Author Topic: AMERICA THE WEAK (Read 1526 times)

headhuntersix · « **on:** October 20, 2008, 06:38:00 PM »

I'm sure u expert military and foreign policy experts will flame this but instead, offer constructive counterpoints.

IF Sen. Barack Obama is elected president, our re public will survive, but our international strategy and some of our allies may not. His first year in office would conjure globe-spanning challenges as our enemies piled on to exploit his weakness.

Add in Sen. Joe Biden - with his track record of calling every major foreign-policy crisis wrong for 35 years - as vice president and de facto secretary of State, and we'd face a formula for strategic disaster.

Where would the avalanche of confrontations come from?

* Al Qaeda. Pandering to his extreme base, Obama has projected an image of being soft on terror. Toss in his promise to abandon Iraq, and you can be sure that al Qaeda will pull out all the stops to kill as many Americans as possible - in Iraq, Afghanistan and, if they can, here at home - hoping that America will throw away the victories our troops bought with their blood.

* Pakistan. As this nuclear-armed country of 170 million anti-American Muslims grows more fragile by the day, the save-the-Taliban elements in the Pakistani intelligence services and body politic will avoid taking serious action against "their" terrorists (while theatrically annoying Taliban elements they can't control). The Pakistanis think Obama would lose Afghanistan - and they believe they can reap the subsequent whirlwind.

* Iran. Got nukes? If the Iranians are as far along with their nuclear program as some reports insist, expect a mushroom cloud above an Iranian test range next year. Even without nukes, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would try the new administration's temper in Iraq, Afghanistan and the Persian Gulf.

* Israel. In the Middle East, Obama's election would be read as the end of staunch US support for Israel. Backed by Syria and Iran, Hezbollah would provoke another, far-bloodier war with Israel. Lebanon would disintegrate.

* Saudi Arabia. Post-9/11 attention to poisonous Saudi proselytizing forced the kingdom to be more discreet in fomenting terrorism and religious hatred abroad. Convinced that Obama will be more "tolerant" toward militant Islam, the Saudis would redouble their funding of bigotry and butchery-for-Allah - in the US, too.

headhuntersix · « **Reply #1 on:** October 20, 2008, 06:39:41 PM »

* Russia. Got Ukraine? Not for long, slabiye Amerikantsi. Russia's new czar, Vladimir Putin, intends to gobble Ukraine next year, assured that NATO will be divided and the US can be derided. Aided by the treasonous Kiev politico Yulia Timoshenko - a patriot when it suited her ambition, but now a Russian collaborator - the Kremlin is set to reclaim the most important state it still regards as its property. Overall, 2009 may see the starkest repression of freedom since Stalin seized Eastern Europe.

* Georgia. Our Georgian allies should dust off their Russian dictionaries.

* Venezuela. Hugo Chavez will intensify the rape of his country's hemorrhaging democracy and, despite any drop in oil revenue, he'll do all he can to export his megalomaniacal version of gun-barrel socialism. He'll seek a hug-for-the-cameras meet with President Obama as early as possible.

* Bolivia. Chavez client President Evo Morales could order his military to seize control of his country's dissident eastern provinces, whose citizens resist his repression, extortion and semi-literate Leninism. President Obama would do nothing as yet another democracy toppled and bled.

* North Korea. North Korea will expect a much more generous deal from the West for annulling its pursuit of nuclear weapons. And it will regard an Obama administration as a green light to cheat.

* NATO. The brave young democracies of Central and Eastern Europe will be gravely discouraged, while the appeasers in Western Europe will again have the upper hand. Putin will be allowed to do what he wants.

* The Kurds. An Obama administration will abandon our only true allies between Tel Aviv and Tokyo.

* Democracy activists. Around the world, regressive regimes will intensify their suppression - and outright murder - of dissidents who risk their lives for freedom and justice. An Obama administration will say all the right things, but do nothing.

* Women's rights. If you can't vote in US elections, sister, you're screwed. Being stoned to death or buried alive is just a cultural thing.

* Journalists. American journalists who've done everything they can to elect Barack Obama can watch as regimes around the world imprison, torture and murder their foreign colleagues, confident that the US has entered an era of impotence. The crocodile tears in newsrooms will provide drought relief to the entire southeastern US.

Sen. John McCain's campaign has allowed a great man to be maligned as a mere successor to George W. Bush. The truth is that an Obama administration would be a second Carter presidency - only far worse.

Think Bush weakened America? Just wait.

MB_722 · « **Reply #2 on:** October 20, 2008, 06:43:30 PM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on October 20, 2008, 06:39:41 PM

* Russia. Got Ukraine? Not for long, slabiye Amerikantsi. Russia's new czar, Vladimir Putin, intends to gobble Ukraine next year, assured that NATO will be divided and the US can be derided. Aided by the treasonous Kiev politico Yulia Timoshenko - a patriot when it suited her ambition, but now a Russian collaborator - the Kremlin is set to reclaim the most important state it still regards as its property. Overall, 2009 may see the starkest repression of freedom since Stalin seized Eastern Europe.

Won't happen

headhuntersix · « **Reply #3 on:** October 20, 2008, 06:49:58 PM »

OK...why not. We are viewing the actions in Georgia as a prelude to operations against Ukraine...thats the US Military view. We've gotten tons of info on what they did, on all levels, when they invaded Georgia, including the massive cyber attack. I can't go into everything but would be happy to debate this.

headhuntersix · « **Reply #4 on:** October 20, 2008, 06:51:28 PM »

Now I'm not saying it will but.....LTC Peters is covering a once over the world of the trouble spots...if he's right on 2 we've got major problems.

LurkerNoMore · « **Reply #5 on:** October 20, 2008, 07:09:10 PM »

The only thing I see weak is your basic education skills.

headhuntersix · « **Reply #6 on:** October 20, 2008, 07:11:14 PM »

See...here we have a moron who brings nothing to the debate. Why don't u go play in some traffic and let the rest of us debate, which appears to be the point of the board. If u want to do this shit, take it to another board. Hope this helps dipshit.

MB_722 · « **Reply #7 on:** October 20, 2008, 07:26:25 PM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on October 20, 2008, 06:49:58 PM

OK...why not. We are viewing the actions in Georgia as a prelude to operations against Ukraine...thats the US Military view. We've gotten tons of info on what they did, on all levels, when they invaded Georgia, including the massive cyber attack. I can't go into everything but would be happy to debate this.

All three parties in Ukraine want go West, each party's oligarchs want to go west.

Its not going to happen, Russia has to much to lose if they were to invade.

If Germany wasn't so dependent on Russian gas none of this would be an issue.

MB_722 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 20, 2008, 07:29:42 PM »

with tymoshenko she's just a populist and much of her base is in the West of Ukraine.

As messed up as Ukraine's political system, its alot like how poland was back in the 80's sooner or later things will get sorted out.

Its much better than Russia.

headhuntersix · « **Reply #9 on:** October 20, 2008, 07:32:46 PM »

I disagree...but my arguments are based on crap I can't post here. The Russians have definite ambitions on Ukraine. They want them back in their sphere. I will say that despite what they were able to do to Georgia, they preformed poorly. I think the down turn in petro dollars will also stifle what they're trying to do. They have increased military spending while attempting to cut man power. They did look at how they preformed in Georgia and have begun cutting general officers and moving abler men up. Their services have basically stayed the same since the end of the Cold War. Many officers are the same, just having been on half pay or other programs. We're not impressed.

I'm not arguing that they aren't pro western...we train with them.

MB_722 · « **Reply #10 on:** October 20, 2008, 07:49:52 PM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on October 20, 2008, 07:32:46 PM

The Russians have definite ambitions on Ukraine. They want them back in their sphere.

yea I don't disagree.

to go to war I can't be sure. It would be a bloodbath. Its in Russia interest to keep Europe relatively happy so they continue buying their gas.

MB_722 · « **Reply #11 on:** October 20, 2008, 07:51:32 PM »

and vice versa to keep Ukraine out of NATO

headhuntersix · « **Reply #12 on:** October 20, 2008, 07:52:34 PM »

I agree...but they will play their games....trying to destabilize etc.....and Poland wants nothing more then to kick the shit out of them. Their military has come along way.

They do want that....but once in Russia won't make a move....

headhuntersix · « **Reply #13 on:** October 20, 2008, 07:56:14 PM »

And I apoligize for making the argument that I know something u don't but we sat through a very interesting brief about the initial thoughts on what Georgia ment and how the Russians performed. The only part that people sat up and took notice was the cyber warfare stuff that would have beeen worse had Georgia been more advanced. The rest, while classified, was kinda funny. Plenty of good video of them trying hard to do things that takes us minutes to do. They looked like Gypsies with AK's.

MB_722 · « **Reply #14 on:** October 20, 2008, 07:58:56 PM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on October 20, 2008, 07:56:14 PM

And I apoligize for making the argument that I know something u don't

... The rest, while classified, was kinda funny. Plenty of good video of them trying hard to do things that takes us minutes to do. They looked like Gypsies with AK's.

no problem it doesn't bother me.

lol

headhuntersix · « **Reply #15 on:** October 20, 2008, 08:00:39 PM »

Thanks for the reasonable debate.....its becoming very rare here.

MB_722 · « **Reply #16 on:** October 20, 2008, 08:06:41 PM »

to much party politics for the last two years

didn't kim jong il die?

headhuntersix · « **Reply #17 on:** October 20, 2008, 08:09:32 PM »

Allegedly they're coming out with some sorta statement this week. I'm headed to Korea before Christmas, I'm sure just in time for those rice propelled bastards to give it one final try.

CQ · « **Reply #18 on:** October 21, 2008, 02:15:01 AM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on October 20, 2008, 08:00:39 PM

Thanks for the reasonable debate.....its becoming very rare here.

Yes it is, so nice to see you and others being reasonable.

MuscleMcMannus · « **Reply #19 on:** October 21, 2008, 02:37:39 AM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on October 20, 2008, 06:49:58 PM

OK...why not. We are viewing the actions in Georgia as a prelude to operations against Ukraine...thats the US Military view. We've gotten tons of info on what they did, on all levels, when they invaded Georgia, including the massive cyber attack. I can't go into everything but would be happy to debate this.

HAHA LMAO Like you've got some top secret intelligence clearance. Didn't the Army tell you to clean up a shit pile of weapons up on a mountain top one time? Dude you're pathetic!

LurkerNoMore · « **Reply #20 on:** October 21, 2008, 03:59:45 AM »

Quote from: MuscleMcMannus on October 21, 2008, 02:37:39 AM

HAHA LMAO Like you've got some top secret intelligence clearance. Didn't the Army tell you to clean up a shit pile of weapons up on a mountain top one time? Dude you're pathetic!

Exactly.

People with SIC access aren't at the bottom of the rung doing Good Housekeeping duties. Just bullshit moment from a delusional idiot.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #21 on:** October 21, 2008, 04:28:52 AM »

see this!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Neocon meltdown!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ohhh booo hoooo... The neocons telling us that if Obama gets elected, they will no longer be able to continue their psycho plans...

See Loco, I told you so

Thanks HH6, you back up what I've been saying. Only you should change the bullshit title, we'll be stronger, more respected and will get more done.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #22 on:** October 21, 2008, 04:38:58 AM »

Oh and check this out!!!! There is a reason HH6 likes to never source his posted material!!!!!!!!

This story is written BY A MEMBER OF PNAC... HE IS A NEOCON... SURPISE SURPISE SURPISE

RALPH PETERS
http://www.newamericancentury.org/defense-20050128.htm

George Whorewell · « **Reply #23 on:** October 21, 2008, 06:17:37 AM »

It was an article posted in the Oped of the New York Post. A widely read news paper in the most important city on the planet. And yes Hugo, we know you always post non radical left wing articles. You are a model of objectivity.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #24 on:** October 21, 2008, 08:22:18 AM »

Quote from: George Whorewell on October 21, 2008, 06:17:37 AM

It was an article posted in the Oped of the New York Post. A widely read news paper in the most important city on the planet. And yes Hugo, we know you always post non radical left wing articles. You are a model of objectivity.

What I said is exactly true... I post from several sources but I source my material so you know what you're reading and can weigh it accordingly... You should get that!!!!! that this is coming from a neoconservative is very important information to have.... period, end of story...

and Loco and all the others who tell me Obama and McCain are the same, this is further proof I'm picking Obama over TEAM NEOCON...