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question for democrats..
« on: October 20, 2008, 11:01:17 AM »
how is this not a beginning to socialism?


explain ur answer

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Re: question for democrats..
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2008, 11:08:38 AM »
I think you should explain how it IS the beginning of socialism in America.


Because i think BUSH already has did that.

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Re: question for democrats..
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Re: question for democrats..
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2008, 11:25:58 AM »
how is this not a beginning to socialism?


explain ur answer

LOL.

Hate to break the news to you, however, we are already becoming socialist Country. You can thank the Bush administration for that.

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Re: question for democrats..
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2008, 11:34:06 AM »
how is this not a beginning to socialism?


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Obama "looks" Dominican.

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Re: question for democrats..
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2008, 11:34:49 AM »
Regardless of who's fault it is, we need to make sure we don't become too far socialist.  

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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2008, 11:45:13 AM »
I love "conservatives". (Not really, but go with it.)

During the last 8 years, corporate subsidies and tax breaks were at an all time high.  But a few hits of Kool-aid from Limbaugh, Hannity and Joe the Plumber and all of a sudden it's rebranded as socialism. The only difference being that under Obama it will benefit a larger portion of the country.







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« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2008, 06:58:34 PM »
Regardless of who's fault it is, we need to make sure we don't become too far socialist.  

...yeah, you wouldn't want to end up like the TWELVE chronically socialist countries that have overtaken America on the UN Human Development Index over the past 50 years.

This is how really far-left socialist/liberal policies have damaged my country, Ireland...
-insignificant homicide rate
-very low crime rate
-social inclusion
-free quality schooling
-free quality healthcare (rated better than America's)
-prosperity
-generous unemployment/disability benefits (unemployment/welfare payments of $300+ a week tax-free)
-very low wealth disparity between rich and poor
-free university education (our university system is rated better than America's)
-free post graduate education up to masters level
-free PhD education (often including $400 a week subsidies; my brother is doing one of these)
-one of the highest home ownership rates in the world
-one of the lowest homelessness rates in the world
-approx $13 an hour minimum wage (and minimum wage workers pay no taxes)
-$120 a month maximum limit on medication costs (no matter the treatment)
-relatively low unemployment (lower than the America's true jobless figure)
-governmental transparency with very little corruption

...yes, we do pay a little more in taxes... but we get much better value for money through the tax system than Americans get buying such services on the much vaunted "free market".


There has been an economic effect of such radical socialism though... for the past 15 years Ireland has had to deal with a continuously booming economy, regularly ranked as one of the strongest economies in the world. However, it did take us nearly four full days for the government to sort out the fall out from Irish banks involvement in the sub-prime mess (a full, unlimited government guarantee for all personal accounts held by Irish banks and a $400 billion bank-insurance scheme to allow banks recover).

You Americans are right to fear socialism... it sucks.



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Re: question for democrats..
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2008, 07:06:22 PM »
Ur comparing us to a country like Ireland, which until recently, suffered massive economic problems. And before u pop off, my mom is from Dublin and I've been back and forth to Ireland many time. Yes Ireland is doing very well now...but ur population is 4,109,086 or so. Give me a break. We have cities bigger then that. U can do alot with small populations....and u guys don't have to defend the West from the rampant stupidity of the rest of the world. Sorry but while I love Ireland....u really can't compare the two.
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Re: question for democrats..
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2008, 08:34:00 PM »
how is this not a beginning to socialism?


explain ur answer
because it's a t-shirt ::)  t-shirts have never been known to force populations into doing anything.  They're usually cotton and there is not any magical or intelligent properties in either the cotton or the ink.  lolol.

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Re: question for democrats..
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2008, 09:05:46 PM »
I think we need a balance of socialism and capitalism.. Some social programs are needed... TO help people like Coach Palin with his mental retardation...

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« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2008, 05:30:23 AM »
Ur comparing us to a country like Ireland, which until recently, suffered massive economic problems. And before u pop off, my mom is from Dublin and I've been back and forth to Ireland many time. Yes Ireland is doing very well now...but ur population is 4,109,086 or so. Give me a break. We have cities bigger then that. U can do alot with small populations....and u guys don't have to defend the West from the rampant stupidity of the rest of the world. Sorry but while I love Ireland....u really can't compare the two.

If a shit-hole like Ireland can do all that through socialism, why can't America measure up with such a huge GDP? America has natural resources... a huge labour force... modern infrastructure... every advantage imaginable.

Even during the eighties, when Ireland was impoverished and suffered 30% unemployment for years on end we still had a better healthcare and education system than the US. We had less wealth disparity... less homicides... less crime... less homelessness...
 

How can France have the world's best healthcare system when they spend only a fraction of what Americans spend per capita? America has only the 37th best healthcare system in the world.

Why are the French so much better off than Americans with so much less?

Why are the most socialist countries overtaking America in every measurable way?


Time to take off the giant foam finger people... Fuck-You-Capitalism didn't work. Get over it.

"USA #12!" doesn't have the same ring to it, true... but it's more accurate.



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Re: question for democrats..
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2008, 05:43:39 AM »
I love "conservatives". (Not really, but go with it.)

During the last 8 years, corporate subsidies and tax breaks were at an all time high.  But a few hits of Kool-aid from Limbaugh, Hannity and Joe the Plumber and all of a sudden it's rebranded as socialism. The only difference being that under Obama it will benefit a larger portion of the country.








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« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2008, 09:54:48 AM »
how is this not a beginning to socialism?


explain ur answer
Why are you afraid of Socialism?  It's working for the Wall Street Bankers.

Did you refuse your tax rebate payoff from the Bush Administration? 

That governmental expenditure is Socialism under the popular definition.  I mean a government expenditure is a government exenditure...socialism.

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Re: question for democrats..
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2008, 10:44:41 AM »
bahaha how desperate are these douches becoming, first they tried calling him a terrorist, now hes a commie, lol whats next they are going to try calling him a homosexual hahahah

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Re: question for democrats..
« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2008, 11:05:50 AM »
Why are you afraid of Socialism?  It's working for the Wall Street Bankers.

Did you refuse your tax rebate payoff from the Bush Administration? 

That governmental expenditure is Socialism under the popular definition.  I mean a government expenditure is a government exenditure...socialism.

The government returning the taxpayers' money is socialism?  That's a new one. 

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« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2008, 11:11:42 AM »
...yeah, you wouldn't want to end up like the TWELVE chronically socialist countries that have overtaken America on the UN Human Development Index over the past 50 years.

This is how really far-left socialist/liberal policies have damaged my country, Ireland...
-insignificant homicide rate
-very low crime rate
-social inclusion
-free quality schooling
-free quality healthcare (rated better than America's)
-prosperity
-generous unemployment/disability benefits (unemployment/welfare payments of $300+ a week tax-free)
-very low wealth disparity between rich and poor
-free university education (our university system is rated better than America's)
-free post graduate education up to masters level
-free PhD education (often including $400 a week subsidies; my brother is doing one of these)
-one of the highest home ownership rates in the world
-one of the lowest homelessness rates in the world
-approx $13 an hour minimum wage (and minimum wage workers pay no taxes)
-$120 a month maximum limit on medication costs (no matter the treatment)
-relatively low unemployment (lower than the America's true jobless figure)
-governmental transparency with very little corruption

...yes, we do pay a little more in taxes... but we get much better value for money through the tax system than Americans get buying such services on the much vaunted "free market".


There has been an economic effect of such radical socialism though... for the past 15 years Ireland has had to deal with a continuously booming economy, regularly ranked as one of the strongest economies in the world. However, it did take us nearly four full days for the government to sort out the fall out from Irish banks involvement in the sub-prime mess (a full, unlimited government guarantee for all personal accounts held by Irish banks and a $400 billion bank-insurance scheme to allow banks recover).

You Americans are right to fear socialism... it sucks.



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Re: question for democrats..
« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2008, 11:15:25 AM »
The government returning the taxpayers' money is socialism?  That's a new one. 

That's funny. Because just yesterday in the link below, you claimed that what you're describing is welfare.  ::)

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=241864.msg3398966#msg3398966

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« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2008, 11:19:27 AM »

That's funny. Because just yesterday in the link below, you claimed that what you're describing is welfare.  ::)

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=241864.msg3398966#msg3398966

lol . . . You are clueless.  People who have zero tax liability shouldn't get a tax cut.  People who had zero tax liability should not have gotten a "refund."  I don't expect you to understand this. 

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« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2008, 11:23:11 AM »
Good post.

No it was a very good post.

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« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2008, 11:28:26 AM »
The government returning the taxpayers' money is socialism?  That's a new one. 
It's a governmental allocation of governmental resources.

What do you call such redistribution?

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« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2008, 11:31:53 AM »
On April 15th of every year people are required to file something called tax returns. Some people are required to send a check to the IRS.

Others actually receive a check from the IRS.

That check is called a refund.

The refund is not a welfare check. It is a portion of the money that the individual paid to the government throughout the year from their weekly paycheck.

I don't know how to make it any simpler, but I'm sure you will force me to find a way.


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« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2008, 11:47:27 AM »
The government returning the taxpayers' money is socialism?  That's a new one. 
I forgot to mention that Bush's tax payoff went to people paying zero in income taxes.  The payment was not predicated on overpayment of taxes, i.e., a refund.

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« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2008, 11:49:17 AM »
It's a governmental allocation of governmental resources.

What do you call such redistribution?

It's not a redistribution if the government is returning tax dollars it collected from the taxpayers.  It's actually repayment of an interest free loan. 

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« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2008, 11:52:45 AM »
I forgot to mention that Bush's tax payoff went to people paying zero in income taxes.  The payment was not predicated on overpayment of taxes, i.e., a refund.

People who paid zero in income taxes should not have gotten a payment.