people who say such things as panda ...are ussually people who :
never competed
never built any significant mass
never dieted down
no cycle expirience
don't understand genetics/lifting/hormones
people who say such things as seva ...are usually people who are stupid.
seva you did respond to gear, your strength went throught the roof - and bodyweight increased - but it looks mostly bloat, perhaps if you increased your protein levels from a bar of chocolate and bowl of soup you would have grown more
- you can only blame yourself, not genetics - if you didnlt respond to gear your strength wouldn;t have went up, nor your weight.
seva im 5'11" and in that pic i'm around 290 (WITHOUT EVET TOUCHING GEAR) - trust me i have built a significan amount of mass, i'm not ripped by any means , in fact i have never been below 8-10%. However even after a year of no lifting after torn rotators i blow you away.
i respect people who do get ripped, i know how hard it is to be dedicated enough in your diet, workouts, cardio etc I gave dc a hard time about diet, but i understand where he is coming from, sometimes the cheesecake calls
i have used gear, and am still tinkering and experimenting with various compounds - anavar at 50mg a day just now.
i have tried plenty of others too, dbol, winny, primo, equi, dnp, t3, clen, and i will be testing how i respond to test and deca very shortly.
I have already found what works in the gym, lifting wise, and nutritionally what is needed to grow, and get ripped while keeping muscle.
soon i will be finished with my experiments and see exactly how big and ripped i can become.
however it is very very clear to me from my experience with what i have tired already, i will grow and grow easily. i do not want to reach pro level size, but i will certainly reach a level i am happy with, and know that if a chose it i could achieve hat level of mass.
i understand how it's easy to blame genetics for a lack of discepline, but be under no illusions - it is your/my own lack of discepine or fake gear or poor workouts, or poor nutrition thats the problem.