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« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2008, 04:43:50 PM »
Good for McCain. The lady is quite an eloquent speaker.
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« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2008, 04:44:01 PM »

I have to say i think McCain was even embarrassed by that womans actions and he has every right to.

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« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2008, 04:44:24 PM »
And one More.


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« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2008, 04:46:58 PM »
Of course after and during these rallies, the Mccain/Palin mob yelled "KILL HIM" and "TERRORIST and TRAITOR", referring to Obama today in front of Mccain.



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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2008, 05:01:41 PM »
Of course after and during these rallies, the Mccain/Palin mob yelled "KILL HIM" and "TERRORIST and TRAITOR", referring to Obama today in front of Mccain.




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« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2008, 05:12:52 PM »

Unlike Hussein , McCain won't say and do everything just to get a seat.

Hussein on the other hand went hand to hand with Frannie Mae, Chris Dodd and many others that are directly related to the crisis...ohh he was also the lawyer of Acorn and got plenty of money from them...I can go on ...

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« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2008, 05:15:33 PM »
Unlike Hussein , McCain won't say and do everything just to get a seat.

Hussein on the other hand went hand to hand with Frannie Mae, Chris Dodd and many others that are directly related to the crisis...ohh he was also the lawyer of Acorn and got plenty of money from them...I can go on ...
The Real Mccain would be appalled at your false assertions and insinuations regarding Obama.  I bet John would PWN the shit out of you if you were to tell him the above face to face.

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« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2008, 05:20:05 PM »
His plan to attack Obamas charater has backfired.  When your supporters boo you at a rally you know you fucked up!.  I would be afraid to walk into a rally like that and im half white like Obama.   Its almost like Mcsame supporters r turning into the KKK :-\

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« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2008, 05:20:23 PM »
In this thoroughly researched and documented book, the #1 New York Times bestselling co-author of Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry explains why the extreme leftism of an Obama presidency would leave the United States weakened, diminished and divided, why Obama must be defeated—and how he can be.

THE OBAMA NATION Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality

Barack Obama stepped onto the national political stage when the then-Illinois State senator addressed the 2004 Democratic National Convention. Soon after Obama was elected to the U.S. Senate, author Jerome Corsi began researching Obama's personal and political background.

Scrupulously sourced with more than 600 footnotes, THE OBAMA NATION is the result of that research. By tracing Obama's career and influences from his early years in Hawaii and Indonesia, the beginnings of his political career in Chicago, his voting record in the Illinois legislature, his religious training and his adoption of Christianity through to his recent involvement in Kenyan politics, his political advisors and fundraising associates and his meteoric campaign for president, Jerome Corsi shows that an Obama presidency would, in his words, be “a repeat of the failed extremist politics that have characterized and plagued Democratic Party politics since the late 1960s.”

In this stunning and comprehensive new book, the reader will learn about: -Obama's extensive connections with Islam and radical politics, from his father and step-father's Islamic backgrounds, to his Communist and socialist mentors in Hawaii and Chicago, to his long-term and close associations with former Weather Underground heroes William Ayers and Bernadette Dohrn—associations much closer than heretofore revealed by the press
-Barack and Michelle's 20-year-long religious affiliation with the black-liberation theology of former Trinity United Church of Christ Reverend Jeremiah Wright, whose sermons have always been steeped in a rage first expressed by Franz Fanon , Stokely Carmichael and Malcolm X, a rage that Corsi shows has deep meaning for Obama
-Obama's continuing connections with Kenya, the homeland of his father, through his support for the candidacy of Raila Odinga, the radical socialist presidential contender who came to power amid Islamist violence and church burnings
-Obama's involvement in the slum-landlord empire of the Chicago political fixer Tony Rezko, who helped to bankroll Obama's initial campaigns and to purchase of Barack and Michelle's dream-home property.
-the background and techniques of the Obama campaign's cult of personality, including the derivation of the words “hope” and change”
-Obama's far-left domestic policy, his controversial votes on abortion, his history of opposition to the Second Amendment, his determination to raise capital-gains taxes, his impractical plan to achieve universal health care, and his radical plan to tax Americans to fund a global-poverty-reduction program
-Obama's naïve, anti-war, anti-nuclear foreign-policy, predicated on the reduction of the military, the eradication of nuclear weapons and an overconfidence in the power of his personality, as if belief in change alone could somehow transform international politics, achieve nuclear-weapons disarmament and withdrawal from Iraq without adverse consequences, for us, for the Iraqis or for Israel.

Meticulously researched and documented, THE OBAMA NATION is the definitive source for information on why and how Barack Obama must be defeated—not by invective and general attacks, but by detailed arguments that are well-researched and fact-based.


About the Author
DR. JEROME CORSI received a Ph.D. from Harvard University in political science in 1972 and has written many books and articles, including the No. 1 New York Times best-seller, Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry. His latest best-seller was The Late Great USA: The Coming Merger with Mexico and Canada. He is a senior staff reporter for WorldNetDaily.com and the author of two books on contemporary Iran: Atomic Iran and Showdown with Nuclear Iran. In his 2005 book Black Gold Stranglehold: The Myth of Scarcity and the Politics of Oil, which he co-authored with Craig. R. Smith, Dr. Corsi predicted oil prices at over $100 a barrel.
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« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2008, 05:21:07 PM »
His plan to attack Obamas charater has backfired.  When your supporters boo you at a rally you know you fucked up!.  I would be afraid to walk into a rally like that and im half white like Obama.   Its almost like Mcsame supporters r turning into the KKK :-\

you know the 1% rule right?
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« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2008, 05:23:38 PM »
The Real Mccain would be appalled at your false assertions and insinuations regarding Obama.  I bet John would PWN the shit out of you if you were to tell him the above face to face.

Remind me again who are you?

The guy that claimed thousands of times to life billions of pounds on deadlifts and posted countless pictures since but not one evidence?

The guy that claimed Hussein had nothing to do with Acorn although he admitted to that himself?

Your posts are just a waste of bandwidth and forum space.

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« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2008, 05:26:48 PM »
In this thoroughly researched and documented book, the #1 New York Times bestselling co-author of Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry explains why the extreme leftism of an Obama presidency would leave the United States weakened, diminished and divided, why Obama must be defeated—and how he can be.

THE OBAMA NATION Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality

Barack Obama stepped onto the national political stage when the then-Illinois State senator addressed the 2004 Democratic National Convention. Soon after Obama was elected to the U.S. Senate, author Jerome Corsi began researching Obama's personal and political background.

Scrupulously sourced with more than 600 footnotes, THE OBAMA NATION is the result of that research. By tracing Obama's career and influences from his early years in Hawaii and Indonesia, the beginnings of his political career in Chicago, his voting record in the Illinois legislature, his religious training and his adoption of Christianity through to his recent involvement in Kenyan politics, his political advisors and fundraising associates and his meteoric campaign for president, Jerome Corsi shows that an Obama presidency would, in his words, be “a repeat of the failed extremist politics that have characterized and plagued Democratic Party politics since the late 1960s.”

In this stunning and comprehensive new book, the reader will learn about: -Obama's extensive connections with Islam and radical politics, from his father and step-father's Islamic backgrounds, to his Communist and socialist mentors in Hawaii and Chicago, to his long-term and close associations with former Weather Underground heroes William Ayers and Bernadette Dohrn—associations much closer than heretofore revealed by the press
-Barack and Michelle's 20-year-long religious affiliation with the black-liberation theology of former Trinity United Church of Christ Reverend Jeremiah Wright, whose sermons have always been steeped in a rage first expressed by Franz Fanon , Stokely Carmichael and Malcolm X, a rage that Corsi shows has deep meaning for Obama
-Obama's continuing connections with Kenya, the homeland of his father, through his support for the candidacy of Raila Odinga, the radical socialist presidential contender who came to power amid Islamist violence and church burnings
-Obama's involvement in the slum-landlord empire of the Chicago political fixer Tony Rezko, who helped to bankroll Obama's initial campaigns and to purchase of Barack and Michelle's dream-home property.
-the background and techniques of the Obama campaign's cult of personality, including the derivation of the words “hope” and change”
-Obama's far-left domestic policy, his controversial votes on abortion, his history of opposition to the Second Amendment, his determination to raise capital-gains taxes, his impractical plan to achieve universal health care, and his radical plan to tax Americans to fund a global-poverty-reduction program
-Obama's naïve, anti-war, anti-nuclear foreign-policy, predicated on the reduction of the military, the eradication of nuclear weapons and an overconfidence in the power of his personality, as if belief in change alone could somehow transform international politics, achieve nuclear-weapons disarmament and withdrawal from Iraq without adverse consequences, for us, for the Iraqis or for Israel.

Meticulously researched and documented, THE OBAMA NATION is the definitive source for information on why and how Barack Obama must be defeated—not by invective and general attacks, but by detailed arguments that are well-researched and fact-based.


About the Author
DR. JEROME CORSI received a Ph.D. from Harvard University in political science in 1972 and has written many books and articles, including the No. 1 New York Times best-seller, Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry. His latest best-seller was The Late Great USA: The Coming Merger with Mexico and Canada. He is a senior staff reporter for WorldNetDaily.com and the author of two books on contemporary Iran: Atomic Iran and Showdown with Nuclear Iran. In his 2005 book Black Gold Stranglehold: The Myth of Scarcity and the Politics of Oil, which he co-authored with Craig. R. Smith, Dr. Corsi predicted oil prices at over $100 a barrel.

You might want to check your facts there, Powerod.


Unfit for Publication

One of the most vile smear peddlers of the 2004 election has found a new target.

Jerome Corsi just published a new book full of rehashed distortions and the same old lies about Barack Obama, and the right-wing noise machine is in full gear promoting it.

In 2004, Corsi helped launch the Swift Boat smear campaign with a book of distortions and lies he wrote about John Kerry.

It’s up to you to spread the truth, so here it is. We’ve posted some of the facts about Corsi and his desperate fabrications on this page, but there’s even more in our PDF: Unfit for Publication.


FactCheck.org Debunks Jerome’s Corsi’s Book:
 


Jerome Corsi’s “The Obama Nation” is a mishmash of unsupported conjecture, half-truths, logical fallacies and outright falsehoods.

Corsi is a renowned conspiracy theorist who says that George Bush is attempting to create a North American Union (we looked at that here) and that there is evidence that the World Trade Center may have collapsed because it was seeded with explosives. More recently, Corsi claimed that Obama released a fake birth certificate. We’ve debunked that twice now. And, as our colleagues at PolitiFact.com found, many of the themes in “The Obama Nation” are reworked versions of bogus chain e-mail smears.

In Corsi’s case, we judge that both his reputation and his latest book fall short when measured by the standards of good scholarship, or even of mediocre journalism.

Read this Article


The New York Times Also Criticizes Corsi:
 
In its timing, authorship and style of reporting, the book [Obama Nation] is strikingly reminiscent of the one Mr. Corsi wrote with John O¹Neill about Mr. Kerry, “Unfit for Command,” which included various accusations that were ultimately undermined by news reports pointing out the contradictions. (Some critics of Mr. Kerry quoted in the book had earlier praised his bravery in incidents they were now asserting he had fabricated; one had earned a medal for bravery in a gun battle he accused Mr. Kerry of concocting.)

But books like “Unfit for Command,” which remained for some 12 weeks on the Times best-seller list, and, now, “The Obama Nation,” have become an effective and favored delivery system for political attacks. There have been anti-Clinton (both Bill and Hillary) and anti-Bush books too numerous to name. The sensational findings in these books, true or dubious, can quickly come to dominate the larger political discussion in the news media, especially on cable television and the less readily detectible confines of talk radio and partisan Web sites.

Several of the book’s accusations, in fact, are unsubstantiated, misleading or inaccurate.

Read this Article


The Seattle Times Also Criticizes Corsi:
 
The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality” collects false rumors and distortions to portray Obama as a sort of secret radical who can’t be trusted.

Jerome Corsi, author of “The Obama Nation,” has a record of making offensive comments about the pope, Muslims and Democratic politicians, as well as promoting fringe theories about plots to merge the United States, Canada and Mexico into one country.


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Re: MCCAIN FINALLY found some Courage and Integrity today-Video
« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2008, 05:27:31 PM »
Remind me again who are you?

The guy that claimed thousands of times to life billions of pounds on deadlifts and posted countless pictures since but not one evidence?

The guy that claimed Hussein had nothing to do with Acorn although he admitted to that himself?

Your posts are just a waste of bandwidth and forum space.

Obama was talking about Biden (i think this was yesterday), and he was going on about how awesome Biden is , and then he goes "the Acorn (long pause) doesn't fall far from the tree".
I don't know if he did it on purpose or not, i doubt it.  Unless he's really a super arrogant prick.
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« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2008, 05:34:38 PM »
to Adonis:

I've never heard of Corsi until today.  He was on the news, saying he went to Kenya to talk to that Odinga dude and got arrested and detained for a few days.  Apparently, he has evidence.

The reason i brought him up is because the Tony Rezko thing is 100% true.  Rezko is a notorious white collar "alleged" criminal around here who has a long record of shady deals in the chicagoland.  you can look him up on wikipedia if you're bored, it's a nice read.
Anyways, to abbreviate for you:  there were some land swaps a couple years ago with Obama and Rezko that might've been less than legal.  Rezko was a big time fund raiser for Obama.  Rezko is currently in jail and has promised to cooperate with the FBI for a lighter sentence.  He's expected to either spill the beans on Obama or Blagojevich (the governor). 
It was announced this morning his trial has been pushed from today to December 16th (after the election) for no apparent reason.
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« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2008, 05:45:09 PM »
Hussein didn't have any connection them...he doesn't even know who they are... ::) ::)


http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/700499,CST-NWS-Obama-law17.article

Obama sued on behalf of ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now. The League of Women Voters and other public-interest groups joined in.

"He and his client were the ones who filed the original case -- they blazed the trail," said Paul Mollica, who represented the League.

Transcripts show that at court hearings, Obama identified himself, then let Mollica begin speaking.


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« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2008, 05:49:47 PM »
to Adonis:

I've never heard of Corsi until today.  He was on the news, saying he went to Kenya to talk to that Odinga dude and got arrested and detained for a few days.  Apparently, he has evidence.

The reason i brought him up is because the Tony Rezko thing is 100% true.  Rezko is a notorious white collar "alleged" criminal around here who has a long record of shady deals in the chicagoland.  you can look him up on wikipedia if you're bored, it's a nice read.
Anyways, to abbreviate for you:  there were some land swaps a couple years ago with Obama and Rezko that might've been less than legal.  Rezko was a big time fund raiser for Obama.  Rezko is currently in jail and has promised to cooperate with the FBI for a lighter sentence.  He's expected to either spill the beans on Obama or Blagojevich (the governor). 
It was announced this morning his trial has been pushed from today to December 16th (after the election) for no apparent reason.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/corsis_dull_hatchet.html

Corsi's Dull Hatchet
September 15, 2008
Jerome Corsi's "The Obama Nation" is a mishmash of unsupported conjecture, half-truths, logical fallacies and outright falsehoods.
Summary
Despite its place near the top of The New York Times' nonfiction bestseller list, where it has been riding high for the past six weeks, Jerome Corsi's "The Obama Nation" is not a reliable source of facts about Obama.

Corsi cites opinion columns and unsourced, anonymous blogs as if they were evidence of factual claims. Where he does cite legitimate news sources, he frequently distorts the facts. In some cases, Corsi simply ignores readily accessible information when it conflicts with his arguments. Among the errors we found:

Corsi claims that Obama "could claim to be a citizen of Kenya as well as of the United States." But the Kenyan Constitution specifically prohibits dual citizenship.
Corsi falsely states that Obama, who has admitted to drug use as a teenager, "has yet to answer" questions about whether he stopped using drugs. In fact, Obama has answered that question twice, including once in the autobiography that Corsi reviews in his book.
Corsi relies on claims from one of Obama's "closest" childhood friends to "prove" that Obama once was a practicing Muslim, without revealing that the witness later said he couldn't be certain about his claims and confessed to knowing Obama for only a few months.
Corsi claims that despite Obama's "rhetorically uplifting" speeches, the candidate has never detailed any specific plans. In fact, Obama's Web site is full of detailed policy proposals.

Analysis
Mary Matalin, the chief editor of the book's publisher, told The New York Times that the book is not political, but rather, "a piece of scholarship, and a good one at that." The prominent display of Corsi's academic title (he holds a Ph.D. in political science) seems clearly calculated to convey academic rigor. But as a scholarly work, "The Obama Nation" does not measure up. We judge it to be what a hack journalist might call a "paste-up job," gluing together snippets from here and there without much regard for their truthfulness or accuracy.

Corsi promises in his preface "to fully document all arguments and contentions I make, extensively footnoting all references, so readers can determine for themselves the truth and validity of the factual claims." Some of Corsi's claims do come complete with citations. But even a casual glance at Corsi's lengthy endnotes reveals that his "sources" include obscure Internet postings (which are themselves completely unsourced) and opinion columns from various conservative publications. In fact, on four occasions, Corsi cites himself as a source. Where Corsi does cite news sources, he sometimes presents only those that are consistent with his case while ignoring evidence that doesn't fit the picture he paints.

A comprehensive review of all the false claims in Corsi's book would itself be a book. Our review touches only on a few of the more blatant examples.


Careless Errors?


Even the best books sometimes contain errors that slip past both author and editor. But some of Corsi's inaccuracies can be debunked with a simple Internet search. In one instance, he makes an assertion that is disproved by the Obama biography that Corsi claims to be reviewing. These are the kinds of errors that people with a Ph.D. from Harvard don't usually make accidentally. For example, Corsi writes:

Corsi (page 103): Still Senator Barack Obama could claim to be a citizen of Kenya as well as of the United States. Obama can trace his heritage back to his mother, who was born in the United States and was an American citizen when he was born, and to his father, who was born in Kenya and was a Kenyan citizen when Obama was born.


 
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Corsi manages two false claims in these two short sentences. First, as we've already written, Kenya prohibits dual citizenship for anyone over the age of 21. So while one could make the case that Obama held both U.S. and Kenyan citizenship as a child and a youth, it's false to assert that he can claim dual citizenship now. Obama's claim to Kenyan citizenship expired more than two decades ago, on Aug. 4, 1982, when he turned 21 years old. This is a bit of elementary research that Corsi either overlooked or chose to ignore.

Corsi also overlooks basic history when he says Obama's father was a "Kenyan citizen" at the time of Obama's birth. Kenya was not yet a nation; it was officially "Kenya Colony" of Britain from 1920 through 1963, at which time it became "The Republic of Kenya." Obama's father was a British subject when his son was born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961. Kenya won its independence from the United Kingdom on December 12, 1963 – when Obama was 2 years old.

Corsi offers two more nice examples of easy-to-disprove claims when writing of Obama's early drug use. On page 76, Corsi states, "Why Obama chose to disclose he smoked marijuana and used cocaine at all remains a mystery." Actually, it's no mystery at all, at least to anyone who does a basic Internet search. Ours turned up a Washington Post article that reported:

Washington Post (Jan. 3, 2007): In an interview during his Senate race two years ago, Obama said he admitted using drugs because he thought it was important for "young people who are already in circumstances that are far more difficult than mine to know that you can make mistakes and still recover."

Corsi then slyly insinuates – without offering any evidence – that Obama might have "dealt drugs" in addition to using them. And he falsely claims that Obama has "yet to answer" whether he continued using drugs during his law school days or afterward.

Corsi (page 77): Still, Obama has yet to answer questions whether he ever dealt drugs, or if he stopped using marijuana and cocaine completely in college, or whether his drug usage extended into his law school days or beyond.

But the State Journal-Register of Springfield, Ill., reports Obama as saying in 2003 that he hadn't done drugs in more than 20 years, which means he wouldn't have done drugs in law school. Obama finished his undergraduate degree in 1983 and attended law school from 1988 to 1991. And that's the same answer that Obama gives in his autobiography, "Dreams from My Father," where he writes that shortly after his arrival as an undergraduate at Columbia University:

Obama ("Dreams," page 120): When Sadik lost his own lease, we moved in together. And after a few months of closer scrutiny, he began to realize that the city had indeed had an effect on me, although not the one he'd expected. I stopped getting high. I ran three miles a day and fasted on Sundays. For the first time in years, I applied myself to my studies and started keeping a journal of daily reflections and very bad poetry. Whenever Sadik tried to talk me into hitting a bar, I'd beg off with some tepid excuse, too much work or not enough cash.

So Obama has said at least twice that "he stopped using marijuana and cocaine completely in college," and one of those times is in the very book that Corsi is ostensibly reviewing.


Inconvenient Facts


Corsi ignores evidence that doesn't fit his chosen thesis. In discussing the baseless notion that Obama was secretly a Muslim at some point in his life, for example, Corsi relies heavily on published interviews with Zulfan Adi, an Indonesian who claimed to be one of Obama's closest childhood friends. Corsi writes:

Corsi (page 56): Adi said neighborhood Muslims worshipped in a nearby house. When the muezzin sounded the call to prayer, Adi remembered seeing Lolo [Obama's stepfather] and Barry [Obama] walk together to the makeshift mosque. "His mother often went to the church," Adi told the Times, "but Barry was a Muslim. I remember him wearing a sarong."

The "Times" is the Los Angeles Times, which did indeed report Adi's claims in a March 16, 2007, article. What Corsi leaves out is that the Chicago Tribune followed up on Adi's claims. When reporters for the Tribune interviewed Adi the following week, they received a much different response:

Chicago Tribune (March 25, 2007): Zulfan Adi, a former neighborhood playmate of Obama's who has been cited in news reports as saying Obama regularly attended Friday prayers with Soetoro, told the Tribune he was not certain about that when pressed about his recollections. He only knew Obama for a few months, during 1970, when his family moved to the neighborhood.

The Tribune also reported that "interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was in Indonesia." Corsi omits any reference to the Tribune article.

In fact, the entire third section of Corsi's book – titled "The Candidate Is the Message" – is a study in how to ignore evidence that doesn't fit. In one passage, Corsi complains:

Corsi (page 221): At the end of every rhetorically uplifting speech Obama gives about the future of hope, millions of listeners are still left pondering, "Now what exactly did he say?" If the politician is the message, as Axelrod and Obama have proclaimed, they can't forever avoid telling us what precisely that message is.

Contrary to Corsi's claim, Obama's Web site is packed with details of what he proposes to do if elected. He lays out descriptions of his policy proposals, including tax cuts for most families and increases for those making more than $250,000 per year; a $150 billion, 10-year program to develop alternative energy sources and more efficient vehicles; a proposal to increase the size of the Army by 65,000 troops and another to create a public health insurance plan for those whose employers don't offer health coverage. Whether or not one agrees with them, Obama has indeed presented detailed plans for dozens of policies. It's hard to see how anyone writing a book on Obama could fail to acknowledge their existence.


Guilt By Association


A frequent Corsi tactic is to point to some link between Obama and various unsavory persons and to imply that Obama somehow shares in their unsavoriness. He devotes an entire chapter to violent uprisings in Kenya following a disputed presidential election in 2007. The link to Obama? During a visit to Kenya in 2006, Obama and his wife, Michelle, arranged to take an AIDS test to publicly demonstrate the test's safety. While there, Obama spoke to the assembled crowd. Raila Odinga, one of the two candidates running for president, was on the stage when Obama spoke. Corsi concludes that the event constituted an endorsement of Odinga. He goes on to attribute all the violence in Kenya to an elaborate Odinga plot.

Corsi, however, offers no evidence that Obama actually did endorse Odinga. In fact, MSNBC reported that during that same trip, Obama also met with Mwai Kibaki, who was Odinga's opponent in that election, as well as with opposition leader Uhuru Kenyatta. And Human Rights Watch reported that both Odinga and Kibaki (or their supporters, anyway) had a hand in the violence that followed the election.

Other chapters offer more of the same regarding Obama's well-known connections to the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, to former Weather Underground fugitive (and now longtime professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago) William Ayers, and Obama's friend Tony Rezko, recently convicted in a celebrated corruption trial. Nowhere does Corsi demonstrate that Obama agrees with what Wright or Ayers have said or done, or that he broke any laws as Rezko did. Corsi completely ignores what Obama actually says about both Wright and Ayers. Nowhere in the book will be found Obama's March 14 statement rejecting Wright, when Obama said, "I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great country," or Obama's April 16 comment on Ayers, whom he said "engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago when I was 8 years old." Nor does Corsi offer anything new connecting Obama to Rezko, a relationship we've addressed twice in earlier articles.

Attempting to discredit Obama because of an association with unsavory people rather than with actual proof that Obama shares their views is an instance of a logical fallacy that philosophers call guilt-by-association. Corsi uses the technique to fill chapters three through seven.


Corsi's Track Record


Corsi is a renowned conspiracy theorist who says that George Bush is attempting to create a North American Union (we looked at that here) and that there is evidence that the World Trade Center may have collapsed because it was seeded with explosives. More recently, Corsi claimed that Obama released a fake birth certificate. We've debunked that twice now. And, as our colleagues at PolitiFact.com found, many of the themes in "The Obama Nation" are reworked versions of bogus chain e-mail smears.

Logically, any argument should rise or fall on its own merits, not the reputation of the person making it. A logical fallacy – known as the "genetic fallacy" – occurs when someone rejects an argument based on its origins. The correctness of a claim should be judged by the relationship the claim has with the rest of the world.

Nevertheless, a practical rule of thumb for everyday living is to rely on sources that have proven themselves to be trustworthy, and to check even on those when an issue is in dispute.

In Corsi's case, we judge that both his reputation and his latest book fall short when measured by the standards of good scholarship, or even of mediocre journalism.

– by Joe Miller
Sources
"Frank Talk about Drug Use in Obama's 'Open Book'," The State Journal-Register (Springfield, IL). 16 November 2003.

The British Nationality Act, 1948. 1948. 24 August 2008.

"The Constitution of Kenya." 1963 (revised, 2001). The Parliament of Kenya. 24 August 2008.

Romano, Lois, "Effect of Obama's Candor Remains to Be Seen." Washington Post. 3 January 2007.

Corsi, Jerome R. "The Obama Nation." Threshold Editions, 2008.

Obama, Barack. "Dreams from My Father." Three Rivers Press, 2004.

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Re: MCCAIN FINALLY found some Courage and Integrity today-Video
« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2008, 06:15:59 PM »



After attending an Obama speech, I saw and experienced firsthand where he mentioned and congratulated John Mccain as did Biden when he spoke, both men praising John Mccain.....the crowd surrounding me also applauded Mccain and did not demean him at all and had nothing but the highest respect.
You don`t get that at a a MCcain/Palin rally. Different type of people and mindset totally.
Notice how demeaning and dare I say ignorant these Mccain/Palin mobs are:
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Another from today.

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Re: MCCAIN FINALLY found some Courage and Integrity today-Video
« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2008, 06:29:58 PM »
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    While I understand your point, the title to this thread is way out of line. McCain's war record alone is testament to his relentless courage and, integrity.  I am suprised at you really, for you like to throw fancy launguage around in your posts so often.
 
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Re: MCCAIN FINALLY found some Courage and Integrity today-Video
« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2008, 09:42:58 PM »
His plan to attack Obamas charater has backfired.  When your supporters boo you at a rally you know you fucked up!.  I would be afraid to walk into a rally like that and im half white like Obama.   Its almost like Mcsame supporters r turning into the KKK :-\
50% of mcsame supporters from the south are serious confederates and would still love to have slavery to this day.

Trust me there are alot of people who cant spell thier own name correctly and think its still 1850 down there..