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McCain for President
« on: October 24, 2008, 09:03:10 PM »
October 24, 2008
McCain for President
By Charles Krauthammer

WASHINGTON -- Contrarian that I am, I'm voting for John McCain. I'm not talking about bucking the polls or the media consensus that it's over before it's over. I'm talking about bucking the rush of wet-fingered conservatives leaping to Barack Obama before they're left out in the cold without a single state dinner for the next four years.

I stand athwart the rush of conservative ship-jumpers of every stripe -- neo (Ken Adelman), moderate (Colin Powell), genetic/ironic (Christopher Buckley) and socialist/atheist (Christopher Hitchens) -- yelling "Stop!" I shall have no part of this motley crew. I will go down with the McCain ship. I'd rather lose an election than lose my bearings.

First, I'll have no truck with the phony case ginned up to rationalize voting for the most liberal and inexperienced presidential nominee in living memory. The "erratic" temperament issue, for example. As if McCain's risky and unsuccessful but in no way irrational attempt to tactically maneuver his way through the economic tsunami that came crashing down a month ago renders unfit for office a man who demonstrated the most admirable equanimity and courage in the face of unimaginable pressures as a prisoner of war, and who later steadily navigated innumerable challenges and setbacks, not the least of which was the collapse of his campaign just a year ago.

McCain the "erratic" is a cheap Obama talking point. The 40-year record testifies to McCain the stalwart.

Nor will I countenance the "dirty campaign" pretense. The double standard here is stunning. Obama ran a scurrilous Spanish-language ad falsely associating McCain with anti-Hispanic slurs. Another ad falsely claimed McCain supports "cutting Social Security benefits in half." And for months Democrats insisted that McCain sought 100 years of war in Iraq.

McCain's critics are offended that he raised the issue of William Ayers. What's astonishing is that Obama was himself not offended by William Ayers.

Moreover, the most remarkable of all tactical choices of this election season is the attack that never was. Out of extreme (and unnecessary) conscientiousness, McCain refused to raise the legitimate issue of Obama's most egregious association -- with the race-baiting Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Dirty campaigning, indeed.

The case for McCain is straightforward. The financial crisis has made us forget, or just blindly deny, how dangerous the world out there is. We have a generations-long struggle with Islamic jihadism. An apocalyptic soon-to-be-nuclear Iran. A nuclear-armed Pakistan in danger of fragmentation. A rising Russia pushing the limits of revanchism. Plus the sure-to-come Falklands-like surprise popping out of nowhere.

Who do you want answering that phone at 3 a.m.? A man who's been cramming on these issues for the last year, who's never had to make an executive decision affecting so much as a city, let alone the world? A foreign policy novice instinctively inclined to the flabbiest, most vaporous multilateralism (e.g., the Berlin Wall came down because of "a world that stands as one"), and who refers to the most deliberate act of war since Pearl Harbor as "the tragedy of 9/11," a term more appropriate for a bus accident?

Or do you want a man who is the most prepared, most knowledgeable, most serious foreign policy thinker in the United States Senate? A man who not only has the best instincts, but has the honor and the courage to, yes, put country first, as when he carried the lonely fight for the surge that turned Iraq from catastrophic defeat into achievable strategic victory?

There's just no comparison. Obama's own running mate warned this week that Obama's youth and inexperience will invite a crisis -- indeed a crisis "generated" precisely to test him. Can you be serious about national security and vote on Nov. 4 to invite that test?

And how will he pass it? Well, how has he fared on the only two significant foreign policy tests he has faced since he's been in the Senate? The first was the surge. Obama failed spectacularly. He not only opposed it. He tried to denigrate it, stop it and, finally, deny its success.

The second test was Georgia, to which Obama responded instinctively with evenhanded moral equivalence, urging restraint on both sides. McCain did not have to consult his advisers to instantly identify the aggressor.

Today's economic crisis, like every other in our history, will in time pass. But the barbarians will still be at the gates. Whom do you want on the parapet? I'm for the guy who can tell the lion from the lamb.

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Re: McCain for President
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2008, 09:07:15 PM »
krauthammer voting for mccain? no FUCKING WAY

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Re: McCain for President
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2008, 09:08:54 PM »
I have serious questions... Was Bush's inexperience why he was "tested" with 9/11?

The people who were in that area of Georgia have said that Georgia NOT Russia was the aggressor... You're saying the people of Georgia are lying?

Basically, this is the same old "Vote for McCain or our enemies will attack us" shtick that's been going on for months.

I guess if it was good enough for Bush to be tested, it's good enough for Obama. ::)

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Re: McCain for President
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2008, 10:25:12 PM »
October 24, 2008
McCain for President
By Charles Krauthammer

WASHINGTON -- Contrarian that I am, I'm voting for John McCain. I'm not talking about bucking the polls or the media consensus that it's over before it's over. I'm talking about bucking the rush of wet-fingered conservatives leaping to Barack Obama before they're left out in the cold without a single state dinner for the next four years.

I stand athwart the rush of conservative ship-jumpers of every stripe -- neo (Ken Adelman), moderate (Colin Powell), genetic/ironic (Christopher Buckley) and socialist/atheist (Christopher Hitchens) -- yelling "Stop!" I shall have no part of this motley crew. I will go down with the McCain ship. I'd rather lose an election than lose my bearings.

First, I'll have no truck with the phony case ginned up to rationalize voting for the most liberal and inexperienced presidential nominee in living memory. The "erratic" temperament issue, for example. As if McCain's risky and unsuccessful but in no way irrational attempt to tactically maneuver his way through the economic tsunami that came crashing down a month ago renders unfit for office a man who demonstrated the most admirable equanimity and courage in the face of unimaginable pressures as a prisoner of war, and who later steadily navigated innumerable challenges and setbacks, not the least of which was the collapse of his campaign just a year ago.

McCain the "erratic" is a cheap Obama talking point. The 40-year record testifies to McCain the stalwart.

Nor will I countenance the "dirty campaign" pretense. The double standard here is stunning. Obama ran a scurrilous Spanish-language ad falsely associating McCain with anti-Hispanic slurs. Another ad falsely claimed McCain supports "cutting Social Security benefits in half." And for months Democrats insisted that McCain sought 100 years of war in Iraq.

McCain's critics are offended that he raised the issue of William Ayers. What's astonishing is that Obama was himself not offended by William Ayers.

Moreover, the most remarkable of all tactical choices of this election season is the attack that never was. Out of extreme (and unnecessary) conscientiousness, McCain refused to raise the legitimate issue of Obama's most egregious association -- with the race-baiting Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Dirty campaigning, indeed.

The case for McCain is straightforward. The financial crisis has made us forget, or just blindly deny, how dangerous the world out there is. We have a generations-long struggle with Islamic jihadism. An apocalyptic soon-to-be-nuclear Iran. A nuclear-armed Pakistan in danger of fragmentation. A rising Russia pushing the limits of revanchism. Plus the sure-to-come Falklands-like surprise popping out of nowhere.

Who do you want answering that phone at 3 a.m.? A man who's been cramming on these issues for the last year, who's never had to make an executive decision affecting so much as a city, let alone the world? A foreign policy novice instinctively inclined to the flabbiest, most vaporous multilateralism (e.g., the Berlin Wall came down because of "a world that stands as one"), and who refers to the most deliberate act of war since Pearl Harbor as "the tragedy of 9/11," a term more appropriate for a bus accident?

Or do you want a man who is the most prepared, most knowledgeable, most serious foreign policy thinker in the United States Senate? A man who not only has the best instincts, but has the honor and the courage to, yes, put country first, as when he carried the lonely fight for the surge that turned Iraq from catastrophic defeat into achievable strategic victory?

There's just no comparison. Obama's own running mate warned this week that Obama's youth and inexperience will invite a crisis -- indeed a crisis "generated" precisely to test him. Can you be serious about national security and vote on Nov. 4 to invite that test?

And how will he pass it? Well, how has he fared on the only two significant foreign policy tests he has faced since he's been in the Senate? The first was the surge. Obama failed spectacularly. He not only opposed it. He tried to denigrate it, stop it and, finally, deny its success.

The second test was Georgia, to which Obama responded instinctively with evenhanded moral equivalence, urging restraint on both sides. McCain did not have to consult his advisers to instantly identify the aggressor.

Today's economic crisis, like every other in our history, will in time pass. But the barbarians will still be at the gates. Whom do you want on the parapet? I'm for the guy who can tell the lion from the lamb.

Outstanding commentary.  He is one of my favorite conservatives.  Excellent summary of many of the reasons why I'm voting for McCain.   

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Re: McCain for President
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2008, 10:33:12 PM »
Outstanding commentary.  He is one of my favorite conservatives.  Excellent summary of many of the reasons why I'm voting for McCain.   

What are you going to do on Nov 4th when Obama is elected President?
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Re: McCain for President
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2008, 10:40:26 PM »
What are you going to do on Nov 4th when Obama is elected President?

If Obama wins I will wish him well and hope he is as successful as possible.

I’d ask what you will do if McCain wins, but you’re Canadian and we don’t what you folks think.   :) 

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Re: McCain for President
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2008, 10:47:55 PM »
If Obama wins I will wish him well and hope he is as successful as possible.

I’d ask what you will do if McCain wins, but you’re Canadian and we don’t what you folks think.   :) 


I will conclude the rest of my countrymen and the world was right when they said Americans are too stupid for their own good. I've been one of the last hold outs, thinking perhaps you guys still have it in you to redeem yourselves, ...but if you choose McCain, the evidence will be too clear for me to deny any longer.

I will also convert my money to swiss francs, and close my eyes and ears to all the wailing and gnashing of teeth coming from south of the border.
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Re: McCain for President
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2008, 10:51:29 PM »
I will conclude the rest of my countrymen and the world was right when they said Americans are too stupid for their own good. I've been one of the last hold outs, thinking perhaps you guys still have it in you to redeem yourselves, ...but if you choose McCain, the evidence will be too clear for me to deny any longer.

I will also convert my money to swiss francs, and close my eyes and ears to all the wailing and gnashing of teeth coming from south of the border.

And yet there are about 700,000 Canadians in the United States with more tripping over themselves to move here.

You and the America hatred.   ::) 

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Re: McCain for President
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2008, 11:25:29 PM »
you and the damned eye roll emoticon. I swear if Ron took that away, ...you'd be speechless.
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Re: McCain for President
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2008, 11:47:51 PM »
Outstanding commentary.  He is one of my favorite conservatives.  Excellent summary of many of the reasons why I'm voting for McCain.   

are you in a swing state?

Me NC
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Re: McCain for President
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2008, 11:52:30 PM »
you and the damned eye roll emoticon. I swear if Ron took that away, ...you'd be speechless.

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Re: McCain for President
« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2008, 11:53:50 PM »
are you in a swing state?

Me NC

Hardly.  I'm in Hawaii.  He will probably get 90 percent of the vote here.  He won every precinct over Hillary by a wide margin during the primary. 

How does it look in NC?

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Re: McCain for President
« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2008, 12:02:23 AM »
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Re: McCain for President
« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2008, 06:39:46 AM »
Hardly.  I'm in Hawaii.  He will probably get 90 percent of the vote here.  He won every precinct over Hillary by a wide margin during the primary. 

How does it look in NC?

Obama signs everywhere.  Lots of really strong feelings both ways.  Many very aggressive mcCain supporters and many really vocal Obama supporters.  There's just this major sense that we're going to be the FL or OH in 2008.  Like, we'll be the one that makes all the difference.  Of course if Obama wins in a blowout it won't matter, but mcCain will keep it closer than people think.  The republicans have a very strong "get elected" machine in place.
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Re: McCain for President
« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2008, 07:06:43 AM »
'nuff said.

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Re: McCain for President
« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2008, 07:13:05 AM »
'nuff said.

Do you really want me to link Clinton admitting this crisis is mostly on his hands and the Democrats?


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Re: McCain for President
« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2008, 07:19:51 AM »
Do you really want me to link Clinton admitting this crisis is mostly on his hands and the Democrats?



Doing that is pointless.. facts don't rank nearly as high with liberals as cartoons. ;D

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« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2008, 07:24:41 AM »
Doing that is pointless.. facts don't rank nearly as high with liberals as cartoons. ;D


Yeah seriously, I wouldn't give someone with so much connections to felons a job but these people want to vote for him....damn....


I still wonder where from all the money to his new programs will come from? He like to blame Bush for government expansion but plan on even enlarging it.... ::)

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Re: McCain for President
« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2008, 08:50:05 AM »
Do you really want me to link Clinton admitting this crisis is mostly on his hands and the Democrats?


Well if Clinton said it, it has to be true!  Read my lips.  I did not have sexual relations with that woman.


If by 'this crisis' you mean the subprime scandal, then he'd be wrong.  It was Bush who made this disaster into a scandal.

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Re: McCain for President
« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2008, 08:50:45 AM »
Doing that is pointless.. facts don't rank nearly as high with liberals as cartoons. ;D
Point out the facts.  I don't see any.

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Re: McCain for President
« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2008, 09:18:27 AM »
Deregulation of banks and commodity markets was mostly done under Clinton and I'm pretty sure his administration was a strong supporter of the legislation.

Even so, Bush's job as POTUS is to make sure that problems get identified and like 911 he had plenty of people giving him warning of this impending disaster.  Granted, he's kind of detached and doesn't really give a shit about the nuts and bolts of the job and he did have "smart" guys like Greenspan, Paulsen and Bernake telling him everything was fine, even as recently as a few months ago. 

Probably most of the blame should go to the Republicans in congress who for years have championed deregulation and privitization to the dertriment of us all.

 

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Re: McCain for President
« Reply #21 on: October 25, 2008, 10:28:15 AM »
Obama signs everywhere.  Lots of really strong feelings both ways.  Many very aggressive mcCain supporters and many really vocal Obama supporters.  There's just this major sense that we're going to be the FL or OH in 2008.  Like, we'll be the one that makes all the difference.  Of course if Obama wins in a blowout it won't matter, but mcCain will keep it closer than people think.  The republicans have a very strong "get elected" machine in place.

There are Obama bumper stickers all over the place here.  I have to practically duck whenever I tell someone I'm voting for McCain.   :)

This will be a very interesting election.  I think it will be close. 

I wonder which state the CT nuts believe Republicans are trying to steal this year?   :)

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Re: McCain for President
« Reply #22 on: October 25, 2008, 10:49:05 AM »
There are Obama bumper stickers all over the place here.  I have to practically duck whenever I tell someone I'm voting for McCain.   :)

This will be a very interesting election.  I think it will be close. 

I wonder which state the CT nuts believe Republicans are trying to steal this year?   :)


If it's close and Obama wins will there be CT nuts from the other side?

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Re: McCain for President
« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2008, 11:04:35 AM »
If it's close and Obama wins will there be CT nuts from the other side?

Who knows?  I doubt it.  I don't recall conspiracy theories about Clinton stealing the elections in 92 and 96.

We already have people like Jesse Jackson laying the groundwork for the liberal nuts to starting crying as soon as the votes are counted. 

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« Reply #24 on: October 25, 2008, 11:06:53 AM »
Who knows?  I doubt it.  I don't recall conspiracy theories about Clinton stealing the elections in 92 and 96.

We already have people like Jesse Jackson laying the groundwork for the liberal nuts to starting crying as soon as the votes are counted. 

Yeah it won't be pretty if Obama loses.

Was the Clinton Election close?  i don't recall.