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good tasting protein without artificial sweetener
« on: October 08, 2008, 10:52:39 AM »
i used to like muscle milk but it has sucralose, i dont want brain cancer so if ay of you could reccomend a good tasting protein that has real sugar id appreciate it

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Re: good tasting protein without artificial sweetener
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2008, 10:54:56 AM »
dude splenda is just 1/4 sugar 3/4 filler it aint bad and aspartame is made up of two naturally occuring amino acids

arificial sweetners are fine

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Re: good tasting protein without artificial sweetener
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2008, 11:02:31 AM »
dude splenda is just 1/4 sugar 3/4 filler it aint bad and aspartame is made up of two naturally occuring amino acids

arificial sweetners are fine
artificial sweeteners are not fine they're poison. you think all the cancer we get today is for no reason?  i stick to real natural shit

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Re: good tasting protein without artificial sweetener
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2008, 11:04:01 AM »
mao never needed protein shakes. a tiger doesn't need protein shakes.
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Re: good tasting protein without artificial sweetener
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2008, 11:06:56 AM »
The ladies say my semmen tastes pretty good...a good all-natural wholesome protein source :D

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Re: good tasting protein without artificial sweetener
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2008, 11:21:44 AM »
The ladies say my semmen tastes pretty good...a good all-natural wholesome protein source :D

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Re: good tasting protein without artificial sweetener
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2008, 11:26:29 AM »
Dam Ronald's squirting a massive load, his bitch looks better that way.

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Re: good tasting protein without artificial sweetener
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2008, 12:51:26 PM »
i used to like muscle milk but it has sucralose, i dont want brain cancer so if ay of you could reccomend a good tasting protein that has real sugar id appreciate it

Healthy N Fit Egg protein is excellent. Does not contain any of that artificial sweetener crap. Comes in Vanilla, Chocolate, Banana and Strawberry. You can usually find it at those Vitamin Shoppe outlets otherwise you have to find an online distributer.
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Re: good tasting protein without artificial sweetener
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2008, 01:40:43 PM »
artificial sweeteners are not fine they're poison. you think all the cancer we get today is for no reason?  i stick to real natural shit

Cancer has been around for alot longer than artificial sweetners.  And uness you are ingesting a whole lot of it then you don't have to worry.

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Re: good tasting protein without artificial sweetener
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2008, 02:35:31 PM »
i used to like muscle milk but it has sucralose, i dont want brain cancer so if ay of you could reccomend a good tasting protein that has real sugar id appreciate it

Try Dorians new protein line. It has natural flavourings....

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Re: good tasting protein without artificial sweetener
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2008, 03:18:27 PM »
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Re: good tasting protein without artificial sweetener
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2008, 03:48:49 PM »
jay robb protein-very tasty
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Re: good tasting protein without artificial sweetener
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2008, 05:50:12 PM »
Cancer has been around for alot longer than artificial sweetners.  And uness you are ingesting a whole lot of it then you don't have to worry.

CANCER WAS AROUND BEFORE CIGARETTES AS WELL AND WE SEE THE RESULT OF SMOKING AND INCREASED CANCERS...The point is ASPARTAME and SPLENDA are both concoctions made in laboratories both of which were never intended for human consumption. Since their appearance cancers, diabetes, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, Cardiovascular, Pulmonary and neurological disorders have EXPLODED...especially in america where  the bulk of that artificial sweetener crap is consumed. AVOID THIS STUFF AT ALL COST NO MATTER HOW SMALL THE AMOUNT
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Re: good tasting protein without artificial sweetener
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2008, 01:36:07 AM »
what are the brands with natural sweeting somebody please post

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Re: good tasting protein without artificial sweetener
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2008, 11:49:19 AM »
Lohan Kuo, is the best tasting all natural sweeterner ever created.It is derived from a melon out of china, that has a honey like tste to it.Lohan tastes 10 times better then Stevia, but is aslot more expensive to use.In the next 5 years, watch, Lohan,Kou wil be the next big thing when it comes to sweeteners.Its safe its tastes great its natural and has no side effects, what so ever.

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Re: good tasting protein without artificial sweetener
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2008, 11:53:37 AM »
LUO HAN GUO

Sweet Fruit Used as Sugar Substitute and Medicinal Herb

by Subhuti Dharmananda, Ph.D., Director, Institute for Traditional Medicine, Portland, Oregon

Luo Han Guo (luohanguo) refers to the fruit of Siraitia grosvenori, formerly called Momordica grosvenori, a member of the Curcubitaceae (1). The fruit is well-known for its sweet taste; this plant family (Gourd family) has other members that contain remarkable sweet components, including additional species of the genus Siraitia (e.g., S. siamensis, S. silomaradjae, S. sikkimensis, S. africana, S. borneensis, and S. taiwaniana 2) and the popular herb jiaogulan (Gynostemma pentaphyllum). The latter herb, which has both sweet and bitter tasting triterpene glycosides in its leaves, is now sold worldwide as a tea and made into an extract for use in numerous health-care products (3). Luohanguo has been used as a medicinal herb for treating cough and sore throat (4) and is popularly considered, in southern China, to be a longevity aid (5). These are the same uses as listed for jiaogulan. Luohanguo has more recently been developed into a non-caloric sweetener to compete with other herbal sweeteners such stevioside from the unrelated Stevia leaf. (6).

   



Luohanguo is primarily grown in southern China, mainly in Guangxi Province, with most of the product from the mountains of Guilin. The steep mountains provide shade and they are frequently surrounded by mists that further protect against excessive sun, yet the temperature in this southern province is warm. The wild plant is rare, thus luohanguo has been cultivated in the region for many years. There are descriptions of its cultivation in the area dating back to 1813 (5). Guilin now has a 4,000-acre luohanguo growing area that produces 10,000 pieces of fruit annually (7). Most of these fields are in Yongfu and Lingui Counties, which are recognized in China as sites having an unusually high number of residents living to an age 100 years or more (8, 9), which some attribute to the consumption of luohanguo, as well as the pristine environment. However, the local residents mainly proclaim the benefits of tranquil lifestyle, simple diet, and regular exercise.

Longjiang Town (Dragon River) of Yongfu County was named "Home of Chinese luohanguo Fruits." Several factories have been established in this region to produce luohanguo extracts and finished products, the oldest being the Yongfu Pharmaceuticals Factory. A carefully prepared visual presentation of luohanguo cultivation and its environs is offered by the Dragon River Company, a New York based international company that set-up manufacturing in the town of Dragon River.
   

Luohanguo is collected as a round green fruit that turns brown upon drying. The sweet taste of luohanguo comes primarily from mogrosides, a group of terpene glycosides, present at the level of about 1% of the fleshy part of the fruit (10). Both the fresh and dried fruits are extracted to yield a powder that is 80% or more mogrosides. The mogrosides have been numbered, 1-5, and the main component is called mogroside-5, previously known as esgoside (see chemical structure diagram below). Other, similar compounds from luohanguo have been labeled siamenoside and neomogroside. The mixed mogrosides are estimated to be about 300 times as sweet as sugar by weight, so that the 80% extracts are nearly 250 times sweeter than sugar; pure mogrosides 4 and 5 may be 400 times as sweet as sugar by weight.


A process for making a useful sweetener from luohanguo was patented in 1995 by Procter and Gamble Company (2). As described in the patent application, the fruit itself, though sweet, has too many additional flavors that would make it unsuitable for widespread use as a sweetener, so P&G developed a method for processing it to eliminate the undesired flavors. The fruit is seldom used fresh anyway, due to the problems of storing it; further, the raw fruit has unattractive flavors and a tendency to easily form off-flavors by fermentation; also, its pectin eventually gels. So, it is common to dry the fruits for any further use, and this is how they appear in Chinese herb shops. The fruits are slowly dried in ovens; the drying process preserves the fruit and removes most of the objectionable flavor of the fresh fruit, which is associated with volatile components. Unfortunately, the drying also causes the formation of bitter, astringent flavors. These flavors limit the use of the dried fruits and dried fruit extracts to the preparation of dilute teas and soups and products to which sugar, honey, and the like are added. In the P&G process, the fresh fruit is picked before ripening and allowed to complete its ripening during storage so that processing begins with the just-ripe fruit. The peel and seeds are then removed, and the mashed fruit becomes the basis of a concentrated fruit juice or puree that can be used in food manufacturing. Further processing involves using solvents to remove volatile and off-flavor components. Numerous sugar substitutes derived from luohanguo by similar processes that isolate the sweet compounds are now readily available for manufacturing and for kitchen use.

HISTORY AND TRADITION
  During the Tang Dynasty, Guilin was a major Buddhist retreat area with many temples. The fruit (guo, a term used mainly for gourd-like fruits) is named after the luohan, which are advanced Buddhist practitioners (see classic painting of some luohan, left; in India, they are called arhats) The story told in China is that knowledge of this fruit first emerged from monks who were using it during the 13th Century. Due to its limited natural growing area (mainly mountain sides in Guangxi and Guangdong; to a much lesser extent, in Guizhou, Hunan, Jiangxi, and Hainan Island), and difficulty in cultivating it successfully, this fruit did not enter the general herb tradition of China, which depended on more abundant products. So, it is not mentioned in the traditional herb guides (10).
 

The herb became more prominent during the 20th century. One early English-language report on it is an unpublished manuscript written in 1938 by Professor G.W. Groff and Hoh Hin Cheung (11). The fruits were reported to be frequently used as the main ingredient in cooling drinks (that is, drinks consumed to counteract hot weather, fever, or disorders described in the tradition as warm or hot in nature). The juice of fresh fruits was known to be very sweet. Groff and Hoh noted that the "luohan fruit of commerce, when cooked with pork or steeped with tea, provides a common Chinese household remedy for colds and congestion of the lungs." They confirmed through interviews that the fruit had only become extensively used in China in recent history. Still, it appears that the development of distinct cultivars, and extensive knowledge of its growth, pollination, and climatic requirements implies a fairly long history of cultivation activity by at least a limited group of people.

The herb had been brought to the U.S. early in the 20th century. Groff mentions that during a 1917 visit to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, botanist Frederick Coville showed him a luohan fruit obtained from a local Chinese store in Washington, DC.. Seeds from luohan fruits purchased in a San Francisco Chinese store were included in the original botanical description of the species in 1941.

The beginning of research into the sweet component of luohanguo is attributed to C.H. Lee, who published an English report in 1975 (12), and to Tsunematsu Takemoto working in Japan in the early 1980s (he later turned his attention to studying jiaogulan (3). Development of luohanguo products in China has grown steadily since that time, particularly with the more recent development of highly concentrated extracts for use as sweeteners.

Probably the best depiction of luohanguo medicinal use in southern China during the 20th century is that given by Dai and Liu in their book Fruit as Medicine (4), originally published in Chinese in 1982, then published in English in 1986. Here is their description:

Dried fruit may be bought in the city markets. The outer surface of the dried fruit is round and smooth, dusty yellow-brown or dusty green-brown. It is covered with fine, soft hair. The fruit is covered by a hard but thin shell. Inside is a partly dry, flexible substance containing the juice, as well as a large number of seeds. The skin, juicy part, and seeds all have a good sweet flavor. Its nature is cool, and it has no poison. The fruit helps relieve sunstroke, moistens the lungs, eliminates phlegm, stops cough, and promotes bowel movements.

Applications:
1. Heat stroke with thirst: Take one fruit, break it open and stir into boiled water. Drink the liquid in place of tea.
2. Acute or chronic throat inflammation; aphonia. Take half a fruit and 3-5 seeds of sterculia. Cover with water and simmer, then swallow very slowly.
3. Chronic cough. Take 1 piece of fruit, cover with water, simmer, and drink the liquid. Do this twice each day.
4. Constipation in the aged. Take 2 pieces of fruit, obtain the juicy part and the seed (put the shell aside for other uses), break apart, cover with water, and simmer. Drink before going to bed.
5. Diabetes. Take an appropriate measure of the fruit and crush it or simmer it into a thick juice and add to food being prepared, using it as a substitute for sugar.

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Re: good tasting protein without artificial sweetener
« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2008, 11:54:20 AM »
what are the brands with natural sweeting somebody please post

have you ever tried whey protein with no flavour at all? I think it would take lots of plain sugar or even glucose to nevtralize that particular taste and make it more friendly to your taste buds but then again you would end up consuming some sort of a gainer instead of a regular 70-80% protein powder. 

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Re: good tasting protein without artificial sweetener
« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2008, 11:56:11 AM »
As I know, ON has a neutral flavor 100% whey protein. It may not taste good on its own, but if you add cocoa, banana etc. and let's say some sugar post-workout, it should be okay.

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Re: good tasting protein without artificial sweetener
« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2008, 11:56:42 AM »
jay robb My fiance Don's protein-very tasty
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