test only vs. test/random aas "X"

[axl86]

ok just to clarify what i am trying to find out here....if you were to run a typical mass strength cycle such as test E 400mg/week and eq at 200mg/week or whatever dosage you decide run, would that be more effective than just running test only at a higher dosage.  Basically if you ran test at a dose of 750mg/week compared to the combo of the two aas i listed above, which would produce higher gains?  I dont know if i am making this easy to understand?  anyone that can answer this...

[CAPTAIN INSANO]

ok just to clarify what i am trying to find out here....if you were to run a typical mass strength cycle such as test E 400mg/week and eq at 200mg/week or whatever dosage you decide run, would that be more effective than just running test only at a higher dosage.  Basically if you ran test at a dose of 750mg/week compared to the combo of the two aas i listed above, which would produce higher gains?  I dont know if i am making this easy to understand?  anyone that can answer this...

No, but it will present higher risks of sides at that dose...

If this is your first cycle, (By looks of your research), it is.

Just go with Test E 500 mg/week 10-12 weeks. No need for multiple compounds on a first cycle. You will grow like a weed if your diet and training is dialed in.

You would need to run the EQ 400-600 mg/week to see any NOTICEABLE gains for 12 weeks.

[axl86]

ok you caught me, first cycle here.  I have only been lifting 3 months, im gonna lift a year naturally before i do the cycle, so im still in my research stage...but after 9 more months of natural lifting, what kinda gains can i expect from 12 weeks of test at 500mg/week?  in the 3 months i have lifted so far i have gained 8 lbs.  and went from 185 max bench press to 235 lbs.  Before you laugh i only weigh between 145-150lbs.  So i guess that is not too awful bad? 

[CAPTAIN INSANO]

EAT MAN..

145-150 is no base for AAS. Maybe 180-200 lbs.

How old are you?

[DIVISION]

ok just to clarify what i am trying to find out here....if you were to run a typical mass strength cycle such as test E 400mg/week and eq at 200mg/week or whatever dosage you decide run, would that be more effective than just running test only at a higher dosage.  Basically if you ran test at a dose of 750mg/week compared to the combo of the two aas i listed above, which would produce higher gains?  I dont know if i am making this easy to understand?  anyone that can answer this...

Test/EQ is a "mass" cycle?

I don't think so, bro.

Yes, the total MG of androgens per week makes a difference, but there are ratios that should be followed...

The Test is highest, followed by the secondary anabolics you choose.

You want mass, try a Test/Deca/Winstrol cycle........



DIV

[4thAD]

I agree with DIV, but I'd run dbol rather than winny. I think you would be better off sticking to one compound at a lower dose for your first cycle. Worry about adding compounds down the road.


Really what you need to do is learn to train and eat!

[tbombz]

ok just to clarify what i am trying to find out here....if you were to run a typical mass strength cycle such as test E 400mg/week and eq at 200mg/week or whatever dosage you decide run, would that be more effective than just running test only at a higher dosage.  Basically if you ran test at a dose of 750mg/week compared to the combo of the two aas i listed above, which would produce higher gains?  I dont know if i am making this easy to understand?  anyone that can answer this...

i know what your asking.

750mg test vs. 500 test + 250 eq...

so your question is about synergy


before you read my snwer..know that these ae just my ideas and theories and that there isnt any hard science behind them... not any kind of studies or anythign to back them up. so take them as theory and idea NOT fact. okay ? okay.

the answer is dependant upon your individual body. if you grow better of of testosterone than off of eq, than youll grow better off of 750 test than 500 test +250 eq.


ive talked about this before.. its kind of a complicated theory that i have... but simply put 'synergy' is a myth... all AAS work through the androgen recpetor and there is no real synergistic effect to combingin two AAS, only synergistic efffect between adding more androgens OF ANY KIND. now, for greatest growth, you add more AAS of the strongest androgens (the ones YOU react best to)

some people grow very well off test, some people respnod better to tren, some to eq some to dbol...etc.    find the one that works best FOR YOU. run that steroid at the highest mg/week you are willing to run it.  if itsnot testosterone, then run some base testosterone as well... even as low 100mg test  per week if fine. just make sure you have some base testosterone that at least is equal to natural production.




there is one exception to this rule (in my theory) and that is in regards to nandralone (commonly known as DECA although it comes in a wide variety of esters. ). this steroid does provide some form of synergy because of its ability to help smoothen joints and help repair tendons and ligaments.




now this is only in regards to growth for other things it ismore complicated. for fat loss trenbolone and anavar have synergistic effects ( better fat burning, better intensity in the gym on low calories) and for some people equipoise may have some kind of synergistic effect because of its appetite increasing functions...


 

[tbombz]

Test/EQ is a "mass" cycle?

I don't think so, bro.


You want mass, try a Test/Deca/Winstrol cycle........



DIV

so what your saying, division, is that FOR YOU PERSONALLY, equipoise isnt that grat of a 'mass' drug? and that FOR YOU PERSONALLY deca will be a better steroid to use in a mass phase?

oh okay thanks.

[tolliscd]

agreed! if your going for mass go with dball over winny!! Also EQ is going to make you eat like crazy!! you will be hungry so often. Stick with the dball

I agree with DIV, but I'd run dbol rather than winny. I think you would be better off sticking to one compound at a lower dose for your first cycle. Worry about adding compounds down the road.


Really what you need to do is learn to train and eat!

[OTHstrong]

ok just to clarify what i am trying to find out here....if you were to run a typical mass strength cycle such as test E 400mg/week and eq at 200mg/week or whatever dosage you decide run, would that be more effective than just running test only at a higher dosage.  Basically if you ran test at a dose of 750mg/week compared to the combo of the two aas i listed above, which would produce higher gains?  I dont know if i am making this easy to understand?  anyone that can answer this...

I go with test alone.