The Audacity Of Hope

[The Coach]

One of my clients who goes to Long Beach St. has to read this as part of an assignment. When she asked if there was going to be another assignment from a conservative author, her teacher said no.

[headhuntersix]

I would have refused to read it and then bitched to the Admin. If that was Flags of my Farthers...an actual Bio written about somebody whos' actually done something, then the lib douchbags would have been up in arms.

[The Luke]

One of my clients who goes to Long Beach St. has to read this as part of an assignment. When she asked if there was going to be another assignment from a conservative author, her teacher said no.

Mein Kampf?


The Luke

[big L dawg]

I would have refused to read it and then bitched to the Admin. If that was Flags of my Farthers...an actual Bio written about somebody whos' actually done something, then the lib douchbags would have been up in arms.

yea I always refuse to read anything I dont agree with   

[w8tlftr]

Mein Kampf?


The Luke

LOL

Hitler was a socialist - not a conservative.

Funny though.

[lovemonkey]

I would have refused to read it and then bitched to the Admin. If that was Flags of my Farthers...an actual Bio written about somebody whos' actually done something, then the lib douchbags would have been up in arms.

The aggressive arrogance of yours is really annoying.

[OzmO]

I would have refused to read it and then bitched to the Admin. If that was Flags of my Farthers...an actual Bio written about somebody whos' actually done something, then the lib douchbags would have been up in arms.

HAHAHHAHAHAHA


that's so stupid. 

Who cares what they are instructed to read?   I'm sure there is some report due.  So all she has to do his vent her little Comrade BUSH loving conservative heart out. 

[The Coach]

I have no problem having a teacher asking a class to read about Obama, but for Gods sake the least they can do is give them a follow up assignment from the other side. McCain's life is sure as hell more interesitng than Obama's.

[OzmO]

I have no problem having a teacher asking a class to read about Obama, but for Gods sake the least they can do is give them a follow up assignment from the other side. McCain's life is sure as hell more interesitng than Obama's.

Actually it's a better assignment for a conservative student because they can pick it apart by presenting good arguments.  It will be interesting and motivating for them.   For libs it's preaching to the choir and vice versa.

[The Coach]

Actually it's a better assignment for a conservative student because they can pick it apart by presenting good arguments.  It will be interesting and motivating for them.   For libs it's preaching to the choir and vice versa.

Unfortunately, if a conservative student tried to present an argument, he/she would surely be marked down.

[OzmO]

Unfortunately, if a conservative student tried to present an argument, he/she would surely be marked down.

You are making a bias assumption.   Typically a teacher would appreciate a good argument and realizes that everyone has their own personal views.  all the teacher will look for is a good argument with supporting facts.   EVERY experience i've hand, first and second hand has gone that way, in high school & college.

That teacher wouldn't be teaching there that long if that were the case.  I'm sure there are some out there , conservative and lib, who are stupid enough to grade a person based on their views.  But a teacher like that won't last long.

This teacher is IMO, doing a good job because he/she is getting their students to read a controversial book of the times.

Flags of our Fathers, a book i haven't read, but a movie i own on DVD and like very much, is probably a good read but certainly isn't a teaching platform would not stimulate a students mind like reading something as politically charge as the audacity of hope.

As long as she makes good arguments and backs them up with facts she'll get a good grade.   (should be too hard right?)   Just suggest to her not to use stereotypes, bias and or emotional arguments. 

If she writes a good paper and doesn't get a good grade, send me a copy and have the teacher call me.    I'll staighten that hypciritical lib out.   

[headhuntersix]

Which is way I said  would not read it...first off Obama has done nothing to warrant a book being taught. Christ there are billions of better people to teach about...second there is no balance and negative views of Obama would have been stifled, which happens to conservatives all over America.

[OzmO]

Which is way I said  would not read it...first off Obama has done nothing to warrant a book being taught. Christ there are billions of better people to teach about...second there is no balance and negative views of Obama would have been stifled, which happens to conservatives all over America.

That's your perception and belief and part of what makes it controversial.   It gets people talking, debating, arguing etc.  A by product of people passionately debating something is learning.  The book isn't being taught, it is being discussed. 

Further more, you not willing to read it insinuates how closed off you are and in a state of mental stagnancy.  I'm not saying you need to go a buy a bunch of Noam.   What I'm saying is, is that if you truly think Obama has no business as the president and you were in that class you should WANT to read it for several reasons at the very least:

1.  Why is Obama looking like he'll be the president? 
2.  What is it that is appealing to so many people?
3.  What are the things in the book that aren't true or off base?


And if i was a stuanch conservative I'd take it as a golden opporunity to debate in class against libs and maybe the teacher.

I'd relish the opportunity to use that book and turn everything around on them.  and at the same time I'll LEARN a bunch about Obama and this potential president.

Honestly, HH6, sometimes you seem like you are approach politics with a playground mentality.


Another thing, there are plenty of negative views about Obama all over the place right now.  Granted some of it is fit for the consumption of stupid morons like the ones who believe Obama is a muslim.

And again if you were in the class you'd have a golden opportunity to inform everyone in it.  But you can't see past your bias and the swing set.



 

[OzmO]

Which is way I said  would not read it...first off Obama has done nothing to warrant a book being taught. Christ there are billions of better people to teach about...second there is no balance and negative views of Obama would have been stifled, which happens to conservatives all over America.

Another thing,

Obama has done nothing to warrent the book being (read)?

So leading in the UNITED STATES (most powerful country in the world) presidential race by an average of 5-6% less than 20 days before the election doesn't warrant examination in a class?  OMFG. 
   (nothing personal)

[The Coach]

You are making a bias assumption.   Typically a teacher would appreciate a good argument and realizes that everyone has their own personal views.  all the teacher will look for is a good argument with supporting facts.   EVERY experience i've hand, first and second hand has gone that way, in high school & college.

That teacher wouldn't be teaching there that long if that were the case.  I'm sure there are some out there , conservative and lib, who are stupid enough to grade a person based on their views.  But a teacher like that won't last long.

This teacher is IMO, doing a good job because he/she is getting their students to read a controversial book of the times.

Flags of our Fathers, a book i haven't read, but a movie i own on DVD and like very much, is probably a good read but certainly isn't a teaching platform would not stimulate a students mind like reading something as politically charge as the audacity of hope.

As long as she makes good arguments and backs them up with facts she'll get a good grade.   (should be too hard right?)   Just suggest to her not to use stereotypes, bias and or emotional arguments. 

If she writes a good paper and doesn't get a good grade, send me a copy and have the teacher call me.    I'll staighten that hypciritical lib out.   

Thats not true Oz. I have two clients that go to LB St. including my wife and one that went to Cal St. Fullerton. The client that went to Cal St. Fullerton got into I guess a semi debate with her professor who wanted the class to write about a Liberal leader, she spoke up and said basically the same thing I was thinking, even thought she wrote the paper, she got marked down for speaking up.

A couple of weeks ago my wife could have done some extra credit for her class. She was asked to go to something called "University by the Sea" in Long Beach sponsored by LB St. Now, Ozmo, it looks like there are some fun workshops (mostly liberal oriented) but this is what got me. If you click on the link and scroll down to "Session 3" you'll see something that would (or should) blow anyone away............"How to be a Drag Queen" as soon as I saw that, well......


http://www.universitybythesea.com/

[Decker]

I have no problem having a teacher asking a class to read about Obama, but for Gods sake the least they can do is give them a follow up assignment from the other side. McCain's life is sure as hell more interesitng than Obama's.

What's the other side of Obama's lifestory?

[Decker]

LOL

Hitler was a socialist - not a conservative.

Funny though.

Hitler was a socialist like Bush was a Uniter.

"Hitler had a deep hatred of the Social Democratic party, which he believed "fostered class conflicts at the expense of national unity" (Bullock 42). In Mein Kampf, he outlines his distaste of the Social Democratic movement, being turned off by their hostility towards the maintenance of Germanism in Austria (31) and their opposition to social demands by the working class (35-36). The Social Democratic Party remained antagonistic and disparaging to Hitler; he believed that "...the working men were the victims of a deliberate system for corrupting and poisoning the popular mind, organized by the Social Democratic Party's leaders, who cynically exploited the distress of the masses" for their political gains (Bullock 38). Hitler was also critical of the Social Democrats for their dependence on internationalization and foreign trade. With this in mind, it is no wonder that Hitler believed that Jews were the leaders of Social Democracy and therefore to be hated (Hitler, Mein Kampf 43)."

Where were all the unions Hitler set up in his socialist Germany?

He was a dictatorial fascist.

"Hitler was not a socialist in the strict sense of the word; this can be shown by his definition of 'socialist', which differs from the norm:

Whoever is prepared to make the national cause his own to such an extent that he knows no higher ideal than the welfare of his nation; whoever has understood our great national anthem, Deutschland, Deutschland, über Alles, to mean that nothing in the wide world surpasses in his eyes this Germany, people and land, land and people — that man is a Socialist. (Bullock 76)

Hitler's meaning of socialism, therefore did not refer to a specific economic system, but to "an instinct for national self-preservation" (Fischer 125) or nationalism. Concerning the Socialist aspects of the 25-Point program, Hitler made promises "because in 1920, the German working class and the lower middle classes were saturated in a radical anti-capitalism; such phrases were essential for any politician who wanted to attract their support" (Bullock 75).

Hitler had an overall disregard for the masses and refused to accept trade unions or the working classes. Once Hitler was in power, he broke all promises he had made to the workers. Hitler and the Nazi Party did away with collective bargaining and the right to strike. He replaced trade unions with an organization called the 'Labor Front', but this organization was fundamentally a tool of the Nazi Party and did not operate in the workers' favor. According to the law that created the Labor Front, "Its task is to see that every individual should be able to perform the maximum of work" (Kangas 13)."
http://mattbrundage.com/publications/hitler-democracy.php

Again, he's a lot closer to Modern Conservativism than Socialism.

[OzmO]

Thats not true Oz. I have two clients that go to LB St. including my wife and one that went to Cal St. Fullerton. The client that went to Cal St. Fullerton got into I guess a semi debate with her professor who wanted the class to write about a Liberal leader, she spoke up and said basically the same thing I was thinking, even thought she wrote the paper, she got marked down for speaking up.

A couple of weeks ago my wife could have done some extra credit for her class. She was asked to go to something called "University by the Sea" in Long Beach sponsored by LB St. Now, Ozmo, it looks like there are some fun workshops (mostly liberal oriented) but this is what got me. If you click on the link and scroll down to "Session 3" you'll see something that would (or should) blow anyone away............"How to be a Drag Queen" as soon as I saw that, well......


http://www.universitybythesea.com/

I clicked on the link and didn't see anything that said session 3.  Was i supposed to click on another link in the site?

I'm assuming this is a political science class.  If the paper that was written had good arguments presented and written well; ones that don't involve stereo types, labeling, or emotional tones, then she should have got a decent grade.   You might be assuming that because she spoke up she was marked down.   Did everyone in the class that disagreed with the teacher's views get a bad grade?   If so she should consult the dean and complain about the teachers bias.

[George Whorewell]

I dont think its a big deal but anyone who doesn't think this countries University system isn't a pro left, anti right biased authoritarian dictatorship simply isn't paying attention. Anyone who wants to read up on this subject- Check out "The Shadow University". It came out in about 2000 and was a haunting warning of things to come. Surprisingly though, it was written by two left wing ivy league guys who strongly believe in free speech being absolute for everyone.

[OzmO]

I dont think its a big deal but anyone who doesn't think this countries University system isn't a pro left, anti right biased authoritarian dictatorship simply isn't paying attention. Anyone who wants to read up on this subject- Check out "The Shadow University". It came out in about 2000 and was a haunting warning of things to come. Surprisingly though, it was written by two left wing ivy league guys who strongly believe in free speech being absolute for everyone.

Wow, you conservatives are so fvcked.   What is it about journalism and teaching that attracts do many liberals?   

[George Whorewell]

lol I was a journalism major in college and my mother was a teacher/ public school administrator for 25 years. All I can tell you is that both professions these days seem to be dominated by people who want easy jobs with good benefits and either have some political agenda or want to get on their soap boxes and conduct their own social experiments/ crusades for social justice.

[OzmO]

lol I was a journalism major in college and my mother was a teacher/ public school administrator for 25 years. All I can tell you is that both professions these days seem to be dominated by people who want easy jobs with good benefits and either have some political agenda or want to get on their soap boxes and conduct their own social experiments/ crusades for social justice.

Journalism and teaching easy jobs?    lol

Everyone wants to make lots of money and do nothing.   But to be a journalist or teacher, at least a good one, you have to a some passion for it.

[George Whorewell]

I didnt say they were lucrative jobs, but they are easy jobs- trust me. And to be good at any job, even a garbage man or metermaid, you have to have a degree of passion.

[OzmO]

I didnt say they were lucrative jobs, but they are easy jobs- trust me. And to be good at any job, even a garbage man or metermaid, you have to have a degree of passion.

Bad comparison.  Garbage men and metermiads don;t have to use their brains or people skills to be good at what they do.   People don;t become journalist or teachers for the money.  They do it because they have a passion about the profession to a greater or lesser degree and you have ask yourself why does that attract liberals.

[George Whorewell]

Having worked to a degree in both professions, having been around both professions- I can tell you many dont do it because theyre passionate about it. Many teachers become teachers because they get 3 months off per year, the benefits are pretty good, theres no drug testing and essentially they have jobs with little accountability. In addition, many big cities will pay for public school teachers to get their masters degree which is also an attraction. As far as universities go, its a no brainer- You get a job where you dont have to ever become an adult. No accountability, a free hand to do or say whatever you want because your part of the same ideology as the administrators. And dont kid yourself- There is good money in the college/ University system.

Journalism I think has historically been more accepting to the liberal ideology. While I was in school the concept of "diversifying" the news rooms was crammed down everyones throat. By my senior year, half the faculty and most of the student body was female or minority. There is a definite affirmative action element to it. The usual mantras of exposing the big bad government, exposing the power structure, telling the stories of the unseen, etc. run deep. What you see is that depending on who the journalist is, they tend to target the opposite political party. However, keep in mind that journalism is also a career with next to no accountability. Also, besides law, I would probably guess being in the media qualifies as the most hated profession in the country.