For the experts...Sevastase, QuakerOats, GH15...Natural or not??????

[Emmortal]

btw, sevatese

your a smart guy (i'm not trying to be sarcastic) but why are you doing 2 hours of cardio when any form of empty stomach HIIT is wayyyyy more efficient

Interval training on an empty stomach and not on juice = bye bye muscle.

[johnnynoname]

Interval training on an empty stomach and not on juice = bye bye muscle.

then again, my goals are different then others
If you want that bruce lee look then tabata's on a empty are the way to go- i mean it is only 4 minutes

I can't speak for the "ronnie coleman" wannabe's of the world

[Cleanest Natural]

btw, sevatese

your a smart guy (i'm not trying to be sarcastic) but why are you doing 2 hours of cardio when any form of empty stomach HIIT is wayyyyy more efficient

no it's not IMO....

you need the heart rate to be around 60 % in order to burn fat as fuel ...and not stimulate the muscle too much as itwould belike a workout ...
that's the whole purpose of slow cardio

and I do 1 hour in da mornin and one sometime later or at night

[johnnynoname]

no it's not IMO....

you need the heart rate to be around 60 % in order to burn fat as fuel ...and not stimulate the muscle too much as itwould belike a workout ...
that's the whole purpose of slow cardio

and I do 1 hour in da mornin and one sometime later or at night

while it is not my cup of tea, it is still a valid means of fat burning

to each his own

[Emmortal]

then again, my goals are different then others
If you want that bruce lee look then tabata's on a empty are the way to go- i mean it is only 4 minutes

I can't speak for the "ronnie coleman" wannabe's of the world

Your goals are irrelevant.  When you put your body into a high state of effort it's going to use the most efficient fuel available, and when you have nothing in your stomach it's going to burn protein first before fat.  Protein = muscle.  If you drank some BCAA's or a protein shake before doing it you'd spare muscle wasting while exerting the effort to complete the cardio.

[m8]

This guy is natural too.



I believe him.

[johnnynoname]

Your goals are irrelevant.  When you put your body into a high state of effort it's going to use the most efficient fuel available, and when you have nothing in your stomach it's going to burn protein first before fat.  Protein = muscle.  If you drank some BCAA's or a protein shake before doing it you'd spare muscle wasting while exerting the effort to complete the cardio.

your points are valid but through the years I have not felt overtrained or in a anticatabolic state while doing tabatas on a empty

again, to each his own

I'll put it this way, HIIT on a empty might not be the "way to go for everyone" but they have done right by me

[RC Money]

This guy is natural too.



I believe him.

pretty big natty right there...that what 100% natural hard work gets you.

Skip and Jeff look small next to the super natty Gus.

[TrueGrit]

This guy is natural too.



I believe him.

I truly believe that he is the greatest natural ever..Proof that you can build a world class physique without evil 'roids'.

[Cleanest Natural]

I truly believe that he is the greatest natural ever..Proof that you can build a world class physique without evil 'roids'.

[HTexan]

how come when I reply to something said ITS A MELTDOWN? LOL U DUDES ARE SOMETHING ELSE,

Epic meltdown.   

[Howard]

This guy is natural too.



I believe him.

Here is my 2 cents on the is he really natural issue.
Until they do actual drug testing at the biggest events, it is a NON issue in hardcore bodybuilding.
The reality is that we have a lot of big freaky guys out there on a lot of juice, no juice or a little juice, etc.
The biggest shows only care about what you bring on stage and drug use is a NON issue.
It may be a fun debate, but only the actual bodybuilder really knows what they are on or not.

[HTexan]

Here is my 2 cents on the is he really natural issue.
Until they do actual drug testing at the biggest events, it is a NON issue in hardcore bodybuilding.
The reality is that we have a lot of big freaky guys out there on a lot of juice, no juice or a little juice, etc.
The biggest shows only care about what you bring on stage and drug use is a NON issue.
It may be a fun debate, but only the actual bodybuilder really knows what they are on or not.

Side effects are a good sign you're on tho.

[Gino30]

classic Getbig thread....

every man for himself

newbies getting owned

cock munchers being cock munchers (i.e donky Nuts)

solid thread

[DK II]

classic Getbig thread....

every man for himself

newbies getting owned

cock munchers being cock munchers (i.e donky Nuts)

solid thread

 

[drkaje]

Aside from the gyno and possible bacne he looks natural. definitely good genetics but I guess it comes down to what you call natural. I took prohormones 5 or 6 years ago so someone would say I'm not natural.

[adrain]

well i do have gyno' but no bacne'  YOUR right it depends on what PEOPLE BELIEVE IS NATURAL' Under the rules of any of these natural org. I would be able to compete.

[drkaje]

well i do have gyno' but no bacne'  YOUR right it depends on what PEOPLE BELIEVE IS NATURAL' Under the rules of any of these natural org. I would be able to compete.

Couldn't tell if it was just a grainy pic.

People argue here about what natural is all the time and anyone in above average shape gets accused of doing drugs.

[RC Money]

how come when I reply to something said ITS A MELTDOWN? LOL U DUDES ARE SOMETHING ELSE,

because the fags that say that do indeed melt down all time and believe that everyone takes a bb forum as seriously as they do.

its a defense mechanism used when they have been thouroughly owned.

[QuakerOats]

because the fags that say that do indeed melt down all time and believe that everyone takes a bb forum as seriously as they do.

its a defense mechanism used when they have been thouroughly owned.

hahahaha, coming from the guy who was melting down left and right when Bluto was calling you a smurf.

[RC Money]

hahahaha, coming from the guy who was melting down left and right when Bluto was calling you a smurf.

haha coming from the fag who melted down when a known homosexual severely owned his ass. its just the internet you fat fag.

[QuakerOats]

haha coming from the fag who melted down when a known homosexual severely owned his ass. its just the internet you fat fag.

hahahaaa, then why do you sound so angry and call me names? sounds like you're the one smashing your keyboard and crying.

[RC Money]

hahahaaa, then why do you sound so angry and call me names? sounds like you're the one smashing your keyboard and crying.

im sorry it was completely uncalled for

just because you get all heated over people on the internet dosent mean everyone else does studd.

[QuakerOats]

im sorry it was completely uncalled for

just because you get all heated over people on the internet dosent mean everyone else does studd.

hahahahaa, i had you wrapped around my finger when i called you out on your bullshit lifting claims, you went to the gym in a rage and did some hate reps with your fat powerlifter build.

[RC Money]

hahahahaa, i had you wrapped around my finger when i called you out on your bullshit lifting claims, you went to the gym in a rage and did some hate reps with your fat powerlifter build.

fat power lifter build

hey compare our pictures dumbass. you look like shit and you think I juice, nuff said.

id ask how you scored maggie but then i remeber that she's a vile repugnant obese piece of shit of a trailer park whore...so you two fit well together