For the experts...Sevastase, QuakerOats, GH15...Natural or not??????

[240 is Back]

Didnt he say he had used some when they were available at GNC...still impresive if that all as most people who take PH's look like shit anyway.

He looks like a guy who trains hard, has great genetics.  But the gyno and bloat look like prohormones.

he has a pimple where many people shoot, on the shoulder.  Hiding gyno means he's very aware of it.

Above all is his friend's assertion he uses nothing "illegal".  Insulin is perfectly legal.  hGh, androgel, etc, all perfectly legal if prescribed for any condition.  Jay Cutler doesn't break any laws either - is he natural?  His friend didn't help his case by chiming in with that defense.  Most BBing fans understand most Bbers use drugs.  It's when guys claim to be natural while sporting bloat, gyno, national-level physiques and claims of "I didn't break any laws" that getbig calls out bullshitters.

[Hypo]

Gyno, side chest shot (even with a blurry pic it is fucking obvious). Anyone that thinks it's because he has BGG is out of their mind. No way you could be that big AND lean.

Awesome physique by the way.

[DK II]

He looks like a guy who trains hard, has great genetics.  But the gyno and bloat look like prohormones.

he has a pimple where many people shoot, on the shoulder.  Hiding gyno means he's very aware of it.

Above all is his friend's assertion he uses nothing "illegal".  Insulin is perfectly legal.  hGh, androgel, etc, all perfectly legal if prescribed for any condition.  Jay Cutler doesn't break any laws either - is he natural?  His friend didn't help his case by chiming in with that defense.  Most BBing fans understand most Bbers use drugs.  It's when guys claim to be natural while sporting bloat, gyno, national-level physiques and claims of "I didn't break any laws" that getbig calls out bullshitters.

exactly, "legal" is the keyword here.

Assuming that you are "natural" because you don't do illegal drugs is utter bullshit though.

and, regarding "Prohormones", most of them are very potent designer steroids, see M1T, 1-Testosterone, Superdrol and a few others. Combine that with a few "legal" anti-estrogen supps and insulin and you are fine.

[Overload]

What a fucking train wreck.

Only one person knows the truth and that is the man himself. his friend claiming he is drug free just adds more laughter to this ordeal. how the fuck would he know? does he follow him around every second of every day?

Some people on this board are delusional and it's quite obvious many here don't know shit about steroids or bodybuilding for that matter.

Juiced to the tits, every single natural liar claims they got gyno from M1T. it's an epidemic these days.

Strong dude with a very impressive build, but he's about as natural as Mike Lockett and Ronnie Coleman.

The water retention theory is such a load of crap, i know guys who are ripped just like him and use 2000mg Test every week. the key is to look at his face, it is not sucken in like a naturals face is when they compete.

[RC Money]

Gyno, side chest shot (even with a blurry pic it is fucking obvious). Anyone that thinks it's because he has BGG is out of their mind. No way you could be that big AND lean.

Awesome physique by the way.

I agree I dont think its because of his "big gay genes", but I do think his "big black genes" could have helped him out quite a bit.

[Meso_z]

if hes natural, then im santa claus.

[lee]

What it Dew KONCRETE....... Say 4 all of yall hating on my boy that aint nothing but HARD HARD work. I put my time in wit him in the gym and he just works that Damn HARD!!!!!!! So I know alot of u want to bring him down that aint going to happen.....Its just SAD that sombody does good and put's in WORK and yall got to HATE............ DO IT BIG DAWG.......

[QuakerOats]

What it Dew KONCRETE....... Say 4 all of yall hating on my boy that aint nothing but HARD HARD work. I put my time in wit him in the gym and he just works that Damn HARD!!!!!!! So I know alot of u want to bring him down that aint going to happen.....Its just SAD that sombody does good and put's in WORK and yall got to HATE............ DO IT BIG DAWG.......

no one is saying that he doesn't work hard "dawg" or "homie", we're just saying that he's not natural, no hate just truth.

[Cleanest Natural]

What it Dew KONCRETE....... Say 4 all of yall hating on my boy that aint nothing but HARD HARD work. I put my time in wit him in the gym and he just works that Damn HARD!!!!!!! So I know alot of u want to bring him down that aint going to happen.....Its just SAD that sombody does good and put's in WORK and yall got to HATE............ DO IT BIG DAWG.......

Your boy is aliar and that's that

very nice body and great strength ... but why lie ?

btw you are not adressing wanabees and beginners "homie "

someof us have been around this shit longer than you might think ...

stop amberesing yourself " dawg " 

[adrain]

SUP FRANK, AND LEE? HOWS LIFE? THANKS FOR YOUR WORDS!  But regaurdless if I had gyno or not these dudes would be saying the same damn thing! But its cool, They dnt knw the ground & pound workouts we have been in!  They dnt know the time spent, they dnt know how many people told us we were crazy for working out like we did. Our workouts are real, and the results are real! But thanks for your words anyways!  I just hate when people try to discredit the work I put in and the progress I made without the aid of roids, hgh, insul! Someone said I had bloat, Its not bloat its called fat! I was one week into my diet in that pic! I have friends on both side of the table, I have no prob with people who use more power to them!  I just choose not to! Like I said I have taken pro hormones 3 or 4 years ago, that by far is the strongest substance that has entered my body!   I have never taken any illegal drug nor any drug banned by any of the natural orgs { hgh, insul, none of it!]. when I took the ph they were not banned. I do want to thanks Everybody on here, for inspiring me to have The BEST WORKOUT I've had all year today!

[240 is Back]

SUP FRANK, AND LEE? HOWS LIFE? THANKS FOR YOUR WORDS!  But regaurdless if I had gyno or not these dudes would be saying the same damn thing! But its cool, They dnt knw the ground & pound workouts we have been in!  They dnt know the time spent, they dnt know how many people told us we were crazy for working out like we did. Our workouts are real, and the results are real! But thanks for your words anyways!  I just hate when people try to discredit the work I put in and the progress I made without the aid of roids, hgh, insul! Someone said I had bloat, Its not bloat its called fat! I was one week into my diet in that pic! I have friends on both side of the table, I have no prob with people who use more power to them!  I just choose not to! Like I said I have taken pro hormones 3 or 4 years ago, that by far is the strongest substance that has entered my body!   I have never taken any illegal drug nor any drug banned by any of the natural orgs { hgh, insul, none of it!]. when I took the ph they were not banned. I do want to thanks Everybody on here, for inspiring me to have The BEST WORKOUT I've had all year today!

What supplements have you taken in the last 2 years?

How long did you dose with prohormones for?  Is that when they gyno arrived?

[QuakerOats]

SUP FRANK, AND LEE? HOWS LIFE? THANKS FOR YOUR WORDS!  But regaurdless if I had gyno or not these dudes would be saying the same damn thing! But its cool, They dnt knw the ground & pound workouts we have been in!  They dnt know the time spent, they dnt know how many people told us we were crazy for working out like we did. Our workouts are real, and the results are real! But thanks for your words anyways!  I just hate when people try to discredit the work I put in and the progress I made without the aid of roids, hgh, insul! Someone said I had bloat, Its not bloat its called fat! I was one week into my diet in that pic! I have friends on both side of the table, I have no prob with people who use more power to them!  I just choose not to! Like I said I have taken pro hormones 3 or 4 years ago, that by far is the strongest substance that has entered my body!   I have never taken any illegal drug nor any drug banned by any of the natural orgs { hgh, insul, none of it!]. when I took the ph they were not banned. I do want to thanks Everybody on here, for inspiring me to have The BEST WORKOUT I've had all year today!

nobody is saying that you don't work hard jackass, you bench 500 pounds it's OBVIOUS that you train brutally hard, the part i have a problem with is claiming that you're natural when you're not, why not just say "no comment" when people ask you?

[adrain]

Y SAY NO COMMENT?  CAUSE I HAVENT?  WOULD U ADMIT TO SOMETHING YOU HAVENT DONE?

[QuakerOats]

Y SAY NO COMMENT?  CAUSE I HAVENT?  WOULD U ADMIT TO SOMETHING YOU HAVENT DONE?

if you HONESTLY haven't ever used drugs before then you literally have the best genetics for building muscle than any human being who ever lived, Ronnie Coleman, Jay Cutler, Shwarzenegger and Sergio Oliva included, congratulations.

[DK II]

You must be from Krypton if you're natural.

[RC Money]

Y SAY NO COMMENT?  CAUSE I HAVENT?  WOULD U ADMIT TO SOMETHING YOU HAVENT DONE?

Maybe these guys know you better than you do your self

[adrain]

past two years protein fat burners multi vits!  I DID PH little over a year, my nips started gettin sore so i stopped!  The problem is I didnt know any thing about them I really didnt cycle them right, i Didnt know they were that strong, was told they were still considered natural, didnt know about the side effects, Before the I was doing tested powerlifting meets, then the guy asked if i would be his heavyweight in a local bb comp! I tried it and got 2nd place, standin next to guy who werent clean!  I was told i could take this far if i wanted too, just needed to decide if i was stayin clean or switch to the dark side! I chose clean, then he said well you need to start training eating and supps like a bodybuilder, cause at the time I used no supps, and ate twice a day.  So he made me an offseason diet with 6 meals, and told me to get potein weight gainer m1t.  I figure if i could get at gcn it was cool.  So i did!

[QuakerOats]

hahahaha, ok "adrain".

[adrain]

what you dnt understand, is I have been on stage before and have gotten Smoked!!!  Its all just now starting to come togather!  1st the judges told me my arms and chest overpowered everything else, ands since i was tall I need my legs fuller!  So for the past years I ve been workin on catching these parts up! I chilled on the arms and chest focused on legs back and lats. THis past year I focused on my condition. i lost some muscle to get thight as i can

[QuakerOats]

what you dnt understand, is I have been on stage before and have gotten Smoked!!!  Its all just now starting to come togather!  1st the judges told me my arms and chest overpowered everything else, ands since i was tall I need my legs fuller!  So for the past years I ve been workin on catching these parts up! I chilled on the arms and chest focused on legs back and lats. THis past year I focused on my condition. i lost some muscle to get thight as i can

i'll put it to you like this man, if you ever did decide to juice you would be an unbeatable perennial Mr. Olympia.

[adrain]

dnt knw bout all that! Im just tryin to reach my personal goals'

[Emmortal]

I just choose not to! Like I said I have taken pro hormones 3 or 4 years ago, that by far is the strongest substance that has entered my body! 

I DID PH little over a year, my nips started gettin sore so i stopped!

So which is it? You did PH which are just oral steroids anyway, 3-4 years ago or a little over a year ago?

It's usually a good idea to get your lies straight before posting here.  We have a keen eye for bullshitters.

[QuakerOats]

So which is it? You did PH which are just oral steroids anyway, 3-4 years ago or a little over a year ago?

It's usually a good idea to get your lies straight before posting here.  We have a keen eye for bullshitters.

Pro hormones are NOWHERE NEAR oral steroids.

[Emmortal]

Pro hormones are NOWHERE NEAR oral steroids.

Some are very close, some like TrenExtreme are just oral Trenbelone.  Superdrol which some refer to as a PH is really a PS and a methylated version of Masteron.  So yea, some actually are.

[adrain]

did u read the guestion? It was ask how long did i take them for! I took them 4 bout a year! That was bout 3 year ago! 4 THE PAST TWO I HAVE NOT!