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San Francisco weighs decriminalizing prostitution
« on: October 21, 2008, 06:23:25 PM »
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - In this live-and-let-live town, where medical marijuana clubs do business next to grocery stores and an annual fair celebrates sadomasochism, prostitutes could soon walk the streets without fear of arrest.
San Francisco would become the first major U.S. city to decriminalize prostitution if voters next month approve Proposition K—a measure that forbids local authorities from investigating, arresting or prosecuting anyone for selling sex.

The ballot question technically would not legalize prostitution since state law still prohibits it, but the measure would eliminate the power of local law enforcement officials to go after prostitutes.

Proponents say the measure will free up $11 million the police spend each year arresting prostitutes and allow them to form collectives.

"It will allow workers to organize for our rights and for our safety," said Patricia West, 22, who said she has been selling sex for about a year by placing ads on the Internet. She moved to San Francisco in May from Texas to work on Proposition K.

Even in tolerant San Francisco—where the sadomasochism fair draws thousands of tourists and a pornographic video company is housed in a former armory—the measure faces an uphill battle, with much of the political establishment opposing it.

Some form of prostitution is already legal in two states. Brothels are allowed in rural counties in Nevada. And Rhode Island permits the sale of sex behind closed doors between consulting adults, but it prohibits street prostitution and brothels.

In 2004, almost two-thirds of voters in nearby Berkeley rejected decriminalization. But proponents of Proposition K say their proposal has a better shot in San Francisco, which they believe is more sexually liberal than the city across the bay.

After all, the world's oldest profession has long been established here. During the Gold Rush, the neighborhood closest to the piers was a seedy pleasure center of sex, gambling and drinking known as the Barbary Coast.

These days, on certain corners, prostitutes sell their bodies day and night, ducking into doorways and alleys when police pass by. One recent afternoon in the Mission District, six prostitutes were plying their trade on a single block.

Police made 1,583 prostitution arrests in 2007 and expect to make a similar number this year. But the district attorney's office says most defendants are fined, placed in diversion programs or both. Fewer than 5 percent get prosecuted for solicitation, which is a misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in jail.

Proposition K has been endorsed by the local Democratic Party. But the mayor, district attorney, police department and much of the business community oppose the idea, contending it would increase street prostitution, allow pimps the run of neighborhoods and hamper the fight against sex trafficking, which would remain illegal because it involves forcing people into the sex trade.

The San Francisco Chronicle editorialized against the measure, saying it could make the city a magnet for prostitution.

If the proposal passes, "we wouldn't be able to investigate prostitution, and it's going to be pretty difficult for us to locate these folks who are victims of trafficking otherwise," said Capt. Al Pardini, head of the police department's vice unit. "It's pretty rare that we get a call that says: 'I'm a victim of human trafficking' or 'I suspect human trafficking in my neighborhood.'"

The proposition would also prohibit police from accepting federal or state funds for sex trafficking investigations that involve racial profiling. Such investigations often arise from raids on brothels that advertise as Asian massage parlors.

"We feel that repressive policies don't help trafficking victims, and that human rights-based approaches, including decriminalization, are actually more effective," said Carol Leigh, co-founder of the Bay Area Sex Workers Advocacy Network and a longtime advocate for prostitutes' rights.

But San Francisco District Attorney Kamala Harris said the ballot question mistakenly assumes prostitution is a victimless crime.

"The crime of prostitution does not exist by itself," Harris said. "Along with it come pimps, johns and other crimes that really impact the safety of neighborhoods."

If the measure passes, supporters say, prostitutes would not feel the need for pimps as protection. But opponents insist it would embolden pimps who trap drug addicts into prostitution by plying them with drugs.

"The proponents usually paint a fairly rosy picture of two consenting adults and a monetary exchange at the end," Pardini said. "They don't factor in the people that are being exploited and people that are being controlled, the ones manipulated both physically and chemically."
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Re: San Francisco weighs decriminalizing prostitution
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2008, 06:35:41 PM »
LOL this would make san fran one of the most popular vacation cities in the US if its not already. Not a good idea imho san fran is a beautiful town honestly one of the most beautiful towns ive been to in the US flagstaff, arizona is another one. I wouldnt want to see street walkers running around and trashing up such a nice location. I wonder how it would prevent the police from going after them?

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« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2008, 06:47:30 PM »
Prostitution is a victimless crime. It is a business transaction.

Should be legalized.

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« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2008, 06:58:03 PM »
Prostitution is a victimless crime. It is a business transaction.

Should be legalized.
ehhh thats akin to saying drug use is a victim less crime good on the surface but when you take a deeper look its not really true.

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« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2008, 07:03:13 PM »
ehhh thats akin to saying drug use is a victim less crime good on the surface but when you take a deeper look its not really true.

then we shold outlaw cigarettes and alcohol 

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« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2008, 07:10:08 PM »
then we shold outlaw cigarettes and alcohol 
by using that logic that would be correct but the difference is the amount of social disturbance that illicit drugs cause and legal drugs cause.

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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2008, 07:17:55 AM »
by using that logic that would be correct but the difference is the amount of social disturbance that illicit drugs cause and legal drugs cause.

Drugs are practically legal now.   Getting them is as easy as making a phone cal or going to the local market.  Fully 50% of law enforcement centers around drug enforcement.  And the problem is NOT getting better.

Look at the problems alcohol already give us.   Violence, abuse and death.   

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« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2008, 07:27:39 AM »
ehhh thats akin to saying drug use is a victim less crime good on the surface but when you take a deeper look its not really true.

Agree, I find it hard to believe that 95% of those women want to do that, must be a horrible thing, as far as I have read they fell into it with issues like drug addiction, runaways, illegals desperate to feed kids etc.

And unless someone can really say with a straight face wouldn't mind their wife, daughter and mom being prostitutes, then it shouldn't be considered a job that anyone should legally hold, and making things legal does condone them to an extent.

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« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2008, 07:31:51 AM »
EVERY woman is a prostitute to a certain extent.

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« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2008, 07:36:45 AM »
If they legalized it, I'm sure it would be regulated so this doesn't mean they'd be running around the streets like the article says right away.  I don't have a hardcore stance on this really.  It's something that will always be around, you can't stop it. San Fran needs to stop doing shit like this around election time IMO...  gets carried around the country as a stop libs cry.  more people voting for the guy they think has god on their side or some shit.

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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2008, 08:18:58 AM »
"Rhode Island permits the sale of sex behind closed doors between consulting adults, but it prohibits street prostitution and brothels".

I see major problems with prostitution but also wish to respect personal freedoms.  I think Rhode Island has a reasonable compromise.  When pimps get involved, I can only see bad things for all involved.

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« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2008, 08:22:16 AM »
Agree, I find it hard to believe that 95% of those women want to do that, must be a horrible thing, as far as I have read they fell into it with issues like drug addiction, runaways, illegals desperate to feed kids etc.

And unless someone can really say with a straight face wouldn't mind their wife, daughter and mom being prostitutes, then it shouldn't be considered a job that anyone should legally hold, and making things legal does condone them to an extent.

I disagree.  People choose to be prostitutes.  They may not like it, but they chose to do it.  There are alternatives.  Making it legal would allow for better safety, health and regulation.   

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« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2008, 08:34:03 AM »
I 100% disagree with it being legalized. However, a hands-off approach by law enforcement doesnt seem like a bad thing. People want sex and money. Its human nature. Not everyone can become a pornstar. At the same time, making it legal will open the floodgates of explotation by unwilling participants, minors, and drug addicts being degraded to feed their habit. Also, dont kid yourself- Legalization cant be good for public health issues either.

One thing people dont realize is that legally, this might not survive a challenge even if the ordinance is passed. If strip clubs, XXX video stores and topless bars can be banned or zoned out of existance based on the "secondary effects doctrine" (Peep shows, xxx bookstores and the like will encourage undesirable effects such as drug dealing, drinking, violence, etc.), all it will take is a handfull of local citizens to do the same thing. It certainly will become an interesting first amendment issue.

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« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2008, 08:39:26 AM »
I 100% disagree with it being legalized. However, a hands-off approach by law enforcement doesnt seem like a bad thing. People want sex and money. Its human nature. Not everyone can become a pornstar. At the same time, making it legal will open the floodgates of explotation by unwilling participants, minors, and drug addicts being degraded to feed their habit. Also, dont kid yourself- Legalization cant be good for public health issues either.

One thing people dont realize is that legally, this might not survive a challenge even if the ordinance is passed. If strip clubs, XXX video stores and topless bars can be banned or zoned out of existance based on the "secondary effects doctrine", all it will take is a handfull of local citizens to do the same thing. It certainly will become an interesting first amendment issue.
legal is safer than illegal.  The places in Nevada are regulated and they have to get check ups and safe sex is required.  So the guy who goes into the regulated brothel vs. the guy who picked up an illegal street hooker, who is more likely to spread STDs? Also, it's up to the place, just like most towns will only allow so many bars, maybe they would only allow so many brothels?  a lot to think about I guess.

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« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2008, 08:42:25 AM »
Good to know that SF is leading the way of the demoralization of America in every way.

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« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2008, 08:43:29 AM »
Good to know that SF is leading the way of the demoralization of America in every way.

That's why i love this place so much  ;D    It would be perfect if it wasn't for the arid climate and the traffic. 

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« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2008, 08:45:44 AM »
legal is safer than illegal.  The places in Nevada are regulated and they have to get check ups and safe sex is required.  So the guy who goes into the regulated brothel vs. the guy who picked up an illegal street hooker, who is more likely to spread STDs? Also, it's up to the place, just like most towns will only allow so many bars, maybe they would only allow so many brothels?  a lot to think about I guess.

Not to mention sex slavery, and  physical abuse

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« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2008, 08:46:12 AM »
Whatever is decided, we have to keep hookers and pimps from peddling on the streets.

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« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2008, 08:46:56 AM »
Good to know that SF is leading the way of the demoralization of America in every way.
nothing immoral about it, no different than the gold digging whore who wants a house, wedding ring, cars, attention, clothes, jewelry, etc. for sex.

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« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2008, 08:49:59 AM »
Guys, wake up. DO you really think legalization is going to have an impact on your typical corner street hooker? There will still be unregulated prostitution. Do you know how expensive the hookers in Nevada are? Your average joe blow job looking for a quickie cant spend 1000 bucks-- Hes probably looking to drop 50 or 100 and theres going to be some streetwalking pig that will accomadate him. Thats another reason why this ordinance is useless.

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« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2008, 08:50:55 AM »
Whatever is decided, we have to keep hookers and pimps from peddling on the streets.
done right, this would naturally deture that.  The jon would opt for the legit route leaving no business to be had on the street.  Of course it will never be a 100% but done right, could lower the street business well below what the cops are able to do.  and I imagine it would be taxed so there's money for the city :D

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« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2008, 08:52:17 AM »
Guys, wake up. DO you really think legalization is going to have an impact on your typical corner street hooker? There will still be unregulated prostitution. Do you know how expensive the hookers in Nevada are? Your average joe blow job looking for a quickie cant spend 1000 bucks-- Hes probably looking to drop 50 or 100 and theres going to be some streetwalking pig that will accomadate him. Thats another reason why this ordinance is useless.
no you're right, it won't end it but it could easily lower below what law enforcement can.  Not all places are high end 1000 bucks for a bj...  There would probably be a range of some kind and yea, there would still be the guy who doesn't want to pay more than 20 bucks and will look for it on the street.

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« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2008, 08:55:21 AM »
Guys, wake up. DO you really think legalization is going to have an impact on your typical corner street hooker? There will still be unregulated prostitution. Do you know how expensive the hookers in Nevada are? Your average joe blow job looking for a quickie cant spend 1000 bucks-- Hes probably looking to drop 50 or 100 and theres going to be some streetwalking pig that will accomadate him. Thats another reason why this ordinance is useless.

Hang out in Nevada some time.  I'm sure there are instances as nothing will be 100%.  But by and far, it's better.

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« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2008, 09:04:11 AM »
That's why i love this place so much  ;D    It would be perfect if it wasn't for the arid climate and the traffic. 
LOL you should come live in houston for a few years then san frans arid climate will be a welcome change from houston humidity...thats actually why i liked it hahahah

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« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2008, 09:06:32 AM »
ehhh thats akin to saying drug use is a victim less crime good on the surface but when you take a deeper look its not really true.

How so? Drugs are victimless too, it's the people that are the problem, not the item being regulated.