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Giving Kimbo Slice Credit Where Credit Is Due GREAT READ
« on: October 05, 2008, 09:28:50 PM »
By Chris Howie
October 5th, 2008


So anyone out there that may have thought Kimbo Slice would be the number one ranked heavyweight in the world someday was really only kidding themselves. The problem with that all comes down to the way EliteXC has marketed him.

Kevin Fergusen just wanted to fight, which is obvious because he made a name for himself fighting on the internet against bums in back yards and parking lots. When he decided to make the move into the MMA universe people cringed, but Kimbo knew what he was doing.

Kimbo was and still is a bad guy. There is no denying that. Fans hate on Kimbo because they feel as though he got pushed to the top when there were many fighters that deserved it over him. But not every fighter can be marketed the way Kimbo Slice can. This is a story of not hating the player, but hating the game.

When EliteXC signed Kimbo Slice they had dollar signs in their eyes. They knew that fans would watch their product because they were showcasing “the internet street fighting legend”. You can’t hate Kimbo for being there when EliteXC decided to throw an abundance of money at him and put him in main event slots against the likes of Bo Cantrell or Tank Abbott. You can’t hate him because EliteXC set it up so his next opponent would be Ken Shamrock instead of Brett Rogers. And you can’t hate Kimbo Slice because he got knocked out last night by relative unknown Seth Petruzelli.

If anything, hate EliteXC, hate Jared Shaw. They are the ones that set this all up. Last night when Kimbo Slice lay sprawled out on the floor, Jared Shaw can be seen in the background screaming at the referee about a shot to the back of the head. When questioned about it later he stated that it was because he wanted the best safety for the fighters.

Bullshit.

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Photo Credit: Tom Casino/EliteXC/CBS

Shaw was pissed because he just watched his money train get derailed. Plainly and simply and that is the reason why fans hate Kimbo Slice, because he is the money train for somebody else and getting marketed in a way that make the hardcore audience hate him. How many times have you see Dana White jump out and down screaming at the referee? None. Why? Because Dana is unbiased at the end of the day. Sure, Chuck Liddell may be his boy and it probably killed him inside watching “The Iceman” get laid out by Rampage Jackson and Rashad Evans, but you didn’t see him get all out of sorts over it.

This loss may be the best thing to possibly happen to Slice. It will lift the weight off his shoulders that EliteXC so heavily threw down upon him. Now we can see fights like Kimbo vs. Rogers, or Kimbo vs. anyone for that matter that actually stands a chance. The reasons why we haven’t been seeing those fights lay solely in the hands of the EXC brass.

For every risk there is a reward and by still fighting last night with Ken Shamrock out due to a cut, Slice may have lost but still came out looking good. He was very humble towards Petruzelli and did not have a bad thing to say. At the post fight conference he joked “this guy knocked me out in front of my family. What the fuck is up with that?”

Those are the reasons people should be loving this guy. He trains his ass off, he only wanted to be a fighter in this MMA fight game, and he is one of the nicest most humble people in the sport. Like all of us, Kevin Fergusen just wants to bring a pay check home to support his family. Why hate on that?

Kimbo will live to fight another day and deserves credit where it is due for the fact that he did step up and fight Seth even though he had no clue who he was. He didn’t let the show sink when Shamrock was forced out. He could have, he probably should have, but he didn’t.

This is not the last we see of “the internet street fighting legend”.


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Re: Giving Kimbo Slice Credit Where Credit Is Due GREAT READ
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2008, 09:56:43 PM »
basically what I've been saying from day one..

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Re: Giving Kimbo Slice Credit Where Credit Is Due GREAT READ
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2008, 03:57:34 AM »
say the same thing i said that kimbo will be back!
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Re: Giving Kimbo Slice Credit Where Credit Is Due GREAT READ
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2008, 04:56:27 AM »
Watching Kimbo get knocked out by a LHW unknown made my weekend because finally all the people that say he can hang with top heavyweights will hopefully enter reality. 

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« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2008, 06:16:25 AM »
The part I was calling a good read was the part about shaw and Elite XC. I could care less if someone thinks Kimbo will be back. If they feed him Cans then we know he is done... Simple as that. They will not pit him against Rogers nor will they pit him against anyone with skill. It will either be a rematch with Seth or Ken Shamrock just so Kimbo gets a win. They can't take the chance of him losing again, unless they decide to make whoever fights him next the new Elite Cash Cow. Even then you have to ask how much more amazing of a win could someone get over Kimbo other then a 14 second KO?

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Re: Giving Kimbo Slice Credit Where Credit Is Due GREAT READ
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2008, 06:45:43 AM »
kimbo vs rogers would be a complete disaster for kimbo and elite.

rogers would mop the floor up with kimbo imo.

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« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2008, 06:49:25 AM »
kimbo vs rogers would be a complete disaster for kimbo and elite.

rogers would mop the floor up with kimbo imo.


Agreed but then they could hype Rogers up? That is about the only route they have to go. Unless they do the rematch and hope Kimbo doesn't lose. If they put him against anyone lesser and feed him cans they can't make it a legitamated main event. Basically they have one of two routes, hope Kimbo can make a comeback or throw him to someone and make that person the new hype! either way he is done! :-X

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« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2008, 06:55:40 AM »

Agreed but then they could hype Rogers up? That is about the only route they have to go. Unless they do the rematch and hope Kimbo doesn't lose. If they put him against anyone lesser and feed him cans they can't make it a legitimated main event. Basically they have one of two routes, hope Kimbo can make a comeback or throw him to someone and make that person the new hype! either way he is done! :-X

I agree here. Unless kimbo just happens to "get it" and start blowing away guys..etc...he's done. I'm thinking from elite's POV. How can they recover some of the $$$ they invested into kimbo from a marketing perspective. Like you said...either HOPE he doesn't lose against bums while NOT headlining him, or they can cut their loses and sign him up for a tougher guy and HOPE he wins to gain instant cred back.

a rematch...they could do that but he'd have to blow him out. All in all...imo...kimbo is a reg. tough street dude....dudes I grew up with...he took a once ina life time deal....he simply doesn't have the mental capacity to understand the versatility of mma and how 200lbs guys can KO his 6'4 240lbs a$$.

if anything this ruined his "gun shyness" he'll be "thinking" now. questioning his chin.

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« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2008, 08:22:43 AM »
    “If he ever wanted a rematch, I would 100 percent give it to him.”

– Elite XC’s “Rocky Balboa” Seth Petruzelli mentioned at the Elite XC post-fight press conference that he would gladly grant Kimbo Slice a rematch if that’s what he and the organization wanted.
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« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2008, 08:25:29 AM »
I agree here. Unless kimbo just happens to "get it" and start blowing away guys..etc...he's done. I'm thinking from elite's POV. How can they recover some of the $$$ they invested into kimbo from a marketing perspective. Like you said...either HOPE he doesn't lose against bums while NOT headlining him, or they can cut their loses and sign him up for a tougher guy and HOPE he wins to gain instant cred back.

a rematch...they could do that but he'd have to blow him out. All in all...imo...kimbo is a reg. tough street dude....dudes I grew up with...he took a once ina life time deal....he simply doesn't have the mental capacity to understand the versatility of mma and how 200lbs guys can KO his 6'4 240lbs a$$.

if anything this ruined his "gun shyness" he'll be "thinking" now. questioning his chin.

He better be gun shy know, the dude got knocked out by a off balance jab.. then the ground shots he took weren't even that solid... Makes you wonder if Kimbo ever had a jaw, other then one made of glass. I want to see what happens next. How big of a contract did he sign with Elite does anyone know. Was it a 6 fight deal or what? All I know is dude was OUT COLD! I love the picture of him grappling with the ref.. ha-ha.

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« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2008, 08:30:08 AM »
AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHA. Damn I knew he was gonna lose, but I had no idea the replacement was gonna smash him. Now I want to hear people still claim he is one of the top heavies ???


AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA  ;D

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« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2008, 09:40:58 AM »
He better be gun shy know, the dude got knocked out by a off balance jab.. then the ground shots he took weren't even that solid... Makes you wonder if Kimbo ever had a jaw, other then one made of glass. I want to see what happens next. How big of a contract did he sign with Elite does anyone know. Was it a 6 fight deal or what? All I know is dude was OUT COLD! I love the picture of him grappling with the ref.. ha-ha.

all I can say is he better save his $$$ b/c this show is coming to a stop soon.

him grappling the ref was funny. lol he was out.

ref "kimbo, kimbo...i'm the ref...let me go...man I'll knock yo a$$ out again...let me go!"

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« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2008, 06:00:09 PM »
Watching Kimbo get knocked out by a LHW unknown made my weekend because finally all the people that say he can hang with top heavyweights will hopefully enter reality. 

I've read boat loads of mma articles/interviews/posts, and I don't recall hearing/reading that once.  I don't even think I heard any of the kids on Sherdog say that.  Reference sources please.

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« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2008, 07:04:35 PM »
Kimbo pissed me off in that fight cause he didn't touch gloves with Petruzelli , like Kimbo tried to punk him off before the match started...ahh well, he got served in the end, hehe


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« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2008, 08:40:25 PM »
    “If he ever wanted a rematch, I would 100 percent give it to him.”

– Elite XC’s “Rocky Balboa” Seth Petruzelli mentioned at the Elite XC post-fight press conference that he would gladly grant Kimbo Slice a rematch if that’s what he and the organization wanted.

I actually think this rematch would do better ratings than this last event. Now, they have a story line, "Kimbo's Revenge." Of course, if Kimbo gets KTFU again. That'll be the final nail in the coffin.

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« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2008, 08:58:47 PM »
I actually think this rematch would do better ratings than this last event. Now, they have a story line, "Kimbo's Revenge." Of course, if Kimbo gets KTFU again. That'll be the final nail in the coffin.

LOL
I can see it coming...

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« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2008, 09:31:04 PM »
LOL
I can see it coming...

To see the looks on a group of skinny, 13 year old, Tapout wearing, sububurban kids, as their hero gets knocked out again in under 30 seconds would be priceless.

Although I would prefer to see Arvloski deliver a quick roundhouse kick to his head.

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« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2008, 06:31:30 AM »
I've read boat loads of mma articles/interviews/posts, and I don't recall hearing/reading that once.  I don't even think I heard any of the kids on Sherdog say that.  Reference sources please.

I am sorry I have a job. I don't have time to search and I really don't need to defend my point. If you don't agree with what I say say so but I have read many delussional individuals think Kimbo was the second coming. I have also heard alot of the "kids" on sherdog as well as other sites talk about Kimbo being a better prospect then Lesner. I also heard his size and punching power would be more of a match for "___________" (fill in HW there).

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« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2008, 08:44:37 AM »
Fuck Kimbo.  He is not a product of "the game".  He should have been humble and conceded that he is nothing more than a glorified street thug.  Instead, he went with it, believed his own hype and let his head get too big.  He was even calling out guys like Liddell ::) 
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« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2008, 10:29:01 AM »
Fuck Kimbo.  He is not a product of "the game".  He should have been humble and conceded that he is nothing more than a glorified street thug.  Instead, he went with it, believed his own hype and let his head get too big.  He was even calling out guys like Liddell ::) 

You honestly should remove this post.  It has to be one of the most ignorant posts by you ever.  When you were a bodybuilder did you go into a competition conceding the loss.  Do you go to the pump up room and look at the guys and go up to them and say "man you look awesome I shouldn't be here, you guys are just to good".  Come on man you are not THIS stupid.  Another thing, if you are someone like Kimbo who makes shit money fighting on the internet and an organization nows wants to pay you BIG dollars and put you on TV and you get international exposure, commercials and a seat on major talk shows would you turn that down.  Again you are not that stupid are you?

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« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2008, 11:01:40 AM »
You honestly should remove this post.  It has to be one of the most ignorant posts by you ever.  When you were a bodybuilder did you go into a competition conceding the loss.  Do you go to the pump up room and look at the guys and go up to them and say "man you look awesome I shouldn't be here, you guys are just to good".  Come on man you are not THIS stupid.  Another thing, if you are someone like Kimbo who makes shit money fighting on the internet and an organization nows wants to pay you BIG dollars and put you on TV and you get international exposure, commercials and a seat on major talk shows would you turn that down.  Again you are not that stupid are you?

Let me word this in a way that even you can understand.  No where did I say he should concede defeat in a fight ::)  What I said was that he should have never gone along with the hype.  Instead, he should have admitted to being a beginner with virtually no skills. 

Think about it.  This POS calls out Liddell, but he can't get past a GAY TUF reject...ha ha ha ha!!!
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« Reply #23 on: October 07, 2008, 04:19:59 PM »
Let me word this in a way that even you can understand.  No where did I say he should concede defeat in a fight ::)  What I said was that he should have never gone along with the hype.  Instead, he should have admitted to being a beginner with virtually no skills. 

Think about it.  This POS calls out Liddell, but he can't get past a GAY TUF reject...ha ha ha ha!!!

So you are telling me if you had the reputation Kimbo had on the internet and worldwide and you are making maybe $5,000 a month fighting in backyards in front of 10 people sometimes a few more and then an organization tells you they will give you $500,000 to fight, put you on TV, get you sponsorships, talk show appearances, worldwide print media, worldwide super stardom and you don't have to do a thing except act the way you have always acted............... you wouldn't do it.  I see not one thing Kimbo has done wrong.  He didn't change a bit.  He had a badass attitude coming into the MMA scene and he kept it.  The only (and biggest change) thing is he is making some really good bank doing it.  If he thought he was so bad ass that he didn't need any help or needed to improve his fighting skills I guarantee you he wouldn't have hired Bas Rutten and the others who are helping him.

Him calling out Liddell is nothing out of the ordinary.  He uses psyche alot to beat his opponents just like Tyson did.  I would think fighting in MMA you have to do everything you can to win.  And talking shit, acting tougher than you really are, are just things that come along with being in MMA.  I think you are so far off the mark.

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« Reply #24 on: October 07, 2008, 04:48:49 PM »
So you are telling me if you had the reputation Kimbo had on the internet and worldwide and you are making maybe $5,000 a month fighting in backyards in front of 10 people sometimes a few more and then an organization tells you they will give you $500,000 to fight, put you on TV, get you sponsorships, talk show appearances, worldwide print media, worldwide super stardom and you don't have to do a thing except act the way you have always acted............... you wouldn't do it.  I see not one thing Kimbo has done wrong.  He didn't change a bit.  He had a badass attitude coming into the MMA scene and he kept it.  The only (and biggest change) thing is he is making some really good bank doing it.  If he thought he was so bad ass that he didn't need any help or needed to improve his fighting skills I guarantee you he wouldn't have hired Bas Rutten and the others who are helping him.

Him calling out Liddell is nothing out of the ordinary.  He uses psyche alot to beat his opponents just like Tyson did.  I would think fighting in MMA you have to do everything you can to win.  And talking shit, acting tougher than you really are, are just things that come along with being in MMA.  I think you are so far off the mark.

The best and most beloved MMA champs don't need to trash talk and are hugely humble i.e. Andersen Silva, GSP, Fedor, etc.  Had Kimbo, been humble from the get-go, this loss would not have been a big deal.  Instead, it's been proven that everything he thought he was, he is not. 
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