safest but most effective cycle...

[theworm]

for a relative beginner/intermediate:

test 500 x 15 weeks deca 300 x 12 weeks,,,with correct PCT.

Discuss.

[4thAD]

add some dbol/tbol to the mix if were talking effectiveness. Very safe cycle for a beginner, although I recommend first time gear users use test only!

[Rimbaud]

add some dbol/tbol to the mix if were talking effectiveness. Very safe cycle for a beginner, although I recommend first time gear users use test only!

I would have to agree with you there.

[iron_dawg]

my first cycle was test only cycle 400mg per week Brovel-Testosterona

[theworm]

my first cycle was test only cycle 400mg per week Brovel-Testosterona

what were your results?  keepable?

[Nicrah]

My cycle history is as follows.

1st - 500mg Test E x 15 weeks - 50mg Dbol ED x 8 weeks - went from 195lbs - 205lbs (kept all of it)

2nd - 50mg Test Prop 3 times per week 8 weeks - winny 50mg ED x 8 weeks - Tren Ace 75mg E3D x 8 weeks - 205lbs (12% bodyfat) - 207lbs (7% bodyfat)

3rd - 500mg Test Cyp x 10 weeks (so far), 500mg EQ x 10 weeks (again, so far), and 60mg Tbol ED x 4 weeks (two more to go) - 205lbs (12% BF) - 222lbs (10% BF)

[tolliscd]

THis is for intermediate user with several cycles under his belt. As someone stated before a first time user can get by fine on test alone. I think my first was 300mgs test from brovel back in the day. The old Testosterona which meant i was actually probably taking 100mgs. Underdosed shit.

Safest i would go with Oral Turnibol. I like it better than Dball. Dball makes me feel like shit and not even want to train. oral tball makes me have a almost euphoric feeling. Great pumps and some solid gains without any water retention.
GO longer on your cycles.
1-6 Oral Tball 60-80mgs a day
1-16 or 20 Test E 750mgs
8-15Tren Acteate 75mgs EOD or WInni 50mgs ED
Not to harsh and a solid cycle.
Week 17 PCT 50mgs Clomid 30 days, Nolvadex 20mgs 45 days, HCG 2500 iu EOD for first 16 days