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« on: October 04, 2008, 12:52:00 PM »
This is great :D



Sarah Palin, using some of her strongest language to date to question the character of the Democratic presidential nominee, accused Barack Obama of "palling around with terrorists" Saturday at a closed fundraiser in Colorado.

She was referencing a front-page story in The New York Times that examined Obama's ties to Bill Ayers, a founder of the 1960s radical group The Weather Underground.

The group took credit for bombings, including nonfatal explosions at the Pentagon and the U.S. Capitol four decades ago.

"Our opponent, though, is someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect -- imperfect enough that he's palling around with terrorists who would target their own country," Palin said. "Americans need to know this. ... I think, okay we gotta get the word out. This is in fairness to the electorate we gotta start telling people what the other side represents."

Obama served on a charity board with Ayers in Chicago and has denounced his past activities.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/04/palin-accuses-obama-palling-terrorists/

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« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2008, 12:53:42 PM »
great, 4-8 more years of "terrorism" paranoia and jewish shell game.

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« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2008, 02:14:13 PM »
the republicans are praying that people don't see through this. Any politician in the world knows someone that the other side could exploit.  They aren't buddies, just aquantinces. Last ditch effort to win an election the democrats just can't lose.

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« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2008, 02:24:18 PM »
i can't believe america are falling for obama's hype.

he is clearly a racist, and has somehow fooled white america into thinking he is not.

palin is a clearly a tube and out of her depth, and in no way ready to be president, although in saying that george bush is no rocket scientist either.

america are between a rock and a hard place.

you should have voted for ron paul when you had the chance, he would have made you great again.
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« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2008, 02:45:57 PM »
Ayres has a bad bast from the 60's.  He has since became a a well respected Professor at University of Illinois Chicago.  Him and Obamas "meetings" were those at liberal and Democratic gatherings. They helped pass a education bill in Illinois to benefit kids. He donated $200 to Obamas campaign back in the late 90s. 

DO YOU CALL THIS HANGING OUT?  This is another smear "swift voting" scare tactic to destroy Obamas credibility because the GOP has NOTHING to run on. BUT, it will end up blowing up in their face.

I sit in a Board for my home owners association with a convicted child molester.  Can i STOP him form being on that board?  Should i NOT be on it to represent my community because hes on there? NOPE. Does that mean we HANG OUT? Does that make him my FRIEND? Im "friendly to him" I dont spit in his face. So does that mean i share his values?

When Bush would meet with the POPE, or other religious NUT leaders like FALL WELL, does that mean he shares their beliefs? NO...

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Fact Check on Obama and Ayers
April 17, 2008
REALITY: OBAMA WAS EIGHT YEARS OLD WHEN THE WEATHERMEN WERE ACTIVE

Obama Turned Eight In August 1969, The Days Of Rage Occurred In October 1969. Barack Obama was born on August 4, 1961. He turned eight on August 4, 1969. The Days of Rage, in which William Ayers participated, occurred in October 1969. [Obama Birth Certificate, UPI, 10/21/81]

William Ayers Participated In The "Days Of Rage" In 1969. The AP reported, "In the autumn of 1969, the Weatherman, led by Bernardine Dohrn and Mark Rudd, converged on Chicago and planned a series of demonstrations to dramatize their beliefs. The riots, which came to be known as the "Days of Rage," caused thousands of dollars in damage in the downtown and Near North Side areas and resulted in injuries to several policemen. Rudd and Ms. Dohrn were named in federal riot indictments with ten others -- William Ayers, Kathy Boudin, John Jacobs, Jeff Jones, Michael Spiegel, Howard Machtinger, Terry Robins, Lawrence Weiss, Linda Sue Evans and Judy Clark. Another prominent activist, Cathy Wilkerson, was arrested on state charges of mob action and resisting a police officer. Some surrendered years ago. Two -- Ms. Dohrn and Ayers, son of the former chairman of Commonweath Edison Co. -- surfaced Wednesday. Charges against Ayers had been dropped in 1978 but Ms. Dohrn still faces charges of aggravated battery and jumping bail." [AP, 12/3/80]


REALITY: AYERS CONNECTION IS "PHONY," TENUOUS," "A STRETCH"

Chicago Sun Times: Obama's Connection To Ayers Is A "Phony Flap". The Chicago Sun-Times wrote in an editorial, "But Ayers, it is also true to say, has since followed in the footsteps of the great Chicago social worker Jane Addams, crusading for education and juvenile justice reform. His 1997 book, A Kind and Just Parent: The Children of Juvenile Court, has been praised for exposing how Cook County's juvenile justice system all but eliminates a child's chance for redemption. Is Barack Obama consorting with a radical? Hardly. Ayers is nothing more than an aging lefty with a foolish past who is doing good. And while, yes, Obama is friendly with Ayers, it appears to be only in the way of two community activists whose circles overlap. Obama's middle name is Hussein. That doesn't make him an Islamic terrorist. He stopped wearing a flag pin. That doesn't make him unpatriotic. And he's friendly with UIC Professor William Ayers. That doesn't make him a bomb thrower. Time to move on to Phony Flap 6,537,204." [Chicago Sun-Times, 3/3/08]

Washington Post: Obama-Ayers Link "Is A Tenuous One." The Washington Post reported in a fact check, "But the Obama-Ayers link is a tenuous one." [Washington Post, 2/18/08]

Woods Fund President Harrington: "This Whole Connection Is A Stretch." The Washington Post reported in a fact check, "Whatever his past, Ayers is now a respected member of the Chicago intelligentsia, and still a member of the Woods Fund Board. The president of the Woods Fund, Deborah Harrington, said he had been selected for the board because of his solid academic credentials and 'passion for social justice.' 'This whole connection is a stretch,' Harrington told me. 'Barack was very well known in Chicago, and a highly respected legislator. It would be difficult to find people round here who never volunteered or contributed money to one of his campaigns.'" [Washington Post, 2/18/08]

Noam Scheiber Of TNR: "I Don't See Evidence Of Any Relationship" Between Obama And Ayers. Noam Scheiber of The New Republic wrote, "Ben says Ayers and Obama were, at best, casual friends. Even that seems to overstate things, though. I don't see evidence of any relationship. The only concrete connection we know of is the meeting, which was attended by a number of local liberals; their contemporaneous membership on the board of a local organization; and a $200-donation by Ayers to one of Obama's state senate campaigns. (Obama also once praised something Ayers had written about the juvenile justice system.) I'm not saying they couldn't have been casual friends; just that there isn't much evidence for that at this point." [The New Republic, 2/22/08]

Birdsell: Obama Links To Ayers Were "Pretty Slender Ties." The New York Sun reported, "'Those are pretty slender ties to a controversial figure,' the dean of Baruch College's School of Public Affairs, David Birdsell, said of Mr. Obama's links to Mr. Ayers." [New York Sun, 2/19/08]


RHETORIC: He was then asked about his association with William Ayers, a member of the Weather Underground, a radical group from the 1960s and '70s. Ayers was quoted after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, as saying he did not regret setting bombs and that "we didn't do enough." [Washington Post, 4/17/08]


REALITY: AYERS COMMENTS WERE PUBLISHED ON SEPTEMBER 11; THE INTERVIEW OCCURRED PRIOR TO PUBLICATION

On September 11, 2001, A Story About William Ayers' Memoir Was Published In The New York Times; The Interview Occurred Prior To Publication. "'I don't regret setting bombs,' Bill Ayers said. 'I feel we didn't do enough.' Mr. Ayers, who spent the 1970's as a fugitive in the Weather Underground, was sitting in the kitchen of his big turn-of-the-19th-century stone house in the Hyde Park district of Chicago." [New York Times, 9/11/01]


AYERS IS A TENURED PROFESSOR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF ILLINOIS AT CHICAGO AND WAS A "RESPECTED ADVISOR" TO MAYOR DALEY ON SCHOOL REFORM


Ayers Is A Professor Of Education At UIC. According to his website at UIC, "William Ayers is a school reform activist, Distinguished Professor of Education, and Senior University Scholar at the University of Illinois at Chicago where he teaches courses in interpretive research, urban school change, and youth and the modern predicament. He is the founder of the Center for Youth and Society and founder and co-director of the Small Schools Workshop. A graduate of the Bank Street College of Education and Teachers College, Columbia University, he has written extensively about social justice, democracy and education. His interests focus on the political and cultural contexts of schooling as well as the meaning and ethical purposes of teachers, students, and families." [Ayers UIC Site, Ayers Personal Site, Accessed 5/31/07]

Ayers Advised Chicago Mayor Richard Daley On School Reform Issues. Bill "Ayers is now mainstream -- an educator with distinguished professor status. He has written three books about education and has advised Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley on the subject of school reform." [AP, 10/14/01]

Terkel: Ayers Is A "Sensitive And Gifted" Writer And Teacher. Studs Terkel wrote, "William Ayers is as sensitive and gifted a chronicler as he is a teacher." [Beacon]


CHARGES AGAINST AYERS WERE DROPPED AND HE SERVED NO TIME

1979: Charges Against Ayers Were Dropped Because "The Government's Case Was Based On Illegal Wiretaps." The New York Times reported, "William Ayers was a fugitive, too, for nine of those years, but the Federal charges against him, Miss Dohrn and other members of the revolutionary organization were dropped in 1979, when it was ruled that the Government's case was based on illegal wiretaps." [New York Times, 12/5/80]

Ayers "Served No Time." "William Ayers: Surrendered and pleaded guilty in 1980 to possession of explosives and served no time. Teaches early childhood development at the University of Illinois." [Boston Globe, 9/19/93]

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Re: Finally The People Will Know What The Mainstream Won't Tell..
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2008, 02:52:09 PM »
i can't believe america are falling for obama's hype.
he is clearly a racist, and has somehow fooled white america into thinking he is not.

Ronald Reagan was clearly a racist (see Philadelphia Mississippi, and we survived that (well mostly).   

Obama was raised by his white mother, then by his Asian stepfather, then by his white grandparents.

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« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2008, 02:56:48 PM »
the ONNLY thing they can get obama on is "lack of National experience" thats IT, but hes shown the correct judgement on decisions that McCain botched, so they really have NOTHING on him...

Obama is going to be our next president, America is tired of the Republicans... and need a REAL CHANGE, not a smoke screen of change from McCain.

Thats putting it as BLUNT as it can be.

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« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2008, 03:50:35 PM »
the republicans are praying that people don't see through this. Any politician in the world knows someone that the other side could exploit.  They aren't buddies, just aquantinces. Last ditch effort to win an election the democrats just can't lose.



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« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2008, 03:56:14 PM »
the ONNLY thing they can get obama on is "lack of National experience" thats IT, but hes shown the correct judgement on decisions that McCain botched, so they really have NOTHING on him...

Obama is going to be our next president, America is tired of the Republicans... and need a REAL CHANGE, not a smoke screen of change from McCain.

Thats putting it as BLUNT as it can be.

I agree with you, but i think whether mccain or obama wins, we are all "setting them up" to be superhumans and deliver us from this war/economy crisis. At ONE POINT, when bush was campaigning, we couldnt have imagined what would have happened on 9/11. Thats really what fucked it all up. Point is, people seem to have the delusion that since a "new face" is in the game, change will be like night and day. Campaigning is one thing, being president is another.

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« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2008, 04:00:40 PM »
I agree with you, but i think whether mccain or obama wins, we are all "setting them up" to be superhumans and deliver us from this war/economy crisis. At ONE POINT, when bush was campaigning, we couldnt have imagined what would have happened on 9/11. Thats really what fucked it all up. Point is, people seem to have the delusion that since a "new face" is in the game, change will be like night and day. Campaigning is one thing, being president is another.
9/11 was no reason to go into Iraq, he should have been impeached for that.

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« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2008, 04:04:19 PM »
After 21 months of Obama in the race, the worst thing that the republicans have on Obama is:

"some guy who served on a staff with Obama once did bad stuff when Obama was 8 years old.  The reason this man is free is that Bill Clinton, whom the Coach voted for, padroned him."

There it is.  The worst thing Obama did in his life.  He didn't call his wife the C-word like Mccain did.  He didn't cheat on his crippled wife like mccain did.  He didn't abuse his state power like Palin did.  No, Obama served on a board with a guy who wasn't a good guy.  There it is.  And the fact that 4 weeks before the election, Palin isn't talking about what she'll do to fix America - instead she's just smearing away in the hopes of scaring people into settling for her - shows how pathetic republicans (my lifelong party) really are at this point.

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« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2008, 04:05:11 PM »
quaker,

it wasnt "just bush" looking in a crystal ball and saying 'lets get em'. I mean there were many other high ranking officials that DID ASSUME there were WMD's over there, there wasnt tho, and now we are here.

we got 1,000's of dead soldiers, economy is fucked, still havent found bin ladin, and most kids here cant point to England on a map.

we DID get a horrible human being out of there, and his kids. If you dont think this was good thing to happen, i suggest you check out Saddams crimes against humanity videos. Unless you are a gore enthusiast, it should truly make you sick to your stomach and feel for these innocent people. Now, its up to iraqi gvt to take partial control and get some fuckin stability in there, but these people have been under saddam for so fuckin long they dont "GET IT" they dont understand HOW to make a democracy.

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« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2008, 04:07:10 PM »
its funny how some of these assholes claim obama is racist, when the people who raised him, the closest people in the world to him, his mother and his grandparents, were white ::)

perhaps we should be talking about sarah palin's ties to a seperatist movement trying to cede alaska from the united states. talk about country first! ::)

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« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2008, 04:07:17 PM »
quaker,

it wasnt "just bush" looking in a crystal ball and saying 'lets get em'. I mean there were many other high ranking officials that DID ASSUME there were WMD's over there, there wasnt tho, and now we are here.

we got 1,000's of dead soldiers, economy is fucked, still havent found bin ladin, and most kids here cant point to England on a map.

we DID get a horrible human being out of there, and his kids. If you dont think this was good thing to happen, i suggest you check out Saddams crimes against humanity videos. Unless you are a gore enthusiast, it should truly make you sick to your stomach and feel for these innocent people. Now, its up to iraqi gvt to take partial control and get some fuckin stability in there, but these people have been under saddam for so fuckin long they dont "GET IT" they dont understand HOW to make a democracy.
that country was better off under Saddam, they don't understand democracy and they never will, they needed him for stability.

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« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2008, 04:16:06 PM »
that country was better off under Saddam, they don't understand democracy and they never will, they needed him for stability.

You are right.  He would not hesitate to cut off some heads if those savages got out of line.  That's the only thing that works over there.

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« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2008, 04:19:29 PM »
perhaps we should be talking about sarah palin's ties to a seperatist movement trying to cede alaska from the united states. talk about country first! ::)

her hubby was a member for almost a decade.
she spoke before them in 2007.
they attended state meetings together.

yes, they want to secede from the Union and their motto is 'alaska first'.

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« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2008, 04:34:49 PM »
her hubby was a member for almost a decade.
she spoke before them in 2007.
they attended state meetings together.

yes, they want to secede from the Union and their motto is 'alaska first'.

in reality, belonging to the AIP in Alaska is on par with hanging a confederate flag in the back of your truck in the south

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« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2008, 04:48:04 PM »
hey moron, FOX news and its affiliates are mainstream.


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« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2008, 04:49:58 PM »
its funny how some of these assholes claim obama is racist, when the people who raised him, the closest people in the world to him, his mother and his grandparents, were white ::)

perhaps we should be talking about sarah palin's ties to a seperatist movement trying to cede alaska from the united states. talk about country first! ::)
::)Explain the 20 years he spent supporting his anti white pastor then !  :D the patrinizing of OBAMA is rediculous !

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« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2008, 05:10:23 PM »
 

Obama was raised by his white mother, then by his Asian stepfather, then by his white grandparents.

and yet he was friends with a racist pastor who preached hatered for the white man week after week, month after month, year after year. in fact they were so close he was made godfather to his kids  :o

i'm pretty sure something is not right about that  :-\
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« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2008, 05:13:30 PM »
its funny how some of these assholes claim obama is racist, when the people who raised him, the closest people in the world to him, his mother and his grandparents, were white ::)

perhaps we should be talking about sarah palin's ties to a seperatist movement trying to cede alaska from the united states. talk about country first! ::)
Or how he is only gonna become president "because he is black" meanwhile, Blacks make up about 9% of the population, and many of them don't even vote....

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Re: Finally The People Will Know What The Mainstream Won't Tell..
« Reply #21 on: October 05, 2008, 01:38:17 AM »
that country was better off under Saddam, they don't understand democracy and they never will, they needed him for stability.

Like Saddam himself once said, Iraq is too young for democracy. people there are used to violence, they fire at weddings, lot of their proza is full of references to swords and killing. People like bush doesnt understand the region, they doesnt place Saddam in the context of the history Iraq has, it has a bloody history and we need to accept that region is not like ours.

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« Reply #22 on: October 05, 2008, 01:58:15 AM »
Like Saddam himself once said, Iraq is too young for democracy. people there are used to violence, they fire at weddings, lot of their proza is full of references to swords and killing. People like bush doesnt understand the region, they doesnt place Saddam in the context of the history Iraq has, it has a bloody history and we need to accept that region is not like ours.

Yeah and while you're at it spray villages with mustard gas  ::)

You sir, are a complete retard.

And on the subject of Osbomba, he is nothing than a shell, he is 100% politician (in the worst meaning of the word), the worst thing you can have as a president.Than add all his shady past, and he shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a voting right, especially a senate voting right.

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« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2008, 02:28:19 AM »
Yeah and while you're at it spray villages with mustard gas  ::)

You sir, are a complete retard.

And on the subject of Osbomba, he is nothing than a shell, he is 100% politician (in the worst meaning of the word), the worst thing you can have as a president.Than add all his shady past, and he shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a voting right, especially a senate voting right.

I think the best president would be someone from the people, who is not sponsored by any of these Illuminati, and therefor would not be a puppet on a string. Sponsored president=puppet on a string.

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« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2008, 02:34:27 AM »
Yeah and while you're at it spray villages with mustard gas  ::)

You sir, are a complete retard.

And on the subject of Osbomba, he is nothing than a shell, he is 100% politician (in the worst meaning of the word), the worst thing you can have as a president.Than add all his shady past, and he shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a voting right, especially a senate voting right.

Yeah mustard gass he bought from the UNITED STATES.

what shady past?  

McCain being in the Keading 5 Scandal isnt SHADY?? (5 senators were behind this, him and his economic adviser Phil Gram were 2 of the 5 lots of americans lost MILLIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
McCain using his power to get frineds gov property for 250gs and then them selling it for 20million 2 years later isnt shady??
McCains top 7 people in his staff were lobbyiests, thats not shady?? (mr Anti Lobbyest... how did he become so close to them???)
McCains Campaign Manager was STILL getting 15k a month from Fanny Mae up to LAST MONTH?
Picing a woman me met 1 time isnt shady??? Thats for HIM to win the election, NOT for AMERICA, if he died wed be FCKED!!!!!!!!!!!!
McCain getting CAUGHT in bold face lies on a DAILY basis isnt shady???
EXAMPLE hes been saying he doenst agree with Bush much....???


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