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had a close call lastnight
« on: October 05, 2008, 08:38:30 AM »
I was woken up at about 4:00am by 2 cops knocking on my door.  What happened was they said some 15 year old girl had run away and her mom said she was staying in my apartment.  I didnt know anything about this, but they asked if they could search the apartment and I told them sure as I had nothing to hide, I was the only one there.  As one was searching the other stood at the door and talked with me.  He said they probably have the wrong apartment as the mother said the guy the girl was staying with was hispanic and im about as far from that as you can get.  But because she specifically said it was this apartment they had to check it out.

I got extremely nervous when the one who was searching went into my closet as I had a ton of gear in there in a box on the top shelf.  Like 75 amps of testoviron, a ton of ancillary drugs and a box of syringes all on the top shelf.

Luckily he didnt see any of that, as he just like moved the clothes to the side to make sure no one was hiding in there.  They told me sorry to bother me and then left.  It could have turned out much worse though if they had seen that gear.  I didnt know what I should have done though, as I didnt know anything about a missing girl and I wouldnt want them to suspect me of that.

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Re: had a close call lastnight
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2008, 09:07:42 AM »
Whats her name? Did you know she was 15, or did she lie and say that she was older?

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Re: had a close call lastnight
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2008, 11:43:21 AM »
I was woken up at about 4:00am by 2 cops knocking on my door.  What happened was they said some 15 year old girl had run away and her mom said she was staying in my apartment.  I didnt know anything about this, but they asked if they could search the apartment and I told them sure as I had nothing to hide, I was the only one there.  As one was searching the other stood at the door and talked with me.  He said they probably have the wrong apartment as the mother said the guy the girl was staying with was hispanic and im about as far from that as you can get.  But because she specifically said it was this apartment they had to check it out.

I got extremely nervous when the one who was searching went into my closet as I had a ton of gear in there in a box on the top shelf.  Like 75 amps of testoviron, a ton of ancillary drugs and a box of syringes all on the top shelf.

Luckily he didnt see any of that, as he just like moved the clothes to the side to make sure no one was hiding in there.  They told me sorry to bother me and then left.  It could have turned out much worse though if they had seen that gear.  I didnt know what I should have done though, as I didnt know anything about a missing girl and I wouldnt want them to suspect me of that.

You did the right thing. I mean in the other way they would have chek your room too so u did the right thing. But now try to hide your gear cuz u never know what can happend.  ;)
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Re: had a close call lastnight
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2008, 12:01:22 PM »
maybe they would not have even cared. alot of cops are cool like that. they were looking for a missing girl, not steroids.


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Re: had a close call lastnight
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2008, 12:41:57 PM »
Interesting....  Whats your address??   8)

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Re: had a close call lastnight
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2008, 02:09:47 PM »
Interesting....  Whats your address??   8)

sure let me give that out over getbig  ;D

i have moved my stash to a new and better location as a result of last night.

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Re: had a close call lastnight
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2008, 02:40:59 PM »
I was woken up at about 4:00am by 2 cops knocking on my door.  What happened was they said some 15 year old girl had run away and her mom said she was staying in my apartment.  I didnt know anything about this, but they asked if they could search the apartment and I told them sure as I had nothing to hide, I was the only one there.  As one was searching the other stood at the door and talked with me.  He said they probably have the wrong apartment as the mother said the guy the girl was staying with was hispanic and im about as far from that as you can get.  But because she specifically said it was this apartment they had to check it out.

I got extremely nervous when the one who was searching went into my closet as I had a ton of gear in there in a box on the top shelf.  Like 75 amps of testoviron, a ton of ancillary drugs and a box of syringes all on the top shelf.

Luckily he didnt see any of that, as he just like moved the clothes to the side to make sure no one was hiding in there.  They told me sorry to bother me and then left.  It could have turned out much worse though if they had seen that gear.  I didnt know what I should have done though, as I didnt know anything about a missing girl and I wouldnt want them to suspect me of that.


You should have your stash locked up somehwere, not just sitting in a box in your closet.

Seventy five amps is enough for them to wonder about you and you can be sure you would have been arrested for possession......


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Re: had a close call lastnight
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2008, 03:02:43 PM »

You should have your stash locked up somehwere, not just sitting in a box in your closet.

Seventy five amps is enough for them to wonder about you and you can be sure you would have been arrested for possession......


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I don't think they could have made it stick in court tho...

They were searching for something else, and they found something that was not in plain view. If they looked in the box under the pretense of looking for a 15 year old....  any lawyer worth a $hit would get that shot down in court.

The worst that would happen is that they would come up with some lame excuse to get a warrant and come back later on to get the stuff.

Sure would be a pain in the ass though....

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Re: had a close call lastnight
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2008, 05:10:33 PM »
that is a good idea division, i will look into getting a safe.

hereford - how does the legality of that work.  like if they came back with a search warrant for gear and didnt find anything, could i sue them?

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Re: had a close call lastnight
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2008, 08:05:39 PM »
If they came back to with a search warrant looking for gear and didn't find anything, no, you couldn't sue them. If a judge issues a search warrant he will only do so if there is reasonable cause. If there is reasonable cause for the search, even if they don't find anything, you do not have a recourse of action unless you can prove without doubt that there was no reason for probable cause...that is very hard to do.

If they had come to your house searching for the girl the other night and your gear had been in plane sight, they could arrest you even though they were not there looking for it. For example, if a cop pulls you over for running a stop sign, if that's the only reason he pulled you over but in doing so finds you to be under the influence, even though he only pulled you over for running a stop sign, he can now arrest you for driving while intoxicated.

Now, if when they came last night to search for the girl if they had opened your box and found the gear, any lawyer worth his salt would be able to get this thrown out, this would be an easy case of an unreasonable search. If an unreasonable search can be proven, it is protected by the U.S. Supreme court. This came about from a case in the 1961 Mapp vs Ohio where unreasonable searches were deemed a violation of the 4th amendment. In this case they were looking for a suspected bomb fugitive but while searching they came across a chest of illegal pornography. they arrested her on that charge but it would not stick once it reached the U.S. Supreme course since the material found was done so in an unreasonable way and because it was not the reason they went to her house in the first place.

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Re: had a close call lastnight
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2008, 08:14:26 PM »
hey about how long does 75 amps last you bro?

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Re: had a close call lastnight
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2008, 08:30:27 PM »
hey about how long does 75 amps last you bro?

props for steering this thread in the right direction.

lock your shit up. don't hook up with 15yos. end of the story.

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Re: had a close call lastnight
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2008, 08:50:59 PM »
props for steering this thread in the right direction.

lock your shit up. don't hook up with 15yos. end of the story.

lol i didnt hook up with a 15 year old, they had the wrong apartment.  but it made me think because the odds of that happening are like 1/10000 and the situation could have gotten alot worse if he looked inside the box. 

i like to use 750mg/week, so the 75 amps will last me 25 weeks.

what would be a good place to look into buying a small safe?

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Re: had a close call lastnight
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2008, 08:55:36 PM »
idk man i think its kind of paranoid to put your gear in a safe anyways..as loong as your not seeling the stuff and your not flaunting your use you shouldnt have anything to worry about ... i keeep mine in a drawer just like you...

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Re: had a close call lastnight
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2008, 09:27:21 PM »
Walking into your apt with your permission would not give them the right to start opening boxes!

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Re: had a close call lastnight
« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2008, 09:30:07 PM »
idk man i think its kind of paranoid to put your gear in a safe anyways..as loong as your not seeling the stuff and your not flaunting your use you shouldnt have anything to worry about ... i keeep mine in a drawer just like you...

Lets see.....Controlled substance=possession without a prescription is a crime.....     ::)

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Re: had a close call lastnight
« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2008, 10:06:31 PM »
Walking into your apt with your permission would not give them the right to start opening boxes!

All they would have to do is say you gave them permission to look at whatever they wanted to.

It's like when a cop pulls you over and asks to search your car. If you say yes then they don't need a warrant, and if they find anything bad you are screwed.

In this case, they would say you consented to a search of your private domain, and they found what they believed to be illegal perscription medications.

I don't really think they would 'come back', I think they would confiscate your stuff on the spot.

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« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2008, 10:27:58 PM »
All they would have to do is say you gave them permission to look at whatever they wanted to.

It's like when a cop pulls you over and asks to search your car. If you say yes then they don't need a warrant, and if they find anything bad you are screwed.

In this case, they would say you consented to a search of your private domain, and they found what they believed to be illegal perscription medications.

I don't really think they would 'come back', I think they would confiscate your stuff on the spot.

This is simply not true. That was what happened in the Mapp vs Ohio case I talked about above. They went into the house looking for one thing, didn't find it but found something else and arrested her based on that. The Supreme Court then deemed it unconstitutional. They were looking for a fugitive and in doing so opened up a box in her house that contained the illegal contraband. On top of that they did not have a warrant for the original search in the first place...same as the scenario Big Tymer is talking about here.

Now, if the police is searching for something in someones house and comes across a body even though they were not there looking for a body, the law changes slightly.

I don't claim to be an expert on this stuff, but my degree is a pre law degree and the bulk of my credits came from constitutional law classes, so I feel I do know something. Not bragging by any means, simply stating that so I don't sound like some guy pulling info out of my ass.

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« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2008, 10:42:14 PM »
This is simply not true. That was what happened in the Mapp vs Ohio case I talked about above. They went into the house looking for one thing, didn't find it but found something else and arrested her based on that. The Supreme Court then deemed it unconstitutional. They were looking for a fugitive and in doing so opened up a box in her house that contained the illegal contraband. On top of that they did not have a warrant for the original search in the first place...same as the scenario Big Tymer is talking about here.

Now, if the police is searching for something in someones house and comes across a body even though they were not there looking for a body, the law changes slightly.

I don't claim to be an expert on this stuff, but my degree is a pre law degree and the bulk of my credits came from constitutional law classes, so I feel I do know something. Not bragging by any means, simply stating that so I don't sound like some guy pulling info out of my ass.

They don't NEED a warrant if you GIVE them permission to search! You can define the limits of the search (i.e., you can look but not in the closet...), but I don't know if one could do that and pull it off without arousing major suspicion.

I am speaking from a perspective of reality here. I understand the Mapp v Ohio case. I have a degree in that stuff too. If cops were to find something illegal on your property, there is no way in hell they are going to let you keep it. At the least, it will turn into a 'your word against theirs' kinda thing.

What would you say, 'The cops took my illegal items unconstitutionally, and I want them back"?

No offense AJ, you probably know a lot more than I do, but never in my life when dealing with cops has the constitution been followed to the letter of the law....


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Re: had a close call lastnight
« Reply #19 on: October 05, 2008, 10:45:22 PM »
They don't NEED a warrant if you GIVE them permission to search! You can define the limits of the search (i.e., you can look but not in the closet...), but I don't know if one could do that and pull it off without arousing major suspicion.

I am speaking from a perspective of reality here. I understand the Mapp v Ohio case. I have a degree in that stuff too. If cops were to find something illegal on your property, there is no way in hell they are going to let you keep it. At the least, it will turn into a 'your word against theirs' kinda thing.

What would you say, 'The cops took my illegal items unconstitutionally, and I want them back"?

No offense AJ, you probably know a lot more than I do, but never in my life when dealing with cops has the constitution been followed to the letter of the law....



No you would still have the items confiscated but they cannot arrest you because of it. Now they can immediately call in for a warrant for your arrest if they'd like but unless they found a dead body or a bomb there isn't much they can do other then taking your stuff.

The reason they can arrest you for a bomb or body is because in this case you are a direct threat to safety and by all counts of the law any arrest can be made on the grounds of public safety. Illegal contraband is not a threat to public safety.

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« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2008, 11:24:31 PM »
Lets see.....Controlled substance=possession without a prescription is a crime.....     ::)
true. but where i live cops have much more important stuff to be doing and they really wouldnt be out looking for some guy who has a personal stash of test.  :)

maybe whereyou live its different i dont know.

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Re: had a close call lastnight
« Reply #21 on: October 05, 2008, 11:24:52 PM »
No you would still have the items confiscated but they cannot arrest you because of it. Now they can immediately call in for a warrant for your arrest if they'd like but unless they found a dead body or a bomb there isn't much they can do other then taking your stuff.

The reason they can arrest you for a bomb or body is because in this case you are a direct threat to safety and by all counts of the law any arrest can be made on the grounds of public safety. Illegal contraband is not a threat to public safety.

Doesn't the contraband vary though depending upon the substance and the opinions of the arresting officer?


For example----say a house with 125tabs of Oxycodone in it vs one with 5,000.   or a house with materials to manufacture Ricin (although Idont' know a county cop who'd recognize that stuff).  


I keep going back to my house being searched when I was in college because of the reptile lights (the cops thought I was growing pot).  The alligator, giant constrictors, pitbulls and other things I had in my house probably didn't give the best first impression, but I didn't have anything to hide so I let them go through the house.  My understanding is it boiled down to probable cause.  If you invite them in to search (like I did) they can arrest you with relative ease because of probable cause, its whether or not you actually get charged with the crime that makes the difference.   If they don't have anything to go on, they let you go after a few hours of bullshit.  If there is something, you are charged and th shit stream rolls downhill.  

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Re: had a close call lastnight
« Reply #22 on: October 05, 2008, 11:29:07 PM »
true. but where i live cops have much more important stuff to be doing and they really wouldnt be out looking for some guy who has a personal stash of test.  :)

maybe whereyou live its different i dont know.


Must be a nice place where you live.   

I seriously wouldn't kid myself thinking you live in an area where the cops wont look because they've got better things to do.  I've had the cops in rural Georgia search my truck because of an insulin needle that fell out of my cooler and was laying on the floor of the passenger side.    Even after showing them my medic alert and the insulin bottles they still searched.   I told them fine and asked for a trashbag to put the junk they took out in.   

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« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2008, 11:47:17 PM »

 I've had the cops in rural Georgia search my truck...

well yeah i know cops in certain areas can get bored and are just LOOKING for smething to do and for people to bust. in that situation your best off playing it safe. where im at cops have no shortage of things to keep thembusy and they generally wont bat an eye at things that dont effect other people... few times i have been searched by police for being in a shady situation and after they found a gram of weed they just said okay see ya and let me go free..(no knifes no gun no gang colors.. = no hassle)

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Re: had a close call lastnight
« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2008, 11:48:40 PM »
Doesn't the contraband vary though depending upon the substance and the opinions of the arresting officer?


For example----say a house with 125tabs of Oxycodone in it vs one with 5,000.   or a house with materials to manufacture Ricin (although Idont' know a county cop who'd recognize that stuff).  


I keep going back to my house being searched when I was in college because of the reptile lights (the cops thought I was growing pot).  The alligator, giant constrictors, pitbulls and other things I had in my house probably didn't give the best first impression, but I didn't have anything to hide so I let them go through the house.  My understanding is it boiled down to probable cause.  If you invite them in to search (like I did) they can arrest you with relative ease because of probable cause, its whether or not you actually get charged with the crime that makes the difference.   If they don't have anything to go on, they let you go after a few hours of bullshit.  If there is something, you are charged and th shit stream rolls downhill.  

If you let them in to search without a warrant they have the right to do so and have the right to arrest you if they find what they were looking for based on the probable cause that led them to ask to search your house.

Now, if they are searching for one thing and find another, lets say they found a lab where you made some illegal drug or a butt ass load of some illegal drug, yes they could arrest you even though what they found was not the reason they searched your house. In this case you would be arrested because you would be viewed as a threat to public safety. Personal use amounts of a drug is not a threat to public safety. They will confiscate it in some fashion but in most cases won't arrest you.

Now there are cops that might have arrested the individual for an amount deemed personal use, it would be up to the lawyer to prove that it was for personal use. Most cops understand this, and will not risk embarrassment over trivial amounts of an illegal drug. That said, if you have a shit lawyer then you're screwed, but this kind of thing is Law 101. Also, more importantly, if they find the stuff based on a completely different search, like I said before, they may have a warrant issued very quickly, on the spot if possible because if they found the stuff they do now have probable cause.