Plummer Joe lol.... tomorrow we will hear the recording of their conversation. I think this will fall flat, Obama made good points, giving tax cuts to the guys who are starting out, not the ones who are crossing over into the bigtime or are in the bigtime... If a plummer jumped his income up that high, he'll do fine, this is bullshit. Plummer Joe is a smart guy, higher taxes for what is a very small portion of these guys crossing over to big business isn't a credible argument by McCain.