Republicans lack of will power

[Relentless]

About time someone posted some common sense with some facts to back them up.

I think this election has really brought something into the light that some of us have known all along:

This entire process is a total disaster and neither of the two major parties presents candidates who really care to serve the best interests of the American people.  We can sit here and debate the projected issues all day long, but what does it really matter?  When is the last time a President did anything they said they were going to do?  When is the last time the Congress did something that actually benefited the American people?  We were begging that they not pass this bailout bill...but they did it anyway.

Why believe or put any stock in ANYTHING these people say?  It's just rhetoric and talking points.

[MuscleMcMannus]

About time someone posted some common sense with some facts to back them up.

So why would you vote for McCain?  The only people voting for McCain are rich, white conservatives for the most part.  Hell if I was rich and had my own business I'd probably vote for the old fucker.  But a majority of Americans are middle class.  Out of the two,  people are going to vote their own self interest.  That's America!  Obama is willing to do more for the middle class than McCain.  Maybe that's not your idea of why government should exist but middle class Americans are hurting.  You wanna talk about the redistribution of wealth........well for the past 20 years the rich have been getting richer and the middle class has been dissolving into the top and bottom echelons of society all the while farcical right wingers still cling to the myth of trickle down economics.  This is neither good for democracy nor liberty.  If Americans really cared about freedom and capitalism they'd vote for Ron Paul or a third party.  But instead they are voting for socalism for the rich or socialism for the poor.  I'm gonna vote for the guy that owns one house and has student loans instead of the guy that has 12 and a rich bimbo wife.  It's time to redistribute income the other way this time around.  And don't sit there and preach capitalism cause let's face it the Republicans nor the Democrats have been practicing capitalism for the last 30-50 years.  If that's not evident now to all you right wingers I don't know what is.  For 4 years a Republican congress did fuck all to quench the thirst of a greedy Wallstreet.  And now everyone is sitting around blaming each other and becoming further divided among a corrupt two party system.  The George Soros of the world are no different than the Bill Gates of the world.  Both rich white fuckers!  I'm white but in the end if someone had to point a gun to my head I say give the Black man a chance and let's see what he can do.  He can't fuck up the economy or this country more than it already is.    

[MuscleMcMannus]

I think this election has really brought something into the light that some of us have known all along:

This entire process is a total disaster and neither of the two major parties presents candidates who really care to serve the best interests of the American people.  We can sit here and debate the projected issues all day long, but what does it really matter?  When is the last time a President did anything they said they were going to do?  When is the last time the Congress did something that actually benefited the American people?  We were begging that they not pass this bailout bill...but they did it anyway.

Why believe or put any stock in ANYTHING these people say?  It's just rhetoric and talking points.

The governemnt is constantly doing stuff that benefits Americans.  But those Americans are wealthy, elitists and represent a minority.  You should reword your post to ask when was the last time our government stood up for the middle and working class families of America.  Oh but if they did that everyone would label them a fucking socialist.  But our government has no problem socializing the fucking rich.  The average American is a brainwashed idiot and the wealthy elite prey on that. 

[Relentless]

The governemnt is constantly doing stuff that benefits Americans.  But those Americans are wealthy, elitists and represent a minority.  You should reword your post to ask when was the last time our government stood up for the middle and working class families of America.  Oh but if they did that everyone would label them a fucking socialist.  But our government has no problem socializing the fucking rich.  The average American is a brainwashed idiot and the wealthy elite prey on that. 

Excuse me!  When I said American people, I was referring to the majority of folks; this happens to be middle class.

And yes, most Americans are hopelessly lost in a haze of fast food, ball games, celebrity caricatures and the political charade.  There's nothing that can be done to right the ship at this point.  As I've said before, AMERICANS ARE GETTING EXACTLY WHAT THEY DESERVE.

[Relentless]

So why would you vote for McCain?  The only people voting for McCain are rich, white conservatives for the most part.  Hell if I was rich and had my own business I'd probably vote for the old fucker.  But a majority of Americans are middle class.  Out of the two,  people are going to vote their own self interest.  That's America!  Obama is willing to do more for the middle class than McCain.  Maybe that's not your idea of why government should exist but middle class Americans are hurting.  You wanna talk about the redistribution of wealth........well for the past 20 years the rich have been getting richer and the middle class has been dissolving into the top and bottom echelons of society all the while farcical right wingers still cling to the myth of trickle down economics.  This is neither good for democracy nor liberty.  If Americans really cared about freedom and capitalism they'd vote for Ron Paul or a third party.  But instead they are voting for socalism for the rich or socialism for the poor.  I'm gonna vote for the guy that owns one house and has student loans instead of the guy that has 12 and a rich bimbo wife.  It's time to redistribute income the other way this time around.  And don't sit there and preach capitalism cause let's face it the Republicans nor the Democrats have been practicing capitalism for the last 30-50 years.  If that's not evident now to all you right wingers I don't know what is.  For 4 years a Republican congress did fuck all to quench the thirst of a greedy Wallstreet.  And now everyone is sitting around blaming each other and becoming further divided among a corrupt two party system.  The George Soros of the world are no different than the Bill Gates of the world.  Both rich white fuckers!  I'm white but in the end if someone had to point a gun to my head I say give the Black man a chance and let's see what he can do.  He can't fuck up the economy or this country more than it already is.    

My rents are voting for McCain purely based off the capital gains tax and the fact he is a Republican.  They are the semi-wealthy who have made good money off this ridiculous, inflated economy that's coming back down.  I'll be more than happy to see them coming back down to earth where they belong!

Now, if McCain wanted to reconstitute a draft (which he's hinted at) and send me to die in the Middle East, that would be OK with them.  I would be serving my country and fighting to protect freedom!  What a naive perspective.

McCain is an abysmal candidate.  He's the best the Reps could do because the big money was scared of backing Romney. 

[MuscleMcMannus]

Excuse me!  When I said American people, I was referring to the majority of folks; this happens to be middle class.

And yes, most Americans are hopelessly lost in a haze of fast food, ball games, celebrity caricatures and the political charade.  There's nothing that can be done to right the ship at this point.  As I've said before, AMERICANS ARE GETTING EXACTLY WHAT THEY DESERVE.

Yes we are.  I mean let's face it...........regardless of your views on life, government, religion or god.............it's pretty simple........we've been living like gluttons for the last 100 years.  4% of the world consuming 25% of the world's resources....millions of people die of malaria, starve to death, live in a mud hut.  If there is a god do you think he really gives a fuck about Americans and their 401k?  I mean come on.  What makes us so special in the grand scheme of life?  We'll go down in history like any other great empire has.  A new one will spring up.  And mankind will never learn from his mistakes until its too late.  

[Relentless]

Yes we are.  I mean let's face it...........regardless of your views on life, government, religion or god.............it's pretty simple........we've been living like gluttons for the last 100 years.  4% of the world consuming 25% of the world's resources....millions of people die of malaria, starve to death, live in a mud hut.  If there is a god do you think he really gives a fuck about Americans and their 401k?  I mean come on.  What makes us so special in the grand scheme of life?  We'll go down in history like any other great empire has.  A new one will spring up.  And mankind will never learn from his mistakes until its too late.  

While I was in LA, I'll never forget what a well-known producer told me:

"This country isn't going to get any better until someone else comes in and takes it over."

I wonder who he was talking about?

[MuscleMcMannus]

My rents are voting for McCain purely based off the capital gains tax and the fact he is a Republican.  They are the semi-wealthy who have made good money off this ridiculous, inflated economy that's coming back down.  I'll be more than happy to see them coming back down to earth where they belong!

Now, if McCain wanted to reconstitute a draft (which he's hinted at) and send me to die in the Middle East, that would be OK with them.  I would be serving my country and fighting to protect freedom!  What a naive perspective.

McCain is an abysmal candidate.  He's the best the Reps could do because the big money was scared of backing Romney. 

Romney was just another corporate suit in my opinion.  That's the entire problem.  Wealth has become the predominant force in American politics.  This hasn't always been the case.  America will be a third world country if it continues the path its on.  What is the defining characteristic of a third world country?  No middle class, a predominantly poor, and then a very poweful, rich minority.  

[Mobil]

dem and rep are both pussies.... we need a new party. ron paul... it wont happen but we need change

[Relentless]

Romney was just another corporate suit in my opinion.  That's the entire problem.  Wealth has become the predominant force in American politics.  This hasn't always been the case.  America will be a third world country if it continues the path its on.  What is the defining characteristic of a third world country?  No middle class, a predominantly poor, and then a very poweful, rich minority.  

We'll see what unfolds.  What do you think about this clip?

[Relentless]

dem and rep are both pussies.... we need a new party. ron paul... it wont happen but we need change

Ron is too far ahead of his time.  He's speaking at a different level that these other candidates are not capable of reaching.  He can speak freely while these other guys try to keep everything as bottled as possible.

In an ideal world, Ron Paul would be a viable candidate.  But, in an ideal world, we wouldn't need Ron so badly in the first place.

We're in a tough spot, ain't we?

[Relentless]

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
- Thomas Jefferson

Where does this leave us, gents?

[MuscleMcMannus]

We'll see what unfolds.  What do you think about this clip?

This is the 21st century not the 1700s.  The American population doesn't stand a chance if it came down to a physical revolution.  We have assualt rifles but the Government has F-22's and Tanks.  Do you really see your neighbors or coworkers.....grabbing an AR15 and storming "Capitol Hill" like the French did with the Bastille?  LMAO!  I hope so!  But it's highly unlikely. 

[MuscleMcMannus]

And Relentless you do realize who Lyndon LaRouche is?  Like Ron Paul many consider him a conspiracy nut.  I have a lot of respect for the guy. 

[MuscleMcMannus]

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
- Thomas Jefferson
Where does this leave us, gents?

Talk about a man that was way ahead of his time.  Everything that man said was utter brilliance!

[Relentless]

And Relentless you do realize who Lyndon LaRouche is?  Like Ron Paul many consider him a conspiracy nut.  I have a lot of respect for the guy. 

I do not think Ron Paul is a conspiracy nut, but I don't know much about Lyndon other than he is widely viewed as a crackpot.  I just thought his views were rather harrowing, if not amusing. 

[slaveboy1980]

U.S. unemployment rate-4.8
England unemployment rate-5.3
France unemployment rate-7.5
Spain unemployment rate-8.1

U.S. average income-53,000
England average income-31,370
France average income-43,000
Spain average income-18,670

U.S. gas/gallon-3.50
England gas/gallon-9.00
France gas/gallon-8.54
Spain gas/gallon-6.40

U.S. tax rate for average income-30%
England tax rate for average income-40%
France tax rate for average income-50%
Spain tax rate for average income-42%

U.S. payroll tax-15.3%
England payroll tax-23.8%
France payroll tax-45%
Spain payroll tax-0

U.S. sales tax-10%(state and local)
England sales tax-17.6%
France sales tax-19.6%
Spain sales tax-16%

U.S. pint of beer-4.05
England pint of beer-5.07
France pint of beer-9
Spain pint of beer-4.09

Whether you want to believe that europe, a socialist continent, is doing better than America I think you are wrong.  The average salary is lower, and while some may say that the euro is worth more, proportionately speaking, it buys a lot less.  Taxes are significantly higher, which results in less spending money.  Socialism has failed in every instance, why would you elect someone that brings this to the table?  I think the dumbest possible thing anyone can say is that Obama has a "clear vision".  Shit I can have a clear vision of running over a mom and her kid with my car, that doesn't make it a good idea.  Obama wants to raise taxes on the "rich".  These said rich people are the smartest most successful people in this country, why punish them?  People with this much income will move out of this country, there will be no incentive to live here.  Our government isn't designed to handle the promises that mccain or obama make.  I just personally believe that Obama is just promising things to the country so he can make it in to office.

just my 2 cents...

 

like i said obsessed with money. 

[Slapper]

[Slapper]

U.S. unemployment rate-4.8
England unemployment rate-5.3
France unemployment rate-7.5
Spain unemployment rate-8.1

U.S. average income-53,000
England average income-31,370
France average income-43,000
Spain average income-18,670

U.S. gas/gallon-3.50
England gas/gallon-9.00
France gas/gallon-8.54
Spain gas/gallon-6.40

U.S. tax rate for average income-30%
England tax rate for average income-40%
France tax rate for average income-50%
Spain tax rate for average income-42%

U.S. payroll tax-15.3%
England payroll tax-23.8%
France payroll tax-45%
Spain payroll tax-0

U.S. sales tax-10%(state and local)
England sales tax-17.6%
France sales tax-19.6%
Spain sales tax-16%

U.S. pint of beer-4.05
England pint of beer-5.07
France pint of beer-9
Spain pint of beer-4.09

Whether you want to believe that europe, a socialist continent, is doing better than America I think you are wrong.  The average salary is lower, and while some may say that the euro is worth more, proportionately speaking, it buys a lot less.  Taxes are significantly higher, which results in less spending money.  Socialism has failed in every instance, why would you elect someone that brings this to the table?  I think the dumbest possible thing anyone can say is that Obama has a "clear vision".  Shit I can have a clear vision of running over a mom and her kid with my car, that doesn't make it a good idea.  Obama wants to raise taxes on the "rich".  These said rich people are the smartest most successful people in this country, why punish them?  People with this much income will move out of this country, there will be no incentive to live here.  Our government isn't designed to handle the promises that mccain or obama make.  I just personally believe that Obama is just promising things to the country so he can make it in to office.

just my 2 cents...

Those numbers look mighty dandy, especially the figure that states that the US has a gross per capital income of over 53K.  They're wrong.

The only problem is that in the US right now 72% of the wealth is concentrated in only 10% of the people. That means that the remaining 28% is owed by a whopping 90%. If we extrapolate that to the 53k figures, we'll find out that a rather large portion of that number is really a "visual gift" from the richest 10%, or $ 37,736. Hence the REAL gross per capital income in the US adjusted for weath disparity is $ 15,264. Which seems to be more along the lines of economic "normalcy".

You can make any comparisons you want, like the price of gas or even unemployment, but in doingso you will not be adding any value to the problems that really affect regular people here in the states or making balanced comparisons between the two geographic entities. I mean, unemployment is really big in Europe and their unemployment systems are lightyears away from the shit that we have here. And we can pretty much extrapolate the figures to any of your observations. I mean school, college, health insurance, all is paid for over in Europe. Over here? Hehehe yeah right!

And with this I'm not trying to put down my country, I love the US, I am merely trying to point out that our system of bending over backwards for Big Business has to stop, either by popular discontent or the government going bankrupt. One or the other, it will fail. And it is failing. Guess where the 850 billion dollar package is going to end up? That's right, that is going to translate into another 1-2% in the Top 1% and taken out of the suckers in the Next 10% row.

Europeans live better man. Bottom line. I mean, they took their continent through God knows how many wars and were able to recontruct it and build back their systems. They must be doing something right!

[w8tlftr]

Those numbers look mighty dandy, especially the figure that states that the US has a gross per capital income of over 53K.  They're wrong.

The only problem is that in the US right now 72% of the wealth is owed by only 10% of the people. That means that the remaining 28% is owed by a whopping 90% of the people. If we extrapolate that to the 53k figures, we'll find out that a rather large portion of that number really belongs to the richest 10%, or $ 37,736. Hence the REAL gross per capital income in the US adjusted for weath disparity is $ 15,264. Which seems to be more along the lines of economic "normalcy".

You can talk about any other factor if you want to, like the price of gas or even unemployment, but in doingso you will not be adding any value to the problems that really affect regular people here in the states. I mean, unemployment is really big in Europe because their unemployment systems are lightyears away from the shit that we have here. And we can pretty much extrapolate the figures to any of your observations. I mean even school, college, health insurance is paid for over in Europe. Not here.

And with this I'm not trying to put down my country, I love the USA, I am merely trying to point out that our system of bending over backwards for Big Business has to stop, either by popular discontent or the government going bankrupt. One or the other, it will fail. And it is failing. Guess where the 850 billion dollar package is going to end up? That's right, that is going to translate into another 1-2% in the Top 1% and taken out of the suckers in the Next 10% row.

They live better man. Bottom line.

I think you should start giving away your vast wealth to homeless people.

[Slapper]

I think you should start giving away your vast wealth to homeless people.

You're missing the point dude. At this point I'd be happy if the powers-that-be didn't give it to the Top 1%. Or that these huge conglomerates actually PAID taxes.

[w8tlftr]

You're missing the point dude. At this point I'd be happy if the powers-that-be didn't give it to the Top 1%. Or that these huge conglomerates actually PAID taxes.

Flat tax - ZERO deductions. No loop holes.

Simple form.

This year you made: x amount of Ameros.
10 percent of x is: y
You owe: y

Pay up foo!

It would fit on a 3x5 index card.

Think of the trees we'd save.

Yay green planet! 

[24KT]

After Nov 5th, the next 8 years is going to be a loonnnnnngggggggggg time for these Republican whiners on board.

They'll just change their names and disappear for a while, ...or will insist they were for obama all along.

[Bindare_Dundat]

They'll just change their names and disappear for a while, ...or will insist they were for obama all along.

 

[24KT]

I'll bet you a dime?