For the experts...Sevastase, QuakerOats, GH15...Natural or not??????

[Jerryme7]

jerry me, i THOUGHT i saw you in those contest pics !   

Yup, Im in those pics! That was the final posedown for all the class winners.

[Jerryme7]

You don't have to 'believe he is natural' he already said he used prohormones which are steroids.

Yes, prohormones are but they are no where in the league as the conventional steriods!

Prohormones do not stay in the body as long as the real ones do

[DK II]

Yes, prohormones are but they are no where in the league as the conventional steriods!

Prohormones do not stay in the body as long as the real ones do

Are you really that dumb??

PH do not stay as long in the body?? Ever heard of oral steroids or short esters??

M1T and several other legal available products are real, grown up steroids.

Adrain has a great build, but he was juicing for a year.

[Jerryme7]

Are you really that dumb??

PH do not stay as long in the body?? Ever heard of oral steroids or short esters??

M1T and several other legal available products are real, grown up steroids.

Adrain has a great build, but he was juicing for a year.

Question is, do you know what the hell youre talking about? Youre the one thats dumb.

Prohormones dont have a long half-life. They actually have a short half-life thats why most need to be taken 3-4 times a day. Most prohormones have a half live of just 2 hours and clear the body in a matter of days.

As for short esters, you are totally wrong on that, the shorter the ester, the shorter the half life. The longer the ester, the longer the half life. Boldenone has a long half-life. Do you get it now?

Supplements companies are trying to make a prohormone with a longer half life so it can remain in the body longer. The longer the half life, the lesser the frequent doses are.

You seem to be such an "expert" DonkeyKong (yeah right)

And as for M1T half life, there is speculation that the half life can range from 8-12 hours to 48 hours or ranging from 3-4 days. It hasnt been confirmed.

[DK II]

Question is, do you know what the hell youre talking about? Youre the one thats dumb.

Prohormones dont have a long half-life. They actually have a short half-life thats why most need to be taken 3-4 times a day. Most prohormones have a half live of just 2 hours and clear the body in a matter of days.

As for short esters, you are totally wrong on that, the shorter the ester, the shorter the half life. The longer the ester, the longer the half life. Boldenone has a long half-life. Do you get it now?

Supplements companies are trying to make a prohormone with a longer half life so it can remain in the body longer. The longer the half life, the lesser the frequent doses are.

You seem to be such an "expert" DonkeyKong (yeah right)

You misunderstood me, and sorry for calling you dumb.

What i say is:

The difference between PH and Steroids is NOT in the halflife. There are tons of roids with a short half life that have to be take a few times a day, and M1T is one of them.

We do not talk PH here, they are ineffective and worthless. However, oral designer steroids like M1T, 1-Test, Superdrol and the likes are oral steroids just like Dianabol and others. Both have a short half life.

Get me?

[Jerryme7]

I got you.

Thanks!

Im sorry for misunderstanding you, DonkeyKong.

And I do agree with you, M1T, 1-Test, Superdrol  are steriods.

But I believe that Adrian could be natural since going off prohormones. People generally dont tend to keep the gains from them when they get off.

Trust me, Ive had bad experiences from pro hormones years ago...never again will I use them. 

[JOCKTHEGLIDE]

you guyz this fella,,,is not natural he has taken some orals here and there,,tren there tren here just orals,,,with black genetics he responded well to homrones you can tell he didnt take long cycles.  Just typical black man with good genectics that responds,,,,well to hormones nothing more nothing less.  this fella be only 185lbs to 195lbs natural at 6'2" remember folks at 5'10" man can be 185lbs tops with single digit bodyfat,,,17inch arms lean he has 21 arms he taken orals,,,,,

[DK II]

you guyz this fella,,,is not natural he has taken some orals here and there,,tren there tren here just orals,,,with black genetics he responded well to homrones you can tell he didnt take long cycles.  Just typical black man with good genectics that responds,,,,well to hormones nothing more nothing less.  this fella be only 185lbs to 195lbs natural at 6'2" remember folks at 5'10" man can be 185lbs tops with single digit bodyfat,,,17inch arms lean he has 21 arms he taken orals,,,,,

LMAO!! Well done!

(Wrong account??) 

[Cleanest Natural]

You misunderstood me, and sorry for calling you dumb.

What i say is:

The difference between PH and Steroids is NOT in the halflife. There are tons of roids with a short half life that have to be take a few times a day, and M1T is one of them.

We do not talk PH here, they are ineffective and worthless. However, oral designer steroids like M1T, 1-Test, Superdrol and the likes are oral steroids just like Dianabol and others. Both have a short half life.

Get me?

"M1T and several other legal available products are real, grown up steroids. "

Since when do you know anything about gear ?

You an expert huh ? What .. you know about roids cause you red about them ?  

Dianabol is a corticosteroid ... google everything and learn more about it hahahaha

[Meso_z]

meso ITS EASY TO RUN UR MOUTH BEHIND YOUR COMPUTER!

Look whos talking. 

[DK II]

"M1T and several other legal available products are real, grown up steroids. "

Since when do you know anything about gear ?

You an expert huh ? What .. you know about roids cause you red about them ?  

Dianabol is a corticosteroid ... google everything and learn more about it hahahaha

STFU.

You don't know anything about roids, otherwise you would not look like shit after 100mg D-Bol ed and 1000mg Test.

[Cleanest Natural]

STFU.

You don't know anything about roids, otherwise you would not look like shit after 100mg D-Bol ed and 1000mg Test.

Epic avoiding the question

did you ever used steroids ? for how long and how much ?

if never ...please refrain from oppinions based on what you read in books and online hahahahaha

[DK II]

Epic avoiding the question

did you ever used steroids ? for how long and how much ?

if never ...please refrain from oppinions based on what you read in books and online hahahahaha

No, i never used steroids.

But i can tell the difference between long and short esters and between a "Prohormone" and a Designer steroid.

You don't have to be a user to talk about these things, that's the typical BS you get from people without theoretic knowledge.

I do not talk about monster dosing or the effects on the body, what i stated are straight facts that no one can deny.


You really are the biggest idiot on this board sev, and your hate for me really starts to annoy me. You creep after me, comment on every post i do, you are so obsessed with me i get the creeps.

[Cleanest Natural]

No, i never used steroids.

But i can tell the difference between long and short esters and between a "Prohormone" and a Designer steroid.

You don't have to be a user to talk about these things, that's the typical BS you get from people without theoretic knowledge.

I do not talk about monster dosing or the effects on the body, what i stated are straight facts that no one can deny.


You really are the biggest idiot on this board sev, and your hate for me really starts to annoy me. You creep after me, comment on every post i do, you are so obsessed with me i get the creeps.

aCTUALLY IS THE OTHER WAY AROUND

I explained you once ...stop yapping about it . Act like an adult. Come on.

[DK II]

aCTUALLY IS THE OTHER WAY AROUND

I explained you once ...stop yapping about it . Act like an adult. Come on.

 

[Cleanest Natural]

it's like this : you talk about woemen too but you never had sex with one. Same thing.

[DK II]

it's like this : you talk about woemen too but you never had sex with one. Same thing.

STFU, will you please.

I will not comment on your stupidities anymore, so PLEASE leave me alone.

PLEASE.

[Cleanest Natural]

STFU, will you please.

I will not comment on your stupidities anymore, so PLEASE leave me alone.

PLEASE.

Oh brother ...this has to be one of the most blatant submissive/gay innuendos EVER.

[adrain]

Adrian is a good guy.

I competed against him at the Colorado Natural and he impressed the hell out of me.

He has awesome genetics! And I do believe he is natural.

He doesnt have a "fake" look to his muscles. I believe if Adrian decided not to be natural, he would be the next Freeman.

230 pounds is not that big for someone who is 6'3" or 6'4". If he juiced he would be up in the 260s-280s for someone his height with a bodyfat percentage of below 10 percent.

Remember what I posted almost a year ago? I competed clean at 190 pounds with Adrian. Im only 5'10" and a half while Adrian is over 6'3" and competed at the show at 230 pounds. During the show (Colorado Natural), you could tell he was retaining water.

He wasnt as cut up as he could have been at that show. I believe that if he shed all that water, he would have been at 215-220 pounds very shredded and cut. 215 minus 190 pounds equates to a difference of 25 pounds he outweighs me in contest shape. For Adrian's height it makes a lot of sense.

Like I said, if Adrian was juiced up, he would be 260-280 pounds.

I believe he is natural.

True what u said about me with the water! For the past two years Ive been doin my own diet, so its hit or miss! EACH YEAR I'M LEARNING HOW TO GET DRYIER.  MAN HAVE THEY BASHED U ON HERE LIKE THIS YET? U TOO PACK ALOT OF MUSCLE, AND HAVE AN AWESOME BUILD! SIC SIC CRAB SHOT!! BTW.  But yea when ph's came out and were legal and the NEW HOT thing I tried them, Now these people say m1t is just the same as roids' lol I DO NOT AGREE WITH ALL THAT!  I KNOW GUYS WHO USE ROIDS, AND SEE THE CHANGES THEIR BODIES MAKE! NOWHERE NEAR THE SAME!   PH'S,  JUST LIKE MOST OTHER SUPPS, ARE A WASTE OF MONEY! SO what show are u doin next? U will do DAMAGE NO MATTER WHAT  show u do!  MUCH PROPS!

[warma]

Jealousy is a bitch!

[DK II]

Ignorance is too

[gh15]

This guy claims natural:

http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/BIGKONCRETE/

"MY GOAL IS TO GET MY NATURAL PRO CARD! WHEN I GET MY CARD, THAT WOULD BE MY MAJOR ACCOMPLISHMENT!"

530 pound bench/50 inch chest (almost big as Arnolds)/618 pound squat/515 deads/competes I think 240s-250s??

His Forum signature is  Natural til I die!!

If this guy is truly natural, imagine how he would dominate the sport once he juices!

dont have time to reead through all this nonsense,,,fella is hormonized and do have very good physiqe,,dont ever expect from a bodybuilder to admit the truth! remember what gh15 told you here ,,,very few are the honest ones and they usually do not make any living what so ever from bodybuilding
end of case dont wanna hear nothign about it

[WillGrant]

dont have time to reead through all this nonsense,,,fella is hormonized and do have very good physiqe,,dont ever expect from a bodybuilder to admit the truth! remember what gh15 told you here ,,,very few are the honest ones and they usually do not make any living what so ever from bodybuilding
end of case dont wanna hear nothign about it

Fuk up 

[DK II]

True what u said about me with the water! For the past two years Ive been doin my own diet, so its hit or miss! EACH YEAR I'M LEARNING HOW TO GET DRYIER.  MAN HAVE THEY BASHED U ON HERE LIKE THIS YET? U TOO PACK ALOT OF MUSCLE, AND HAVE AN AWESOME BUILD! SIC SIC CRAB SHOT!! BTW.  But yea when ph's came out and were legal and the NEW HOT thing I tried them, Now these people say m1t is just the same as roids' lol I DO NOT AGREE WITH ALL THAT!  I KNOW GUYS WHO USE ROIDS, AND SEE THE CHANGES THEIR BODIES MAKE! NOWHERE NEAR THE SAME!   PH'S,  JUST LIKE MOST OTHER SUPPS, ARE A WASTE OF MONEY! SO what show are u doin next? U will do DAMAGE NO MATTER WHAT  show u do!  MUCH PROPS!

LMAO!!

You don't agree?

How bout this?

[adrain]

LOL!  So what would you like me to tell people Donkey?  TO take M1t/ph's a few times,  or ANYTHING else they can buy from Gnc or any OTHER supp store.  Then four years later it will KICK IN, AND THEY COULD EXPECT TO bench over 500lbs, their arms will grow to be 20 in.  THEY WILL BECOME BIGGER STRONGER FASTER! FOUR YEARS LATER?  ITs been revealed that you dont know what your talking about either when it comes to this.  U MAY read alot but you have no EXPERIENCE! Why should anyone listen to you? U cant JUDGE ME!