11 reasons not to vote for Barry

[mightymouse72]

Frank Marshall Davis – an Obama mentor and member of Communist Party USA

Rev Wright – ‘nuf said

Martin Klonsky – He received $75,000 from the William Ayers-Obama led Annenberg Project and maintained a blog on Obama’s website that was scrubbed on June 26, 2008. Klonsky was one of the most destructive hardline Maoists in the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) in the late 60's who emerged from SDS to form a pro-Chinese sect called the October League that later became the Beijing-recognized Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist). As chairman, Klonsky travelled to Beijing in 1977 and, literally, toasted the Chinese stalinist leadership who, in turn, recognized the group as the US Maoist party.

William Ayers – Self professed, unrepentant terrorist, who bombed government buildings and still regrets not wreaking more havoc.

Tony Rezko – Donated at least $250,000 to Obama while refusing to turn on the heat for the poor souls living in his slums. These slums are in the district represented by Obama. See it for yourself in vivid detail: http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2008/07/let-me-put-it-in-pictures-for-our.html Rezko also helped Obama get some sweetheart real estate deals not available to us commoners.

James Meeks – a Rev Wright clone

Rashid Khalidi – Supports the Palestine Liberation Organization, designated a terrorist organization by the State Department. Obama gave a Khalidi organization a $70,000 grant. Khalidi has raised funds for Obama.

Raila Odinga – Kenyan politician backed by Obama. A violent, dangerous man who made a pact with the Muslims to institute sharia. Obama's bias for his fellow Luo was so blatant that a Kenya government spokesman denounced Obama during his visit as Raila's "stooge." Full story here: http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/01/obamas-oginga-o.html

Abu Marzook – Not a direct connection but an important piece of the Obama puzzle. The “Brains” behind and a member of Hamas, whose terrorist manifesto was published by Trinity United on July 22, 2007, while Obama was a member. Like Colonel Klink Obama claims “I know nothing!”

Allison Davis – Another real sweetheart and friend of Obama & Rezko

Nadhami Auchi – Another friend of Rezko & Obama: http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/26/typical-chicago-politics-will-come-back-to-haunt-obama/


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Can anyone answer the question:  What if these were John McCain's associations??

[big L dawg]

[Soul Crusher]

Frank Marshall Davis – an Obama mentor and member of Communist Party USA

Rev Wright – ‘nuf said

Martin Klonsky – He received $75,000 from the William Ayers-Obama led Annenberg Project and maintained a blog on Obama’s website that was scrubbed on June 26, 2008. Klonsky was one of the most destructive hardline Maoists in the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) in the late 60's who emerged from SDS to form a pro-Chinese sect called the October League that later became the Beijing-recognized Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist). As chairman, Klonsky travelled to Beijing in 1977 and, literally, toasted the Chinese stalinist leadership who, in turn, recognized the group as the US Maoist party.

William Ayers – Self professed, unrepentant terrorist, who bombed government buildings and still regrets not wreaking more havoc.

Tony Rezko – Donated at least $250,000 to Obama while refusing to turn on the heat for the poor souls living in his slums. These slums are in the district represented by Obama. See it for yourself in vivid detail: http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2008/07/let-me-put-it-in-pictures-for-our.html Rezko also helped Obama get some sweetheart real estate deals not available to us commoners.

James Meeks – a Rev Wright clone

Rashid Khalidi – Supports the Palestine Liberation Organization, designated a terrorist organization by the State Department. Obama gave a Khalidi organization a $70,000 grant. Khalidi has raised funds for Obama.

Raila Odinga – Kenyan politician backed by Obama. A violent, dangerous man who made a pact with the Muslims to institute sharia. Obama's bias for his fellow Luo was so blatant that a Kenya government spokesman denounced Obama during his visit as Raila's "stooge." Full story here: http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/01/obamas-oginga-o.html

Abu Marzook – Not a direct connection but an important piece of the Obama puzzle. The “Brains” behind and a member of Hamas, whose terrorist manifesto was published by Trinity United on July 22, 2007, while Obama was a member. Like Colonel Klink Obama claims “I know nothing!”

Allison Davis – Another real sweetheart and friend of Obama & Rezko

Nadhami Auchi – Another friend of Rezko & Obama: http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/26/typical-chicago-politics-will-come-back-to-haunt-obama/


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Can anyone answer the question:  What if these were John McCain's associations??

The clowns are soon going to show up and attack you.

[Hugo Chavez]

1 reason not to vote for McCain

Neocons must be fucking stopped.

[240 is Back]

1 reason not to vote for McCain

Neocons must be fucking stopped.

you don't think they've done an awesome job the last 8 years?

2 unending wars, 911, no WMD, iran going nuclear, record gas/oil prices, market about to crash, $700 bil bailout...

Isn't it funny that there are people here who think this is 'all good'?

[2ND COMING]

1 reason not to vote for McCain

Neocons must be fucking stopped.

good call sir

[Hugo Chavez]

you don't think they've done an awesome job the last 8 years?

2 unending wars, 911, no WMD, iran going nuclear, record gas/oil prices, market about to crash, $700 bil bailout...

Isn't it funny that there are people here who think this is 'all good'?

lol... Police the world and Nationbuild... yippie!!!  10% of what it's costing us to do this, they could have covertly nabbed up everyone responsible for 9/11.  But for some reason, I'm thinking that was never the goal.

[Buffgeek]

you don't think they've done an awesome job the last 8 years?

2 unending wars, 911, no WMD, iran going nuclear, record gas/oil prices, market about to crash, $700 bil bailout...

Isn't it funny that there are people here who think this is 'all good'?

You gotta be kidding me blaming Republicans on 911. No one would have allowed preemptive action pre-911. They woulda been crucified.

Iran would have went nuclear regardless. The whole reason we went in to Iraq was because everyone thought he had them. That is why the UN Secuirty council passed the resolution for action. Sadaam was posturing because he was afraid that it might be exposed that didnt have them and it would make him look weak.

Iraq war GREATLY destabilized the region, but I doubt this would have prevented Iran from getting nukes. The only angle I can see otherwise is how deep russia was in bed with Iraq.


Gas Oil prices...... Did the republicans control the number of producers of oil and then tell china to start dramatically increasing the worldwide consumption of oil?  Also you have to factor in Environmental conscerns. With the whole world freaking about global warming, how does that impact the regulations thus driving the cost up as well?  Throw in the weak dollar of which of course is all the republicans fault and there you go.


Market crash there is plenty of blame to go arounds. this is not just a republican issue.

[Straw Man]

You gotta be kidding me blaming Republicans on 911. No one would have allowed preemptive action pre-911. They woulda been crucified.

Iran would have went nuclear regardless. The whole reason we went in to Iraq was because everyone thought he had them. That is why the UN Secuirty council passed the resolution for action. Sadaam was posturing because he was afraid that it might be exposed that didnt have them and it would make him look weak.

Iraq war GREATLY destabilized the region, but I doubt this would have prevented Iran from getting nukes. The only angle I can see otherwise is how deep russia was in bed with Iraq.


Gas Oil prices...... Did the republicans control the number of producers of oil and then tell china to start dramatically increasing the worldwide consumption of oil?  Also you have to factor in Environmental conscerns. With the whole world freaking about global warming, how does that impact the regulations thus driving the cost up as well?  Throw in the weak dollar of which of course is all the republicans fault and there you go.


Market crash there is plenty of blame to go arounds. this is not just a republican issue.

pre-emptive?

Do you mean actually responding to all the intelligence rather than just ignoring it all?

[Buffgeek]

pre-emptive?

Do you mean actually responding to all the intelligence rather than just ignoring it all?

Oh you mean like the previous president? 

[OzmO]

1 reason not to vote for McCain:

Bush.    Nuff said.    lol

[Hugo Chavez]

You gotta be kidding me blaming Republicans on 911. No one would have allowed preemptive action pre-911. They woulda been crucified.

don't twist it into something he didn't even say.  Neither of us suggested that from what we said.  It's about these wacky neocon policies/doctrines they were drooling over and couldn't wait for the opportunity to impliment.  9/11 gave them their shot to put their plans in motion. 

[Eyeball Chambers]

1 reason not to vote for McCain

Neocons must be fucking stopped.

[w8tlftr]

Yay two party system! 

[Eyeball Chambers]

Yay two party system! 

The right thing to do is vote for Ron Paul or Barr, I know.  Just can't stand the thought of four more years of Bush... 

[Buffgeek]

don't twist it into something he didn't even say.  Neither of us suggested that from what we said.  It's about these wacky neocon policies/doctrines they were drooling over and couldn't wait for the opportunity to impliment.  9/11 gave them their shot to put their plans in motion. 

unending wars, 911, no WMD, iran going nuclear, record gas/oil prices, market about to crash, $700 bil bailout...

I was just responding to what he said guy.

and about these policies. At what length would you go to protect your citizens if you were president? After what happened so easily under our noses.

[Hugo Chavez]

I was just responding to what he said guy.

and about these policies. At what length would you go to protect your citizens if you were president? After what happened so easily under our noses.

you said how can he blame republicans for 9/11.  I'm telling you the point of mentioning 9/11 in conjunction with his reply to me on neocons isn't simplified to just blaming republicans for 9/11.  It's what they did with 9/11 not even looking at the potential of a CT, which we both subscribe to in some degree but not in a sense that just "blames republicans" for it happening.  The major point for this is what they did with 9/11.  The context found in that the post was a reply to my points.

[Buffgeek]

Alright then what do you do to protect the american people after something like that happens? How do you stop it form happening again?

[Eyeball Chambers]

How do you stop it form happening again?

Step 1. Don't investigate the terrorist attack to learn who attacked us, why they did it, and how they did it.

Step 2. Start a war with a country in the region which had no involvement, creating many, many, many, more terrorists in the process.  While supporting the country where the supposed hijackers were from.

Well, that's Bush's way at least... 

[Hugo Chavez]

Alright then what do you do to protect the american people after something like that happens? How do you stop it form happening again?

well, I don't think you pop up and announce an axis of evil, start attacking countries changing regimes and nation building, policing the world and demanding everyone do it our way or be against us etc etc.  I don't think you start new arms races by backing out of missile treaties.  I don't think you negotiate by telling the world there is only one answer, our answer.  I don't think torture or even the appearance of torture helps us at all.  Like I said earlier, a fraction of what we've spent on all this stuff, we could be tracking down the people responsible, we'd probably have seen them all hung by now, which I doubt was ever priority.  Priority seems to have been to impliment the PNAC goals written before 9/11.  I think what we do by bombing the fuck out of everyone is to further radicalize populations.  I think these guys have increased the number of people who would love nothing more than to see us dead.

[The Coach]

RPF...so they kill 3000 of our people on our turf and we just turn our backs....is that what your saying??

[Buffgeek]

well, I don't think you pop up and announce an axis of evil, start attacking countries changing regimes and nation building, policing the world and demanding everyone do it our way or be against us etc etc.  I don't think you start new arms races by backing out of missile treaties.  I don't think you negotiate by telling the world there is only one answer, our answer.  I don't think torture or even the appearance of torture helps us at all.  Like I said earlier, a fraction of what we've spent on all this stuff, we could be tracking down the people responsible, we'd probably have seen them all hung by now, which I doubt was ever priority.  Priority seems to have been to impliment the PNAC goals written before 9/11.  I think what we do by bombing the fuck out of everyone is to further radicalize populations.  I think these guys have increased the number of people who would love nothing more than to see us dead.

Didnt ask what you wouldnt do . I think we have established that.

What do you do to protect the american people after something like that happens? How do you stop it from happening again?

[Eyeball Chambers]

RPF...so they kill 3000 of our people on our turf and we just turn our backs....is that what your saying??

Almost all the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi's, none were Iraqi.  The Iraq war accomplished absolutely nothing except increasing the number of Terrorists worldwide and running our country into debt.

[Hugo Chavez]

Didnt ask what you wouldnt do . I think we have established that.

What do you do to protect the american people after something like that happens? How do you stop it from happening again?

I said.  It's in there.  Same thing I said before!  Instead of doing all this crap, they should have went straight at the people responsible and hung their asses by now, case over, instead they said, oh cool, we can do all the shit we fantasized about at PNAC.  which they did, almost item for item.  If I had to add to it, one of the things that should have been done ASAP is to have new buildings at ground zero.  That's pathetic, I would have gotten dictator like on that shit.  All this crap has shown how a small group of people can get the world's greatest power flipping out for years in a major meltdown.  Brilliant, tells all radicals that if you pull off a good attack, "everything changes" for that country. Bush and the neocons made these idiots famous.  The real thing to do would be to make sure they didn't change anything instead of sending the message that everything changes by attacking us.  One looks indestructible, one looks able to manipulate.

[OzmO]

Almost all the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi's, none were Iraqi.  The Iraq war accomplished absolutely nothing except increasing the number of Terrorists worldwide and running our country into debt.

Living in reality can be brutal if you are a BUSH lover.