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« on: October 15, 2008, 01:40:03 PM »

its in pdf. format : http://www.jobfox.com/Site/Employer/pdf/TopJobsJuly08.pdf

good article
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« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2008, 06:53:06 AM »

great article, thanks!!!
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« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2008, 12:24:44 AM »

#3 right here biotches!!!!!!!!! Grin  Wiping ass and giving enemas pays off bigtime in CALI!
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« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2008, 12:46:46 AM »

#3 right here biotches!!!!!!!!! Grin  Wiping ass and giving enemas pays off bigtime in CALI!

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I would rather push a pencil than a wheelchair
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« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2008, 12:49:04 AM »

Lips sealed

I would rather push a pencil than a wheelchair

Most days me too! LOL.  But I make damn good money and get 4 days off.  Ability to pick up extra shifts and make even more bank.  Flexability to go anywhere and do anything within the medical field.  It has it's perks.  Plus there is always hot nursing ass and ancillary personnel walking around.  I swear I think a prerequisite to be a Speech therapist is you have to be totally hot and fuckable.  Free needles and aldactone is a major plus as well Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2008, 01:02:09 AM »

Most days me too! LOL.  But I make damn good money and get 4 days off.  Ability to pick up extra shifts and make even more bank.  Flexability to go anywhere and do anything within the medical field.  It has it's perks.  Plus there is always hot nursing ass and ancillary personnel walking around.  I swear I think a prerequisite to be a Speech therapist is you have to be totally hot and fuckable.  Free needles and aldactone is a major plus as well Smiley

I guess Huh the idea of a male nurse is disturbing for me  Cheesy LOL

Im @ no. 4 in auditing - long hours
probably won't do this for the rest of my life. Have so many more interests to pursue.

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« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2008, 01:06:46 AM »

I guess Huh I the idea of a male nurse is disturbing for me  Cheesy LOL

Im @ no. 4 in auditing
Don't see myself doing this for the rest of my life. Have so many more interests to pursue.



LMAO. 

Yeah me too.  But the economy has put the kabosh on those plans.
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« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2008, 04:28:10 AM »

prostitution is the profession that will sustain any crisis, recession, depression...even wars
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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2008, 11:21:51 PM »

LOL
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« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2008, 08:29:19 PM »

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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2010, 01:48:57 PM »

I've said it before and I'll say it again: nurses are golden!


Specialist nurses paid higher salaries than family doctors
Parija Kavilanz, senior writer, On Thursday March 11, 2010, 2:32 pm EST

Despite the growing shortage of family doctors in the United States, medical centers last year offered higher salaries and incentives to specialist nurses than to primary care doctors, according to an annual survey of physicians' salaries.

Primary care doctors were offered an average base salary of $173,000 in 2009 compared to an average base salary of $189,000 offered to certified nurse anesthetists, or CRNAs, according to the latest numbers from Merritt Hawkins & Associates, a physician recruiting and consulting firm.

And the firm's projections for 2010 indicate that the average base salary for family physicians will be about $178,000 compared to $186,000 for CRNAs.

CRNAs are advanced practice nurses who administer anesthesia to patients. An important distinction between CRNAs and anesthesiologist is that when anesthesia is administered by a nurse anesthetist, it is still recognized as the practice of nursing rather than a practice of medicine

"It's the fourth year in a row that CRNAs were recruited at a higher pay than a family doctor," said Kurt Mosley, staffing expert with Merritt Hawkins & Associates.

CRNA salaries have trended higher as the number of surgical procedures picked up pace over the past few years, fueling demand for anesthesiologists and anesthetists.

Mosley said medical doctors and specialists, including anesthesiologists, typically have four to five years more of medical training than CRNAs. After spending a lot of time speaking with physicians around the country, he said many family doctors are starting to feel like "second-class citizens."

This type of income disparity "won't make them feel better," he said. Most primary care doctors say they're already struggling to make ends meet as their costs rise faster than what Medicare and private insurers are paying them .

Looking at these compensation trends, the biggest concern for the nation's health care system is how to encourage more medical students to pick primary care as their specialty at a time when the nation is already facing a shortage of about 60,000 primary care doctors.

"The demand for primary care doctors will increase twofold when health reform happens and millions of more Americans have access to health care," said Mosley. "Who is going to triage these patients? It's not the neurologist or pulmonologist. It has to be the primary care doctor."

The American Association of Nurse Anesthetists (AANA) maintains that CRNAs are being fairly compensated.

"From our perspective, we are fairly compensated for the level of responsibility that we shoulder," said Lisa Thiemann, senior director of professional services with the AANA.

"We are at the head of the patient's bed. We deliver anesthesia and we keep the patient safe," said Thiemann, who has been a CRNA for 14 years.

"Once nurses and physicians arrive at anesthesia training, we use the same textbooks and same cases. The training is not too different between the two groups," she said. "We all deliver anesthesia the same way."
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« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2010, 04:58:39 PM »

I've said it before and I'll say it again: nurses are golden!


Specialist nurses paid higher salaries than family doctors
Parija Kavilanz, senior writer, On Thursday March 11, 2010, 2:32 pm EST

Despite the growing shortage of family doctors in the United States, medical centers last year offered higher salaries and incentives to specialist nurses than to primary care doctors, according to an annual survey of physicians' salaries.

Primary care doctors were offered an average base salary of $173,000 in 2009 compared to an average base salary of $189,000 offered to certified nurse anesthetists, or CRNAs, according to the latest numbers from Merritt Hawkins & Associates, a physician recruiting and consulting firm.

And the firm's projections for 2010 indicate that the average base salary for family physicians will be about $178,000 compared to $186,000 for CRNAs.

CRNAs are advanced practice nurses who administer anesthesia to patients. An important distinction between CRNAs and anesthesiologist is that when anesthesia is administered by a nurse anesthetist, it is still recognized as the practice of nursing rather than a practice of medicine

"It's the fourth year in a row that CRNAs were recruited at a higher pay than a family doctor," said Kurt Mosley, staffing expert with Merritt Hawkins & Associates.

CRNA salaries have trended higher as the number of surgical procedures picked up pace over the past few years, fueling demand for anesthesiologists and anesthetists.

Mosley said medical doctors and specialists, including anesthesiologists, typically have four to five years more of medical training than CRNAs. After spending a lot of time speaking with physicians around the country, he said many family doctors are starting to feel like "second-class citizens."

This type of income disparity "won't make them feel better," he said. Most primary care doctors say they're already struggling to make ends meet as their costs rise faster than what Medicare and private insurers are paying them .

Looking at these compensation trends, the biggest concern for the nation's health care system is how to encourage more medical students to pick primary care as their specialty at a time when the nation is already facing a shortage of about 60,000 primary care doctors.

"The demand for primary care doctors will increase twofold when health reform happens and millions of more Americans have access to health care," said Mosley. "Who is going to triage these patients? It's not the neurologist or pulmonologist. It has to be the primary care doctor."

The American Association of Nurse Anesthetists (AANA) maintains that CRNAs are being fairly compensated.

"From our perspective, we are fairly compensated for the level of responsibility that we shoulder," said Lisa Thiemann, senior director of professional services with the AANA.

"We are at the head of the patient's bed. We deliver anesthesia and we keep the patient safe," said Thiemann, who has been a CRNA for 14 years.

"Once nurses and physicians arrive at anesthesia training, we use the same textbooks and same cases. The training is not too different between the two groups," she said. "We all deliver anesthesia the same way."

Dude that article is completely misleading.  CRNAs are a VERY niche field in nursing.  This in no way represents other nurse specialists or advanced practice nurses.  CRNAs have ten times more responsibility than your average family practice physician and rightly so should be paid more.  A nurse practitioner which requires as much advanced education of a CRNA makes probably half of what your average CRNA makes.  CRNAs work under anesthesiologists.  It's a great fucking job but the schooling is rigours and extremely expensive let alone competitive. 
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« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2010, 06:05:52 PM »

Dude that article is completely misleading.  CRNAs are a VERY niche field in nursing.  This in no way represents other nurse specialists or advanced practice nurses.  CRNAs have ten times more responsibility than your average family practice physician and rightly so should be paid more.  A nurse practitioner which requires as much advanced education of a CRNA makes probably half of what your average CRNA makes.  CRNAs work under anesthesiologists.  It's a great fucking job but the schooling is rigours and extremely expensive let alone competitive. 

There is nothing misleading about it.  Because their work is very specialized, CRNAs are highly trained and well compensated.  The article does not say CRNAs are representative of the nursing profession.  As noted in the main article employment opportunities (and pay) vary by geographic location (and specialty).
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« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2010, 09:39:58 AM »

Bartender and drug dealer are recession proof, too.
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« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2010, 09:43:15 PM »

nuuses are cleaning up, no kidding there.

bartenders are always in demand, but in the crappy economy, bouncers are being laid off - this means bartenders have to work in a worse environment.
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« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2010, 05:01:16 PM »

nuuses are cleaning up, no kidding there.

bartenders are always in demand, but in the crappy economy, bouncers are being laid off - this means bartenders have to work in a worse environment.

To the person on the outside looking in RN's might seem to be "cleaning up".  But most of you or should I say people in general have no fucking clue how hard our job is or what we have to deal with or the level of responsibility we have.  There are a lot of fluff nursing jobs out there but if you work in acute care like I do in the hospital setting we earn every penny we make and then some.  I'm hardly cleaning up for the level of responsbility I have and the cost of living here in CA.  99.9% of getbiggers could NEVER do nursing.  Whether they think it's all about wiping ass or some other childish outlook on the profession.  Same goes for the average person.  It's unfortunate to see all these young people flocking to nursing for the job security and pay..........because at the end of the day it pretty much sucks ass. 

Nurses in many areas have the same amount of responsibility as MD's but with 1/3 of the pay and 1/4 of the training.  I.e. when your patient crashes or is starting to crash it's the RN who is there at the bedside stabilizing the patient.  The MD is usually a phone call away.  Of course this is not the case in ER. 
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« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2010, 09:53:48 AM »

I know a few nurses and quite a few of my friends are in school for nursing.
It was suggested to me as a change of career, and Iíll be the first to say I couldnít do it.
In all seriousness, there are some things I cannot do with/to people.
My hatís off to those who can & do it well - we need all the good people we can get in those positions.

MM,
What effects will the healthcare reform bill have on you guys?

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« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2010, 05:08:11 AM »

I was surprised to see Law Enforcement missing from the list. Not sure what all criteria is used, but there is about zero chance of me being laid off, and we continue to hire. I didn't carefully read the entire article, maybe it refers to private sector jobs verses govt jobs..
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« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2010, 05:15:19 AM »

I was surprised to see Law Enforcement missing from the list. Not sure what all criteria is used, but there is about zero chance of me being laid off, and we continue to hire. I didn't carefully read the entire article, maybe it refers to private sector jobs verses govt jobs..

Isn't LE funded by tax dollars? Property values down, less taxes paid, less money to pay LE. Unless I am missing something?
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« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2010, 05:42:59 AM »

Isn't LE funded by tax dollars? Property values down, less taxes paid, less money to pay LE. Unless I am missing something?

It is funded by tax dollars. But typically, public safety is the largest part of the annual budget and a number 1 priority. It is usually left intact. We had to trim several million from our budget last year, which was done without cutting jobs, benefits or lay offs. We voluntarily gave up our 3% raise last October to insure the new academy class would be funded. It saved the city 5 million there. We will be getting our 3% this October though.     
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« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2010, 09:25:15 PM »

Rns make good $... but wow, that work is tough.  I have a stepmother who does that.  12 hours shifts, often scooping up 80 year old feces.  no thanks, even for 40 an hour.



Okay, 83k a year... .Mayyyyyyyyyybe...
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« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2010, 12:34:18 PM »

What about undertakers. People never stop dieing.
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« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2010, 07:42:43 PM »

Network Marketing / Direct Sales is a virtually recession proof profession.
Infact, in time of recession, this industry surges forth exponentially with unprecedented growth.


An Explanation of Why Network Marketing is so Recession Proof
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« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2010, 04:20:20 PM »

Network Marketing / Direct Sales is a virtually recession proof profession.
Infact, in time of recession, this industry surges forth exponentially with unprecedented growth.


An Explanation of Why Network Marketing is so Recession Proof
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FUCK NETWORK MARKETING!  It's fucking bullshit.  From stupid fucking ionized fucking water to Mona Vie!!!!!!!!!!!!!  The reason they do so well is because there is a fool born every second and 10 people looking to take advantage of said fool.  Most of the fucking pyramid companies are run out of Utah by the fucking Mormons.  Why don't you go get a fucking REAL JOB! Better yet why don't you fucking make something or come up with something yourself instead of selling second hand ideas and bullshit products.  I fucking hate people like you that pimp the shit out of network marketing. 
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« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2010, 05:55:33 AM »

FUCK NETWORK MARKETING!  It's fucking bullshit.  From stupid fucking ionized fucking water to Mona Vie!!!!!!!!!!!!!  The reason they do so well is because there is a fool born every second and 10 people looking to take advantage of said fool.  Most of the fucking pyramid companies are run out of Utah by the fucking Mormons.  Why don't you go get a fucking REAL JOB! Better yet why don't you fucking make something or come up with something yourself instead of selling second hand ideas and bullshit products.  I fucking hate people like you that pimp the shit out of network marketing. 

C'mon MuscleMcMannus, ...don't hold back, don't be shy, or PC... Come out and tell me how you really feel!  Cheesy

Should I take it by your impassioned response that you have had a negative experience in the past?

I'm sorry to hear that, however, it is no different than any other industry, ...and please realize you are painting an entire industry based on an experience with a few companies or individuals within an industry.

If McDonald's sold unpalatable food, or if Jack-in-The-Box, served up a little e-Coli or salmonella with their burgers, it wouldn't mean that all restaurants were bad, or that the hospitality industry was somehow less than above board.

The reason the industry does so well has nothing to do with fools. It does so well because it provides real solutions for real people. It empowers people to both dream big, and to accomplish those dreams. It offers more options to more people than any other, and their products for the most part are heads & tails above the competition in terms of quality.

You tell me to get a real job, however, network marketing IS a real job.
The difference is, it is one where YOU are the only one that can fire you from it, or promote you on the job
...and you set your own hours, and write your own paycheck, and actually design your own life.

You want more money in a Just Over Broke? you have to beg the boss, and hope s/he doesn't fire you for asking.


Here's a video of two friends of mine Ken & Art. Ken was one of the biggest skeptics, although I didn't know it at the time. Back in 2003, he answered one of our ads. I tried to recruit him, came real close, but I lost him to Kosta, a friend of mine heading up a group of distributors from a company we had just left. He was also living in Ottawa at the time, and was much closer to Kosta who was also in Ottawa, while I was out here in Toronto.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEIbscwp-cs" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEIbscwp-cs</a>

On the one hand I was disappointed that I had lost him, but on the other hand, I was happy for him because I knew in Kosta's hands he would be well taken care of. I followed up with him a few months later, and he was sooo stoked. He had made over $110,000 within 90 days... and he's never looked back.  He has the income he wants for himself and his family, without having to risk his life to get it, and he has the ability to see his young son grow up.

When you want more money in network marketing, you simply do a little more, and allow the exponential growth to leverage you to where you want to be. I'm assuming you have never experienced the "network marketing lifestyle" so you may not be able to relate, ...but trust me when I tell you, it is a lifestyle beyond your wildest dreams. One that get's into your blood, takes hold of you and never lets you go.

Contrary to popular belief, ...you don't get into network marketing.
Quite the opposite. It is Network Marketing that gets into you,

Here is Art again with another friend of mine from Norway. Orjan just bought himself a nice yacht which is moored in the south of France. It took him a few years, but he set his goal, ...and he achieved it. You can't do that with a JOB.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqovg4iefQc" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqovg4iefQc</a>
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