ON - New Creatine Product (VassiveC5)

[Cindy]

For everyone that was using the Vassive-CE product, ON has replaced it with Vassive C5 . C5 was developed to ensure ON is providing the latest in Creatine supplementation.

Product features are below:
Serving Size 1 Scoop
25 Calories
6 g Total Carbs
0 g Sugar
Proprietary 5 g C5 Strength & Endurance Blend
Patent Pending Cre-Energy™ Buffered Creatine
Creatine Alpha Ketoglutarate
Beta Alanine
Creatine Citrate
Creatine Ethyl Ester
2.5 g of L-Glutamine
1.7 g Proprietary Cell Shuttle Blend
1 g Proprietary Phos-4 Blend

This product is recommended to be taken after your workout and is typically stacked with Vassive NO (Nitric Oxide), which is taken pre-workout.

[MCWAY]

For everyone that was using the Vassive-CE product, ON has replaced it with Vassive C5 . C5 was developed to ensure ON is providing the latest in Creatine supplementation.

Product features are below:
Serving Size 1 Scoop
25 Calories
6 g Total Carbs
0 g Sugar
Proprietary 5 g C5 Strength & Endurance Blend
Patent Pending Cre-Energy™ Buffered Creatine
Creatine Alpha Ketoglutarate
Beta Alanine
Creatine Citrate
Creatine Ethyl Ester
2.5 g of L-Glutamine
1.7 g Proprietary Cell Shuttle Blend
1 g Proprietary Phos-4 Blend

This product is recommended to be taken after your workout and is typically stacked with Vassive NO (Nitric Oxide), which is taken pre-workout.

I've used Vassive-CE and Vassive-NO (I got a combo of the two for $12.50 at GNC about a month or two ago). The CE came in Blue Raspberry and is quite delicious.

Hopefully, the Vassive C5 means that the prices on Vassive CE (or even that of the CE/NO pack) DROPS!!! Either way, it's great, as you really can't go wrong with either product.

[Permabulker]

In my experience ALL these Superfied creatines (CEE, etc) are bull shi@.  Just use monohydrate or micronized mono and it will work the best.  Most of these crazy NO, creatine mix drinks are lower in the doses of actual product and high in caffeine and other filler crap.  You might get a good pump the first day or two but over all its just psychological or a placebo affect if you will...

[MCWAY]

In my experience ALL these Superfied creatines (CEE, etc) are bull shi@.  Just use monohydrate or micronized mono and it will work the best.  Most of these crazy NO, creatine mix drinks are lower in the doses of actual product and high in caffeine and other filler crap.  You might get a good pump the first day or two but over all its just psychological or a placebo affect if you will...

My experience is that they work well (and are quite easier on the stomach), but they aren’t necessarily worth the big price tag. That’s why I wait until they get marked down, before I try them.

Again, I got a 15-serving box of Vassive-CE sold in a combo pack with a 15-serving box of Vassive-NO for $12.50. It lasted me a month, worked well and tasted good (at, least the Vassive-CE did; the Vassive-NO ain't nearly as pallet-friendly and has a bitter aftertaste).

[elite_lifter]

In my experience ALL these Superfied creatines (CEE, etc) are bull shi@.  Just use monohydrate or micronized mono and it will work the best.  Most of these crazy NO, creatine mix drinks are lower in the doses of actual product and high in caffeine and other filler crap.  You might get a good pump the first day or two but over all its just psychological or a placebo affect if you will...

agreed, creapure creatine is all you need.

[Necrosis]

looks ok, dont know why the glutamine is in there, perhaps they are behind on research, leucine would of been better. CEE is better then monohydrate in most aspects

[Princess L]

CEE is better then monohydrate in most aspects

Necrosis,

Can you elaborate?  The following is just a sample of what I've read over the past few years - ie; straight CM = proven science / results

Creatine ethyl ester rapidly degrades to creatinine in stomach acid

Child R and Tallon MJ

Department of Life Sciences, Kingston University, Penrhyn Rd, Kingston-upon-Thames, United Kingdom. University of Northumbria, Sport Sciences, Northumbria University, Northumberland Building, Newcastle upon Tyne, United Kingdom, DrChild@CR-Technologies.net

Creatine ethyl ester (CEE) is a commercially available synthetic creatine that is now widely used in dietary supplements. It comprises of creatine with an ethyl group attached and this molecular configuration is reported to provide several advantages over creatine monohydrate (CM). The Medical Research Institute (CA, USA) claim that the CEE in their product (CE2) provides greater solubility in lipids, leading to improved absorption. Similarly San (San Corporation, CA, USA) claim that the CEE in their product (San CM2 Alpha) avoids the breakdown of creatine to creatinine in stomach acids. Ultimately it is claimed that CEE products provide greater absorption and efficacy than CM. To date, none of these claims have been evaluated by an independent, or university laboratory and no comparative data are available on CEE and CM.

This study assessed the availability of creatine from three commercial creatine products during degradation in acidic conditions similar to those that occur in the stomach. They comprised of two products containing CEE (San CM2 Alpha and CE2) and commercially available CM (Creapure™). An independent laboratory, using testing guidelines recommended by the United States Pharmacopeia (USP), performed the analysis. Each product was incubated in 900ml of pH 1 HCL at 37º +/- 1ºC and samples where drawn at 5, 30 and 120 minutes and immediately analyzed by HPLC (UV).

After 30 minutes incubation only 73% of the initial CEE present was available from CE2, while the amount of CEE available from San CM2 Alpha was even lower at only 62%. In contrast, more than 99% of the creatine remained available from the CM product. These reductions in CEE availability were accompanied by substantial creatinine formation, without the appearance of free creatine. After 120 minutes incubation 72% of the CEE was available from CE2 with only 11% available from San CM2 Alpha, while more than 99% of the creatine remained available from CM.

CEE is claimed to provide several advantages over CM because of increased solubility and stability. In practice, the addition of the ethyl group to creatine actually reduces acid stability and accelerates its breakdown to creatinine. This substantially reduces creatine availability in its esterified form and as a consequence creatines such as San CM2 and CE2 are inferior to CM as a source of free creatine.