This rubbish is still going on
Look Sev before you go start another thread claiming someone isnt natural just because they have better genes than you ...dont..
Meso has great genetics that why he looks like he does , not cos of gear cos he is well a mesomorph plain and simple..
I dont give to shits wat gh15 whispers in your ear whilst he is nailing you from behind because he is wrong..
He puts everyone into these catagories as though they are a clone..
Has he met every single person in the world that lifts? no , so how can he or you say what can be acheived before touching gear..you cant..
I hop between NZ and Australia..I see lots of maoris and islanders in my job,these guys have the mad genetics much like meso..
Some of these guys dont even lift weights and they look better than what you do , and you have dieted hard used gear etc etc..
The ones that do lift train in a way that leaves you scratching your head thinking how the fuk do they grow training like that ?
Diet is another area that alot dont even pay attention to, they may eat one meal a day or live off junk food but it still doesnt effect the way they look..
And steroids , give me a break , alot of these guys think protein powders are drugs so if you think they are geared up to the eyeballs then think again.