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Re: Well, Looky Looky!!! Obama does = Socialism
« Reply #25 on: October 25, 2008, 11:18:29 AM »

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Re: Well, Looky Looky!!! Obama does = Socialism
« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2008, 11:48:11 AM »
He's a socialist. Taking money from someone who works hard for their money and family and taking a portion of that to give to someone who has less money (essentially in most cases lazy) is in essence, socialism. It give those people who don't want to work more incentive NOT to work.
Reagan, Nixon, Ford, Bush I and Bush the lesser have all, under your definition, redistributed wealth.  I would wager that you voted for one if not all of those guys.  Except for Nixon. 

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Re: Well, Looky Looky!!! Obama does = Socialism
« Reply #27 on: October 25, 2008, 04:12:52 PM »
Because most who are voting for him are in favor of government handouts, don't pay taxes, don't have a job and don't know better. Ask them why they want Obama and the answer is usually "Change" ok....change for what? Aaaa errrrrr ahhhhh!

Besides that Jag, your in Canada and already getting raped on taxes. Wouldn't you like to pay less taxes or at least not have then raised?

Of course I would, who wouldn't want to pay less taxes, ...but at what price?
The McCain policy is worse than Obama's plain & simple. We saw what those kinds of slash & burn cut spending policies did, it didn't improve our lives. What we saved on taxes, ending up being spent on alarms and security systems to keep the criminals out, ...and on endless user fees to the point where the savings didn't materialize at all, but the negative impacts on our society were felt far and wide.

You scream about taxes, as if that is the be all and end all. The fact is, there are enough loopholes out there that anyone with money will have a way to shield themselves before the "socialists" can close them all.
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Re: Well, Looky Looky!!! Obama does = Socialism
« Reply #28 on: October 25, 2008, 04:15:24 PM »
I disagree with Obama on letting the Bush tax cuts expire. As you may have read, from my many posts on this topic, I'm opposed to the progressive tax system - I think it's morally wrong to penalize someone on their success just because they make more.

It's my opinion that when a person has more disposable income they have more to spend and invest. Either way it makes its way back into the economy. I am also of the opinion that our government is bloated and corrupt. We've seen Bush, in the past 8 years, grow the size of government and abuse it's power (which only confirms my belief that he is not a true conservative but a southern Democrat). I am not of the opinion that if the Democrats take over that it will change. Anyhoo, on taxes I support the Fair Tax Act but I think a flat tax would be a good and fair compromise.

I also think that we, as a nation, need to take a hard look at our foreign policy. We spend billions upon billions on maintaining a military presence overseas. When I was a young I served in the Reagan/Bush/Clinton Navy. During the Cold War I think our military presence was justified but the world has changed and I think it's high time for a lot of these countries to pick up the slack and take responsibility for the defense of their own nations instead of sticking us, the American tax payer, with the bill.

People are right when they say we are responsible for the monsters we create. We made Bin Laden. He was a result of our presence in Afghanistan to combat the Soviet invasion. The same for Saddam Hussein. I am by no means saying we need to become an isolationist country. I'm saying we need to take a hard look at our foreign policy and stop with the meddling and intervention. We can no longer afford it.


So you will be voting for obama afterall?  :D
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Re: Well, Looky Looky!!! Obama does = Socialism
« Reply #29 on: October 26, 2008, 04:02:04 PM »
So you will be voting for obama afterall?  :D

No.

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Re: Well, Looky Looky!!! Obama does = Socialism
« Reply #30 on: October 26, 2008, 11:39:30 PM »
No.

hmmm,...then at least please tell me you won't be voting for McCain either?
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Re: Well, Looky Looky!!! Obama does = Socialism
« Reply #31 on: October 26, 2008, 11:44:13 PM »
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Do you really need more PROOF?

I think it's safe to say that he is a HARDCORE Socialist , now either accept it and say you support it or don't vote for him.

But voting for him even though you don't support him...that's just wrong.


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Re: Well, Looky Looky!!! Obama does = Socialism
« Reply #32 on: October 27, 2008, 07:32:06 AM »
At this point I dont think anything could change the minds of the libs who worship the messiah.

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Re: Well, Looky Looky!!! Obama does = Socialism
« Reply #33 on: October 27, 2008, 07:37:06 AM »
What the hell's wrong with you people?

Really.

Obama offers  the country a little hope and a little enthusiasm and all you rightwingers can do is denigrate him as Messiah, Zero and other brainless observations.  You are the kings of trivial pursuits.  No observation is too ridiculous or minor for your type to make.

Thank you for shitcanning the level of political discourse in this country.

Did you rightwingers vote for Bush b/c he was a self-professed UNITER or b/c he wasn't a DIVIDER?


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Re: Well, Looky Looky!!! Obama does = Socialism
« Reply #34 on: October 27, 2008, 07:42:46 AM »
For some reason I find, being friends with terroist and wanting to change the fundamentals of a country alot more then a minor observation.

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Re: Well, Looky Looky!!! Obama does = Socialism
« Reply #35 on: October 27, 2008, 10:18:32 AM »
For some reason I find, being friends with terroist and wanting to change the fundamentals of a country alot more then a minor observation.

Come on now....

20 years of Wright.
Years with Ayers and loving his book (will you read the book of a terrorist? I know I won't bother to)
Years of ties to Rezco and his money.
Years of ties to ACORN in the forms of jobs,money and voter registration frauds.
Public and personal support of a Communist leader in Kenya.
Deleting Frank Davis from the second edition of his book.
Receiving 150$mil of fraudulent donations deliberately.
Admitting over and over he want to redistribute the wealth.

It's all nothing compared to having a sign that says change.... ::)

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Re: Well, Looky Looky!!! Obama does = Socialism
« Reply #36 on: October 27, 2008, 12:42:55 PM »
Oh yeah I forgot lol

Hope and CHANGE!!!!

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Re: Well, Looky Looky!!! Obama does = Socialism
« Reply #37 on: October 27, 2008, 12:57:36 PM »
What the hell's wrong with you people?

Really.

Obama offers  the country a little hope and a little enthusiasm and all you rightwingers can do is denigrate him as Messiah, Zero and other brainless observations.  You are the kings of trivial pursuits.  No observation is too ridiculous or minor for your type to make.

Thank you for shitcanning the level of political discourse in this country.

Did you rightwingers vote for Bush b/c he was a self-professed UNITER or b/c he wasn't a DIVIDER?


I voted for Bush on the exact thing that he had promised, which was to appoint strict interpretation justices to the supreme court.  He did that with Roberts and Alito.  He even tried to fill all of the vacancies for the district and appellant courts, but the Democratic part mastered the art of filibustering.  It's unheard of to have appointees hanging in the balance for years at a time! 

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Re: Well, Looky Looky!!! Obama does = Socialism
« Reply #38 on: October 27, 2008, 01:03:36 PM »
I voted for Bush on the exact thing that he had promised, which was to appoint strict interpretation justices to the supreme court.  He did that with Roberts and Alito.  He even tried to fill all of the vacancies for the district and appellant courts, but the Democratic part mastered the art of filibustering.  It's unheard of to have appointees hanging in the balance for years at a time! 
There is no strict constructionist on the Supreme Court.  I take that back.  If Thomas ever opened his mouth, he might be considered an orginialist.  Under Strict Construction, if it existed, we'd still have slaves, women as servants, and child labor...and no abortion.

I have no problem with the democrats showing an iota of spine by keeping Bush's far-right appointments from seeing the light of day.  He's done enough damage to our government thank you.

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Re: Well, Looky Looky!!! Obama does = Socialism
« Reply #39 on: October 27, 2008, 01:05:05 PM »
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Critics have called Klein's reporting on Obama made up of guilt by association attacks.[29] His first piece on Bill Ayers was criticized by some as "the first major swift-boating of Obama, referring to conservative-led attacks against Presidential candidate John Kerry during the 2004 presidential election. [30] [31][32] CBS News called Klein a "key purveyor of the [anti-Obama] smear campaign." [33]


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Re: Well, Looky Looky!!! Obama does = Socialism
« Reply #40 on: October 27, 2008, 01:14:40 PM »
There is no strict constructionist on the Supreme Court.  I take that back.  If Thomas ever opened his mouth, he might be considered an orginialist.  Under Strict Construction, if it existed, we'd still have slaves, women as servants, and child labor...and no abortion.


You mean they wouldn't interpret and apply the 13th Amendment (no slavery), 24th Amendment (women's right to vote), and/or the federal laws prohibiting child labor? 

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Re: Well, Looky Looky!!! Obama does = Socialism
« Reply #41 on: October 27, 2008, 01:36:05 PM »
You mean they wouldn't interpret and apply the 13th Amendment (no slavery), 24th Amendment (women's right to vote), and/or the federal laws prohibiting child labor? 
No, I mean strict constructionism is a meaningless phrase employed to justify the judicial activism of right wing justices. 

Whenever I see SC offered up, it usually means originalism.  Under that view, none of those amendments are legitimate.

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Re: Well, Looky Looky!!! Obama does = Socialism
« Reply #42 on: October 27, 2008, 01:38:07 PM »
No, I mean strict constructionism is a meaningless phrase employed to justify the judicial activism of right wing justices. 

Whenever I see SC offered up, it usually means originalism.  Under that view, none of those amendments are legitimate.

How so?  "Originalism" means the Constitution can never be amended? 

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Re: Well, Looky Looky!!! Obama does = Socialism
« Reply #43 on: October 27, 2008, 03:51:00 PM »
How so?  "Originalism" means the Constitution can never be amended? 
It can be amended.  It shouldn't waver from the Framer's original intent.  That's originalism.

It's just a way of interpretation.  Believe me, Thomas and Scalia do not think Roe v. Wade is good law.  It's the supreme law of the land.  But it's horrible law to these originalists.

Somehow, their gift for textualism gives them the ability to divine the intent of men dead for over 200 years.

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Re: Well, Looky Looky!!! Obama does = Socialism
« Reply #44 on: October 27, 2008, 04:08:21 PM »
It can be amended.  It shouldn't waver from the Framer's original intent.  That's originalism.

It's just a way of interpretation.  Believe me, Thomas and Scalia do not think Roe v. Wade is good law.  It's the supreme law of the land.  But it's horrible law to these originalists.

Somehow, their gift for textualism gives them the ability to divine the intent of men dead for over 200 years.

Unless the Framer's intended that the Constitution could never be amended, I don't see how an interpretation that slavery is the law of the land, in direct conflict with the 13th Amendment, is possible. 

Doesn't matter how long they have been dead.  The document doesn't change over time based on some judge's interpretation.  If times change, then we amend the document, not our interpretation of the document.  I have no problem with that. 

If some judges aren't consistent with how they interpret the Constitution, that's a problem with judges, not the Constitution.   

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Re: Well, Looky Looky!!! Obama does = Socialism
« Reply #45 on: October 27, 2008, 04:34:09 PM »
You guys are so afraid of socialism but you obviously haven't been paying attention for the past 30 years, it's already here.  The whole bail out plan is a PURE socialist move.  Under a true Capatilist environment, the government would never step in to save a failing institution.  We've already seen this happen in the early 80's for Chrysler, under socialist move where the government stepped in and helped out, and now with all of these banks and investment institutions failing we have the government stepping in again.  Socialism is already here and has been for a while.  You guys are just whining over nothing.

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Re: Well, Looky Looky!!! Obama does = Socialism
« Reply #46 on: October 27, 2008, 05:26:47 PM »
hmmm,...then at least please tell me you won't be voting for McCain either?

I don't like McCain (anymore). I'm not voting for him either.


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Re: Well, Looky Looky!!! Obama does = Socialism
« Reply #47 on: October 27, 2008, 05:29:15 PM »
You guys are so afraid of socialism but you obviously haven't been paying attention for the past 30 years, it's already here.  The whole bail out plan is a PURE socialist move.  Under a true Capatilist environment, the government would never step in to save a failing institution.  We've already seen this happen in the early 80's for Chrysler, under socialist move where the government stepped in and helped out, and now with all of these banks and investment institutions failing we have the government stepping in again.  Socialism is already here and has been for a while.  You guys are just whining over nothing.

This is true.... but that doesn't mean I want to help it move further along.


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Re: Well, Looky Looky!!! Obama does = Socialism
« Reply #48 on: October 27, 2008, 05:29:18 PM »
I expect this story to hit the news in the next few days... If they don't by then they missed the target.  I'm shocked it hasn't hit already.