I baked my fish with it. Bad idea. Several websites wised me up.

So, what's the best oil to use in cooking?

After flaxseed oil, the oil with the best omega 6 to omega 3 ratio is perilla oil. Until I read about it in Professor Cordain's book, I had never heard of it.

"Perilla oil (made from the Asian Beefsteak plant) has a healthful omega 6 to omega 3 ratio of 0.27," he writes. "But is rarely found in the United States except for stores specializing in Korean and Chinese foods. Get if if you can."

I can't. My local Asian store is currently out of perilla oil. The only Internet sources that I've found sell it in capsule form.

If I ever find perilla oil, I wonder how much I'll like its taste. "In parts of Asia, perilla oil is used as an edible oil that is valued more for its medicinal benefit than its flavor," Wikipedia says.

Meanwhile, I cook with a great tasting oil that I discovered thanks to Regina Wilshire's "Weight of the Evidence" blog. She has a great post about how much omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids are in a food or oil.

That brought macadamia nut oil to my attention. While it has little omega 3 or omega 6 oil, its ratio is just fine -- 1 to 1. I now use it on fish when I bake it.

http://www.healthcentral.com/diabetes/c/17/41190/oils

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Re: The Best Oils
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2008, 11:02:09 AM »
Our paleo-ancestors' life expectancy wasn't nearly what ours is today. 

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Re: The Best Oils
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2008, 01:12:53 PM »
Translation: we still have no fockin' clue about anything.

Nutrition Science. ::)
180 degrees every year.

Tasty fats are good fats, how about that for a theory?

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Re: The Best Oils
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2008, 02:31:52 PM »
Translation: we still have no fockin' clue about anything.

Nutrition Science. ::)
180 degrees every year.

Tasty fats are good fats, how about that for a theory?
Not true. Your implying that fat=fat. Nope.

Omega-3 is very different than omega-6. Omega 6 is very different than omega-9. omega 9 is very different ffrom saturates, and saturates are very different from trans-fats.

The omega-3's DHA, EPA, and ALA all have different effects.

The omega-6 GLA is extremely different than the omega-6 AA.

Omega-9 monounsturates are different than omega-9 polyunsaturates.


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« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2008, 03:48:34 PM »
Not true. Your implying that fat=fat. Nope.

Omega-3 is very different than omega-6. Omega 6 is very different than omega-9. omega 9 is very different ffrom saturates, and saturates are very different from trans-fats.

The omega-3's DHA, EPA, and ALA all have different effects.

The omega-6 GLA is extremely different than the omega-6 AA.

Omega-9 monounsturates are different than omega-9 polyunsaturates.

That was not my point. My point was that a better method in determining what is healthy for me is what tastes better rather than what nutrition science says it is. At least the former is pretty consistent while the latter changes every year. Plus the advantage of eating what tasted good is - well, it tastes good. :)

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« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2008, 04:06:01 PM »
My point was that a better method in determining what is healthy for me is what tastes better rather than what nutrition science says it is.
No.

You can have your own nutritional theories and ideas but please dont post inaccurate things and represent them as valid.

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Re: The Best Oils
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2008, 05:45:59 PM »
Fish oil and coconut oil.


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Re: The Best Oils
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2008, 06:04:14 AM »
Nutrition Science. ::)
180 degrees every year.

lol! so true :D

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Re: The Best Oils
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2008, 06:11:15 AM »
Fish oil and coconut oil.


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The author agrees that fish oil is the best, but not so good for salads and cooking.  He says Flaxseed is best for salads, but not so good for cooking.  Perilla oil and macadamia nut oil are best for cooking.  He bases this mainly on the Omega 6 to Omega 3 ratio.

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« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2008, 06:39:33 AM »
The author agrees that fish oil is the best, but not so good for salads and cooking.  He says Flaxseed is best for salads, but not so good for cooking.  Perilla oil and macadamia nut oil are best for cooking.  He bases this mainly on the Omega 6 to Omega 3 ratio.
im sorry, u know what i forgot mac nut oil, which is awesome for cooking or anything else ( it taste pretty good ). Also evoo is great.

So updated list

fish oil
mac nut oil
evoo
coconut oil......

There u go, if u took those oils on a regular basis, you'd have all your ends covered :)

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« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2008, 06:59:49 AM »
im sorry, u know what i forgot mac nut oil, which is awesome for cooking or anything else ( it taste pretty good ). Also evoo is great.

So updated list

fish oil
mac nut oil
evoo
coconut oil......

There u go, if u took those oils on a regular basis, you'd have all your ends covered :)

Thanks!  I'm going to give macadamia nut oil a try. 

You might disagree, but David Mendosa says evoo(Extra Virgin Olive Oil) is not the best, not bad, but not the best.

"The problem with olive oil is that it has an unfavorable omega 6 to omega 3 ratio. It has about 12 or 13 times as much omega 6 fats as omega 3."

But macadamia nut oil "While it has little omega 3 or omega 6 oil, its ratio is just fine -- 1 to 1"

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Re: The Best Oils
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2008, 07:15:15 AM »
Not true. Your implying that fat=fat. Nope.

Omega-3 is very different than omega-6. Omega 6 is very different than omega-9. omega 9 is very different ffrom saturates, and saturates are very different from trans-fats.

The omega-3's DHA, EPA, and ALA all have different effects.

The omega-6 GLA is extremely different than the omega-6 AA.

Omega-9 monounsturates are different than omega-9 polyunsaturates.



Who here was the "Fats" guru and then resigned.

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Re: The Best Oils
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2008, 07:19:18 AM »
by  David Mendosa
Tuesday, September 16, 2008

Almost everyone says that organic, cold pressed, extra virgin olive oil is best for salads and for cooking. But almost everyone is wrong.

Of course, you could do a lot worse. Some oils are high in trans fats. Some may be contaminated with pesticides. Some knowledgeable people even have serious doubts about canola oil.

As the guy who introduced flax oil to the bbing world, I am a big fan of flax oil. However, this person over states its benefits, and makes many factual mistakes regarding the other fats. Yes, most people eats far too much n-6 lipids and not enough n-3 lipids. No new news there, but olive oil is beneficial (plenty of data to support that) and saturated fats have their place too. It's also possible to eat too much n-3 fats if you were to follow this guys hysteria over other fats. Two, the issue is as much about processed fats, trans fats, etc as it is about the n-6/n-3 ratios. Yes, canola is highly processed junk oil and should generally be avoid as a high % of cals in a person's diet, but calling it a "poison" is stretching it a bit.... ::)

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Re: The Best Oils
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2008, 07:23:25 AM »
Thanks!  I'm going to give macadamia nut oil a try. 

You might disagree, but David Mendosa says evoo(Extra Virgin Olive Oil) is not the best, not bad, but not the best.

"The problem with olive oil is that it has an unfavorable omega 6 to omega 3 ratio. It has about 12 or 13 times as much omega 6 fats as omega 3."

But macadamia nut oil "While it has little omega 3 or omega 6 oil, its ratio is just fine -- 1 to 1"

no i totally agree with you, olive oil isnt the best option. But mac nut oil is really hard to find. So most people "have" to go with evoo, which is alright and will do the job just fine. Just dont cook with it, the heat fucks it up. just throw it  on  your veggies or food when it comes off the stove.

And about the ratio's, u dont have to be so anal about everything, just make sure your getting all your bases covered, that your getting a good amount of omega 3's and  your heart healthy monounsaturated fats like mac nut oil or olive oil everyday, dont really worry about omega 6's cos ur going to get plenty of those through your normal diet ( eggs, meats, grains, are all packed with omega 6's )

Hope that helps :)

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Re: The Best Oils
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2008, 07:32:12 AM »
As the guy who introduced flax oil to the bbing world, I am a big fan of flax oil. However, this person over states its benefits, and makes many factual mistakes regarding the other fats. Yes, most people eats far too much n-6 lipids and not enough n-3 lipids. No new news there, but olive oil is beneficial (plenty of data to support that) and saturated fats have their place too. It's also possible to eat too much n-3 fats if you were to follow this guys hysteria over other fats. Two, the issue is as much about processed fats, trans fats, etc as it is about the n-6/n-3 ratios. Yes, canola is highly processed junk oil and should generally be avoid as a high % of cals in a person's diet, but calling it a "poison" is stretching it a bit.... ::)

Thanks Brink!  Yeah, I know even saturaged fats have their place in bodybuilding.  Mendosa is a diabetic and a lot of his info. is mostly for diabetics.  I respect the guy because he is always researching this stuff, but I don't take what he says as the gospel.  I believe he was the first one to post the GI table on the Internet back in the 90s, but I could be wrong.  I apreaciate your feedback.

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« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2008, 07:40:14 AM »
no i totally agree with you, olive oil isnt the best option. But mac nut oil is really hard to find. So most people "have" to go with evoo, which is alright and will do the job just fine. Just dont cook with it, the heat fucks it up. just throw it  on  your veggies or food when it comes off the stove.

And about the ratio's, u dont have to be so anal about everything, just make sure your getting all your bases covered, that your getting a good amount of omega 3's and  your heart healthy monounsaturated fats like mac nut oil or olive oil everyday, dont really worry about omega 6's cos ur going to get plenty of those through your normal diet ( eggs, meats, grains, are all packed with omega 6's )

Hope that helps :)

It helps!  Thanks!

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Re: The Best Oils
« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2008, 07:41:14 AM »
Thanks Brink!  Yeah, I know even saturaged fats have their place in bodybuilding.

In a healthy diet period. Studies also suggest it's not just total fat that keeps T levels up, but saturated fats play an essential role there. My advice has always been to follow my one third rule: 3d n-3 rich oils (flax, fish, etc), 3d mono unsaturated rich oils (olive), and final 3d as saturated, with total fat being approx 30% of cals.


Mendosa is a diabetic and a lot of his info. is mostly for diabetics.  I respect the guy because he is always researching this stuff, but I don't take what he says as the gospel.  I believe he was the first one to post the GI table on the Internet back in the 90s, but I could be wrong.  I apreaciate your feedback.

I think you're right about the GI thing, but not sure either. He's well known for having extensive GI info up a long time ago, that's for sure.

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« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2008, 08:56:20 AM »
No.

You can have your own nutritional theories and ideas but please dont post inaccurate things and represent them as valid.

What is your definition of "inaccurate" and "valid"?
Science is only the attempt of describing a very small aspect of the world.
You may subscribe to the current nutritional theories or not.
None of it is "accurate" or "valid" in a holistic sense.
Not even in the scientifc sense, with theories going against each other all the time.

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« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2008, 09:28:38 AM »
What is your definition of "inaccurate" and "valid"?
Science is only the attempt of describing a very small aspect of the world.
You may subscribe to the current nutritional theories or not.
None of it is "accurate" or "valid" in a holistic sense.
Not even in the scientifc sense, with theories going against each other all the time.
It is inaccurate to say "a better way to determine what oil is healthy is based on how good it tastes"

taste does not = health

in fact alot of times its quite the opposite..  :D

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« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2008, 09:30:08 AM »
It is inaccurate to say "a better way to determine what oil is healthy is based on how good it tastes"

taste does not = health

in fact alot of times its quite the opposite..  :D

To me personally, it is always quite the opposite.     :'(

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« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2008, 10:20:00 AM »
It is inaccurate to say "a better way to determine what oil is healthy is based on how good it tastes"

taste does not = health

in fact alot of times its quite the opposite..  :D

How is that inaccurate? If you compare it to the nutritional theories of the last century, even of the last few decades, you will find both theories that match that method and theories that don't.

What I think is unhealthy is a low variety of foods and eating things you hate. I love olives, poppy seeds, sesame seeds, flax seeds, nuts, fish, but also burgers, cheese, eggs, fries, etc. So that's what I eat in terms of fats.

If you rely on nutrition science alone, you could as well flip a coin.
Science always only describes certain aspects of a human beeing. It doesn't explain anything.
Moreover, in case of nutrition science, even this restricted description changes every year.

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« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2008, 10:30:18 AM »
How is that inaccurate? If you compare it to the nutritional theories of the last century, even of the last few decades, you will find both theories that match that method and theories that don't.

What I think is unhealthy is a low variety of foods and eating things you hate. I love olives, poppy seeds, sesame seeds, flax seeds, nuts, fish, but also burgers, cheese, eggs, fries, etc. So that's what I eat in terms of fats.

If you rely on nutrition science alone, you could as well flip a coin.
Science always only describes certain aspects of a human beeing. It doesn't explain anything.
Moreover, in case of nutrition science, even this restricted description changes every year.

I do love coffee.  I have been drinking it since I was five years old.  For years I was told that coffee would stain my teeth and that it was bad for my health.  Neither one of those bad things has happened yet, and now I see all these new studies coming out praising the health benefits from drinking lots of coffee.  I guess it is good that that I never stopped drinking it.

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« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2008, 12:11:20 PM »
I do love coffee.  I have been drinking it since I was five years old.  For years I was told that coffee would stain my teeth and that it was bad for my health.  Neither one of those bad things has happened yet, and now I see all these new studies coming out praising the health benefits from drinking lots of coffee.  I guess it is good that that I never stopped drinking it.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. I was taught that coffee ruins my nervous system, red wine is a cell poison which will kill me, spinach was the healthiest thing on earth, butter and egg yolks will give me a heart attack, etc. It changes every year, completely unreliable.

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« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2008, 12:27:11 PM »
What is the best oil for taking a dump? ???
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