NY Times reports massive Acorn voter fraud

[Brixtonbulldog]

http://www.nodnc.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=24

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/duke/050819

just some interesting stuff.. there are articles of ACTUAL voter fraud all over the place yet most of the accusations made towards repubs for fraud are hearsay with no evidence.

[Brixtonbulldog]

Other than right wing dingbats, no one is really accusing  them of fraud. 

dude the NY TIMES of all places reported the story

accept it

[Straw Man]

http://www.nodnc.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=24

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/duke/050819

just some interesting stuff.. there are articles of ACTUAL voter fraud all over the place yet most of the accusations made towards repubs for fraud are hearsay with no evidence.

those links are all about VOTER FRAUD

Show me some links where Dems are accused of ELECTION FRAUD - you know caging, scrubbing thousands of legitimate voters, jamming phone lines, using intimidation in minority districts, owning voting machine companies and flipping thousands of votes.   

You know what I'm talking about.....stuff that Repugs do to steal elections

[Brixtonbulldog]

those links are all about VOTER FRAUD

Show me some links where Dems are accused of ELECTION FRAUD - you know caging, scrubbing thousands of legitimate voters, jamming phone lines, using intimidation in minority districts, owning voting machine companies and flipping thousands of votes.   

You know what I'm talking about.....stuff that Repugs do to steal elections

is massive amounts of organized voter fraud not the same thing?

show me where the GOP has done something illegal

[Straw Man]

is massive amounts of organized voter fraud not the same thing?

show me where the GOP has done something illegal

there is no massive amount of voter fraud

and voter registration fraud is not the same thing as actual voter fraud much less wholesale election fraud.

that's the whole point

If you were a guard in a bank you'd be keeping an eye on the pens while the vault was being robbed

[Al Doggity]

dude the NY TIMES of all places reported the story

accept it

Once again, the article doesn't really address voter fraud. Duplicate registrations are nost voter fraud. Applying twice isn't even a crime.

[Brixtonbulldog]

there is no massive amount of voter fraud

and voter registration fraud is not the same thing as actual voter fraud much less wholesale election fraud.

that's the whole point

If you were a guard in a bank you'd be keeping an eye on the pens while the vault was being robbed

ok fine

show me where the GOP has done something illegal

[Straw Man]

ok fine

show me where the GOP has done something illegal

I already gave you a link written by a Republican who was convicted and has exposed most of their tactics.

I suspect that the real wholesale fraud involves the diebold voting machine and there is plenty of info you can find that should at the VERY LEAST raise your suspicion.   

[Benny B]

dude the NY TIMES of all places reported the story

accept it

    

There is a big difference between voter registration fraud and actual voter fraud. 

You are a moron.

[Al Doggity]

ok fine

show me where the GOP has done something illegal

http://www.alternet.org/election04/20194/

[Al Doggity]

http://gilesbowkett.blogspot.com/2008/09/republican-vote-tampering-machine.html

[Decker]

there is no massive amount of voter fraud

and voter registration fraud is not the same thing as actual voter fraud much less wholesale election fraud.

that's the whole point

If you were a guard in a bank you'd be keeping an eye on the pens while the vault was being robbed

hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

As soon as soon as Speed Racer and Donald Duck show up to vote with their fraudulent voter registration, Brixton will spring out and nab them red-handed thus proving the Democrats are trying to steal the election one vote at a time with ficitonal characters voting.

[Brixtonbulldog]

hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

As soon as soon as Speed Racer and Donald Duck show up to vote with their fraudulent voter registration, Brixton will spring out and nab them red-handed thus proving the Democrats are trying to steal the election one vote at a time with ficitonal characters voting.

Figures, I don't hear any conservative groups registering cartoon characters.

[Decker]

Figures, I don't hear any conservative groups registering cartoon characters.

That's b/c ACORN is not an elitest group. 

And, let's face it, the american right has its shit together organization-wise.  When they steal an election, like they did in 2004 and 2000, they use nonsense like the ACORN case to create an issue where none exists, then they fix the 'problem' with wholesale voter roll scrubbing.

That's pretty smart.  Have a veneer of legitimacy with a complaint of vote fraud and go for the jugular with wholesale election fraud by scrubbing all related voter rolls thereby disenfranchising thousands and thousands of democratic voters.

Like I said, that's fairly clever.

[shootfighter1]

Al, there is widespread registration fraud.  You must admit this.  Its reported everywhere now, its not disputable.  Your correct though...registration fraud does not necessarily mean election fraud.  Nonetheless, its inappropriate, particularly when ACORN is given $ based on #s they generate.

I do not defend any republicans who engaged in voter fraud.  If that occured, they are just as guilty.

ACORN does receive federal funding through 3rd parties.  We can and should restrict agencies receiving federal funds from passing these funds along to ACORN.

[garebear]

I just can't believe that IFBB Wannabe has not gone apeshit on this thread yet. What is the world coming to?

You are most definitely slipping, my friend.

[shootfighter1]

This is a quote from the news story with house minority leader John Boehner where he urged the gov to block federal funds to ACORN because of a clear record of voter registration fraud.

Boehner's office had determined that ACORN had received more than $31 million in direct federal funding since 1998. He said the group had likely received far more indirectly through federal block grants to states and localities. "Immediate action is necessary to ensure that no additional tax dollars are directed to ACORN while it is under investigation," he wrote Bush

[Brixtonbulldog]

More

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2006/09/democratic-voter-fraud-real-picture-of.html

[Brixtonbulldog]

That's b/c ACORN is not an elitest group. 

And, let's face it, the american right has its shit together organization-wise.  When they steal an election, like they did in 2004 and 2000, they use nonsense like the ACORN case to create an issue where none exists, then they fix the 'problem' with wholesale voter roll scrubbing.

That's pretty smart.  Have a veneer of legitimacy with a complaint of vote fraud and go for the jugular with wholesale election fraud by scrubbing all related voter rolls thereby disenfranchising thousands and thousands of democratic voters.

Like I said, that's fairly clever.

So not only do you deny widespread attempts by the Democrats to commit massive voter fraud but you actually believe the eeeevil GOP is guilty beyond what few and isolated instances are reported by the mainstream media?!?!

I suppose you consider yourself objective.  Tell me, are you another who thinks Obama can do no wrong?

[jimijimi]

Repubs suddenly give a shit about voter fraud.  It was okay in 2000 and 2004 though.

I wonder if these same folks were just as upset when Ohio refused to allow a recount of the paper ballots to ensure the correct person won Ohio

Now it's the Dem. turn, i bet that makes you happy right? it only took $800.000 dollars for the obama party
to do so.

[Al Doggity]

Al, there is widespread registration fraud.  You must admit this.  Its reported everywhere now, its not disputable.  Your correct though...registration fraud does not necessarily mean election fraud.  Nonetheless, its inappropriate, particularly when ACORN is given $ based on #s they generate.

I do not defend any republicans who engaged in voter fraud.  If that occured, they are just as guilty.

ACORN does receive federal funding through 3rd parties.  We can and should restrict agencies receiving federal funds from passing these funds along to ACORN.

No, it is not reported everywhere. The article posted says there were only about 10,000  registrations that could be considered fraudulent out of 1.3 million. The employees were fired and the registrations were flagged.

The only places that report widespread  fraud are Right wing blogs.

From today's NY Times:

Voting rights advocates say the Republicans’ accusations of fraud (even though party operatives themselves face possible charges of fraud, most notably in California) are part of a deliberate strategy to create confusion among voters, to galvanize the conservative base and to set the table for possible legal challenges of voters at the polls and of the election results.

And more importantly:

Voting rights advocates say that there is no correlation between fraudulent registrations and fraudulent voting and that past elections have shown little evidence of actual voter fraud. While it does occur, they say, it is hardly rampant.

[Brixtonbulldog]

No, it is not reported everywhere. The article posted says there were only about 10,000  registrations that could be considered fraudulent out of 1.3 million. The employees were fired and the registrations were flagged.

The only places that report widespread  fraud are Right wing blogs.

From today's NY Times:

And more importantly:

Funny how those "voting rights activists groups" are always ultra left nut bags.

[Decker]

So not only do you deny widespread attempts by the Democrats to commit massive voter fraud but you actually believe the eeeevil GOP is guilty beyond what few and isolated instances are reported by the mainstream media?!?!

ACORN is required by law to submit ALL NEWLY REGISTERED VOTERS.  At what point does it dawn on you that that requirement sort of defeats the premise of widespread conspiratorial voter registration fraud?

Let me know.

I suppose you consider yourself objective.  Tell me, are you another who thinks Obama can do no wrong?

Nobody is objective.  I try to be even-handed.  I got nothing to gain if ACORN is or is not gulty of the allegations.  My one vote counts for shit. 

I don't bullshit myself to see a conspiracy where none exists.

Obama was not my first choice.  When you phrase the question as "do no wrong" that's not helping matters.  Only the lunatics on the right portray Obama as a Christ-like figure.

Do you deny that Obama is engendering enthusiasm and hope in many of the US citizens?

[headhuntersix]

Only the right...are u fucking kidding me....its the ding bat left that has halo's around him, its the deluded media that takes photo's of him like some messianic figure. Its his campaign that sets him up in Nurenmberg like raliies.

[Brixtonbulldog]

ACORN is required by law to submit ALL NEWLY REGISTERED VOTERS.  At what point does it dawn on you that that requirement sort of defeats the premise of widespread conspiratorial voter registration fraud?

Let me know.
Nobody is objective.  I try to be even-handed.  I got nothing to gain if ACORN is or is not gulty of the allegations.  My one vote counts for shit. 

I don't bullshit myself to see a conspiracy where none exists.

Obama was not my first choice.  When you phrase the question as "do no wrong" that's not helping matters.  Only the lunatics on the right portray Obama as a Christ-like figure.

Do you deny that Obama is engendering enthusiasm and hope in many of the US citizens?

Yes, because ACORN wouldn't try to get away with breaking the rules or manipulating the system if it could, right?

Even if only 10,000 voters are fraudulent.. don't you see something wrong with that picture?

Obama is engineering hope for everyone who has finally realized the flaw of a gov't this close to true democracy and now they are about to "vote" themselves prosperity from those who have actually earned it.  Obama is a socialist, you are a socialist, so yes, he is hope for you and your agenda.