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Question: vote to impeach Bush
Yes impeach - 28 (77.8%)
No, don't impeach - 8 (22.2%)
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« Reply #50 on: October 14, 2008, 08:16:16 AM »

What's "criminal instrumentality"?  A weapon?  If so, I'm not confusing that with conspiracy.  Hugo said "If you plan someone's murder or you make a plan that gets people killed, are you off the hook because you didn't have your hands on the instrument of death?" 

That sounds like conspiracy to me. 
Bush should be impeached.  Bush should be tried for murder.  Here's a site that covers the basics of murder. http://stclguns.homestead.com/Bushrod1.html

 Please note that motive is not an element of first degree murder so it does not have to be proven.

Here's a blurb from that site on the Bugliosi murder theory.

MURDER PROSECUTION VS. PRESIDENT BUSH- LUDICROUS OR LOGICAL ?? - IN JUNE OF 2008, FAMED PROSECUTOR VINCENT BUGLIOSI URGED THAT GEORGE W. BUSH BE PROSECUTED FOR MURDER IN CIVILIAN COURTS OF THE US FOR EACH OF THE + 4,000 DEATHS OF AMERICAN TROOPS IN IRAQ. HE'S DEAD SERIOUS. BUGLIOSI'S BOOK THE PROSECUTION OF GEORGE W. BUSH FOR MURDER LAYS OUT THE EVIDENTIARY CASE FOR A SUCCESSFUL DOMESTIC MURDER PROSECUTION AGAINST BUSH2 IN EACH OF THE RESIDENT COUNTIES OF DEAD US IRAQ WAR CASUALITES. IN CHAPTER FOUR OF HIS BOOK, HE MAKES THE CASE FOR A CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT MURDER CHARGE AGAINST MR. BUSH, BASING IT ON THE THEORY THAT BUSH AND CO-CONSPIRATORS, E.G, DICK CHENEY, ETC., AGREED TO START THE WAR IN IRAQ BASED ON WHITE HOUSE LIES AND FALSE PRETENSES, KNOWING THAT AMERICAN TROOPS WOULD BE KILLED. BUGLIOSI THEN ARGUES FOR VICARIOUS LIABILITY FOR THE SUBSTANTIVE CRIME OF MURDER BASED ON THE ACCOMPLICE LIABILITY THEORY OF COMPLICITY. HE SAYS THAT BUSH2 WAS AN AIDER AND ABETTOR OF THE MURDER OF THE THOUSANDS OF AMERICAN SERVICEMEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE BEEN KILLED IN THE CONFLICT. HIS ARGUMENT FOR MENS REA (A CULPABLE MENTAL STATE) IS GROUNDED ON BUSH2'S LIES AND MISREPRESENTATIONS RE NONEXISTENT WMD'S AND THE FANCIFUL LINK BETWEEN AL KAEDA AND SADDAM, ALL DONE WITH WITH THE INTENT AND PURPOSE OF STARTING A WAR WITH IRAQ, AND WITH ACTUAL KNOWLEDGE (BEING AWARE THAT IT WAS REASONABLY CERTAIN) THAT DEATHS OF AMERICAN TROOPS WOULD BE AN INEVITABLE CONSEQUENCE. AS ALTERNATIVES TO THE INTENT TO KILL MENS REA, HE ARGUES THAT THE PRESIDENT'S STATE OF MIND RELECTED RECKLESSNESS MANIFESTING EXTREME INDIFFERENCE TO THE VALUE OF THE LIVES (WHAT THE COMMON LAW CALLED DEPRAVED HEART MALICE) OF THESE THOUSANDS OF DEAD AMERICAN SERVICEMEN. RE ACTUS REUS (CONDUCT) AND LEGAL CAUSATION, BUGLIOSI ARGUES THAT, THOUGH BUSH2 DID NOT PERSONALLY KILL ANY OF THE TROOPS, HE IS VICARIOUSLY LIABLE FOR THE CONDUCT OF IRAQI RESISTANCE WHO DID DO SO; BUGLIOSI'S LEGAL THEORY IS THAT BUSH USED THE IRAQI RESISTANCE AS AS INNOCENT INSTRUMENTALITY TO DO THE ACTUAL KILLING OF US TROOPS. HE SAYS THAT CONGRESS WAS NOT COMPLICITOUS, BUT RATHER A VICTIM OF THE BUSH2 LIES AND DELIBERATE MISREPRESENTATIONS.



BUGLIOSI HAS VOLUNTEERED HIS WHOLE-HEARTED ASSISTANCE IN ANY SUCH PROSECUTION, EITHER AS AN ADVISOR OR AS A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR. HE SUGGESTS IN A DEGREES OF MURDER JURISDICTIONS THAT THE CHARGE COULD BE FIRST-DEGREE MURDER, MAKING THE DEATH PENALTY WITHIN THE POSSIBLE RANGE OF  PUNISHMENT. HE SAYS THAT HE WILL NOT REST UNTIL THE PRESDENT FACES A JURY IN A MURDER TRIAL. AGREEING THAT A PROSECUTION COULD NOT COMMENCE UNTIL THE PRESIDENT LEAVES OFFICE ON 1-20-09, THE HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL PROSECUTOR, TURNED BEST-SELLING AUTHOR, NOTES THE TRADITIONAL RULE THAT THERE IS NO STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS ON THE CRIME OF MURDER. BUGLIOSI SAYS THAT THE IDEAL VENUE WOULD BE WASHINGTON, D.C. [QUERY: DO YOU THINK ANY PROSECUTOR IN THE STATES OR DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA WILL HAVE THE MORAL GUMPTION OR TEMERITY TO TAKE BUGLIOSI'S SUGGESTION?] [NOTE: THE BOOK LAYS OUT IN DETAIL THE LEGAL AND FACTUAL BASIS FOR A SUCCESSFUL MURDER PROSECUTION AND THE ARGUMENT FOR TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION IN ANY COUNTY FROM WHICH A DEAD SERVICEPERSON HAILS; IT'S ALSO CHOCK-FULL OF WHAT APPEARS TO BE WELL-RESEARCHED DOCUMENTARY PROOF; FOR $18, IT'S NOT A BAD READ EITHER FOR LAW STUDENTS STUDYING THE LAW OF CRIMES AND DEFENSES OR FOR PRACTICING PROSECUTORS SEEKING JUSTICE AGAINST "EVILDOERS."]
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« Reply #51 on: October 14, 2008, 03:50:20 PM »

Yes, Bush should be impeached right now. And it is going to happen one day. But he wont go to jail or get the death penalty, he will be sent to guantanamo and be interogated by Nancy Pelosi until he admits he was the 911 mastermind. 
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« Reply #52 on: October 14, 2008, 04:00:00 PM »

I have a friend who saw him walking into WTC2 with a cutting torch and a mischevious grin on 9-10-01...   Shocked






















































 Roll Eyes
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« Reply #53 on: October 15, 2008, 05:26:12 AM »

HAHAHa.  Those are good.

I saw Bush lie to Congress and the American people 50+  times (documented) re Iraq's WMDs and ties to Al Qaeda.  With those lies he convinced 70% of americans that Hussein was behind the 9/11 attacks.  What a scream.  With those lies, he ginned up his support for the invasion.

That's a hoot.

When he ordered the invasion, thousands of american soldiers were not laughing.

Don't even ask what the Iraqi civilians thought about the hilarious Bush antics.
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« Reply #54 on: October 15, 2008, 06:10:46 AM »

There were hitler loyalist even after his cowardly suicide   Cheesy
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« Reply #55 on: October 15, 2008, 08:10:53 AM »

There were hitler loyalist even after his cowardly suicide   Cheesy
The party of personal responsiblity strikes again.  I think they mean personal responsibility for democrats, minorities and really, any non-republican person.
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« Reply #56 on: October 15, 2008, 09:50:15 AM »



Would be nice...
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« Reply #57 on: October 15, 2008, 10:00:28 AM »

Some people use a gun to kill.  Presidents use foreign soldiers to kill american soldiers.  Since the US did not attack Iraq in self-defense and Bush sent the US military into Iraq with full knowledge the Iraqis would fight in self defense against the US forces, he is responsible for those military deaths.
what about the increase in violence after obama and other dems stated publicly that the surge was not working and doomed? Do they hold no responsibility for those deaths under your logic?
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« Reply #58 on: October 15, 2008, 10:14:20 AM »

No, that will be Bush's fault too..... Somehow.....
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« Reply #59 on: October 15, 2008, 11:46:50 AM »

Trump votes Yes.

"He lied. He got us into the war with lies," Trump said. And I mean look at the trouble Bill Clinton got into with something that was totally unimportant. And they tried to impeach him, which was nonsense. And yet Bush got us into this horrible war with lies, by lying, by saying they had weapons of mass destruction, by saying all sorts of things that turned out not to be true."

In the wide-ranging interview set to air on CNN's The Situation Room at 4, 5, and 6 p.m. Wednesday, Trump also praised John McCain and said the Arizona senator still has a chance to win the White House despite recent polls showing he is substantially trailing Barack Obama.

"He's a very smart guy, he's a tough guy," he said. "I think he'd be a great president. But, he has to be John McCain and he could still probably pull it out. But, it's going to be tough."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
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« Reply #60 on: October 15, 2008, 01:42:46 PM »

Yes, let's have all those senators who authorized and funded the war serve as judge and jury for the man who carried out their mandate.  Makes zero sense. 
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« Reply #61 on: October 15, 2008, 02:59:25 PM »

2 years ago the Dems said they would try to impeach Bush....after they won you heard nothing of this anymore. The reason? They don't have anything legit to impeach him on.
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« Reply #62 on: October 15, 2008, 07:19:07 PM »

2 years ago the Dems said they would try to impeach Bush....after they won you heard nothing of this anymore. The reason? They don't have anything legit to impeach him on.

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« Reply #63 on: October 15, 2008, 07:36:24 PM »

2 years ago the Dems said they would try to impeach Bush....after they won you heard nothing of this anymore. The reason? They don't have anything legit to impeach him on.
no they didn't, that's a lie.  Some dems called for it, it was not a platform the party ran on so that's a lie.
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