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« Reply #50 on: October 26, 2008, 07:51:15 PM »
Went to PubMed and found that most of the peer reviewed articles had no concrete problems with aspartame. The only 'bad' studies were with knockout mice and talking about Leptin or substance Y.

For the general population, Aspartame represents no risk. That being said, there's too much incidental information and bad personal experiences for it to be in my diet.

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« Reply #51 on: October 26, 2008, 07:56:23 PM »

# What causes obesity?

Experts have concluded that the chief causes of obesity are a sedentary lifestyle and overconsumption of high-calorie food (4):

    * Sedentary lifestyle—Researchers have found a strong correlation between lack of physical activity and obesity (4, 5).


    * Diet—A diet high in calories and/or fat appears to be an important factor in obesity (6).

# What have scientists learned about the relationship between obesity and cancer?

In 2001, experts concluded that cancers of the colon, breast (postmenopausal), endometrium (the lining of the uterus), kidney, and esophagus are associated with obesity. Some studies have also reported links between obesity and cancers of the gallbladder, ovaries, and pancreas (4).

Obesity and physical inactivity may account for 25 to 30 percent of several major cancers—colon, breast (postmenopausal), endometrial, kidney, and cancer of the esophagus (4).

Preventing weight gain can reduce the risk of many cancers. Experts recommend that people establish habits of healthy eating and physical activity early in life to prevent overweight and obesity. Those who are already overweight or obese are advised to avoid additional weight gain, and to lose weight through a low-calorie diet and exercise. Even a weight loss of only 5 to 10 percent of total weight can provide health benefits (4).
# How many people get cancer by being overweight or obese? How many die?

In 2002, about 41,000 new cases of cancer in the United States were estimated to be due to obesity. This means that about 3.2 percent of all new cancers are linked to obesity (7).

A recent report estimated that, in the United States, 14 percent of deaths from cancer in men and 20 percent of deaths in women were due to overweight and obesity (8).
# Does obesity increase the risk of breast cancer?

The effect of obesity on breast cancer risk depends on a woman’s menopausal status. Before menopause, obese women have a lower risk of developing breast cancer than do women of a healthy weight (4, 9, 10, 11, 12). However, after menopause, obese women have 1.5 times the risk of women of a healthy weight (9, 10, 13, 14).

Obese women are also at increased risk of dying from breast cancer after menopause compared with lean women (4, 11, 15, 16). Scientists estimate that about 11,000 to 18,000 deaths per year from breast cancer in U.S. women over age 50 might be avoided if women could maintain a BMI under 25 throughout their adult lives (16).

Obesity seems to increase the risk of breast cancer only among postmenopausal women who do not use menopausal hormones. Among women who use menopausal hormones, there is no significant difference in breast cancer risk between obese women and women of a healthy weight (4, 9, 11, 17).

Both the increased risk of developing breast cancer and dying from it after menopause are believed to be due to increased levels of estrogen in obese women (18). Before menopause, the ovaries are the primary source of estrogen. However, estrogen is also produced in fat tissue and, after menopause, when the ovaries stop producing hormones, fat tissue becomes the most important estrogen source (14). Estrogen levels in postmenopausal women are 50 to 100 percent higher among heavy versus lean women (11). Estrogen-sensitive tissues are therefore exposed to more estrogen stimulation in heavy women, leading to a more rapid growth of estrogen-responsive breast tumors.

Another factor related to the higher breast cancer death rates in obese women is that breast cancer is more likely to be detected at a later stage in obese women than in lean women. This is because the detection of a breast tumor is more difficult in obese versus lean women (12).

Studies of obesity and breast cancer in minority women in the United States have been limited. There is some evidence that, among African American women, the risk associated with obesity may be absent or less than that of other populations (19, 20, 21). However, a recent report showed that African American women who have a high BMI are more likely to have an advanced stage of breast cancer at diagnosis (22). Another report showed that obese Hispanic white women were twice as likely to develop breast cancer as non-obese Hispanics, but the researchers did not detect a difference in risk for obese Hispanic women before and after menopause (23).

Weight gain during adulthood has been found to be the most consistent and strongest predictor of breast cancer risk in studies in which it has been examined (4, 10, 11, 24).

The distribution of body fat may also affect breast cancer risk. Women with a large amount of abdominal fat have a greater breast cancer risk than those whose fat is distributed over the hips, buttocks, and lower extremities (13, 25, 26). Results from studies on the effect of abdominal fat are much less consistent than studies on weight gain or BMI.
# Does obesity increase the risk of cancer of the uterus?

Obesity has been consistently associated with uterine (endometrial) cancer. Obese women have two to four times greater risk of developing the disease than do women of a healthy weight, regardless of menopausal status (4, 27, 28, 29, 30). Increased risk has also been demonstrated among overweight women (28, 30). Obesity has been estimated to account for about 40 percent of endometrial cancer cases in affluent societies (31).

It is unclear why obesity is a risk factor for endometrial cancer; however, it has been suggested that lifetime exposure to hormones and high levels of estrogen and insulin in obese women may be contributing factors (4, 27, 28, 29, 32).
# Does obesity increase the risk of colon cancer?

Colon cancer occurs more frequently in people who are obese than in those of a healthy weight (4, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37). An increased risk of colon cancer has been consistently reported for men with high BMIs (34, 37, 38). The relationship between BMI and risk in women, however, has been found to be weaker (4, 34, 38) or absent (39).

Unlike for breast and endometrial cancer, estrogen appears to be protective for colon cancer for women overall (40). However, obesity and estrogen status also interact in influencing colon cancer risk. Women with a high BMI who are either premenopausal or postmenopausal and taking estrogens have an increased risk of colon cancer similar to that found for men with a high BMI. In contrast, women with a high BMI who are postmenopausal and not taking estrogens do not have an increased risk of colon cancer (41).

There is some evidence that abdominal obesity may be more important in colon cancer risk (37, 38). In men, a high BMI tends to be associated with abdominal fat. In women, fat is more likely to be distributed in the hips, thighs, and buttocks. Thus, two measures of abdominal fat, waist-to-hip ratio or waist circumference, may be better predictors of colon cancer risk. Few studies have yet compared waist-to-hip ratios to colon cancer risk in women, however. One study that did find an increased risk of colon cancer among women with high waist-to-hip ratios found that the association was present only among inactive women, suggesting that high levels of physical activity may counteract the effects of increased abdominal fat (42).

A number of mechanisms have been proposed for the adverse effect of obesity on colon cancer risk. One of the major hypotheses is that high levels of insulin or insulin-related growth factors in obese people may promote tumor development (4, 43, 44).
# Does obesity increase the risk of kidney cancer?

Studies have consistently found a link between a type of kidney cancer (renal cell carcinoma) and obesity in women (4, 30, 45, 46, 47, 48), with some studies finding risk among obese women to be two to four times the risk of women of a healthy weight.

Results of studies including men have been more variable, ranging from an association similar to that seen in women (30, 46, 49), to a weak association (48, 50, 51), to no association at all (45). A meta-analysis (where several studies are combined into a single report), which found an equal association of risk among men and women, estimated the kidney cancer risk to be 36 percent higher for an overweight person and 84 percent higher for an obese person compared to those with a healthy weight (52).

The mechanisms by which obesity may increase renal cell cancer risk are not well understood. An increased exposure to sex steroids, estrogen and androgen, is one possible mechanism (4).
# Does obesity increase the risk of cancer of the esophagus or stomach?

Overweight and obese individuals are two times more likely than healthy weight people to develop a type of esophageal cancer called esophageal adenocarcinoma (4, 53, 54, 55, 56). A smaller increase in risk has been found for gastric cardia cancer, a type of stomach cancer that begins in the area of the stomach next to the esophagus (54, 55, 56, 57). Most studies have not observed increases in risk with obesity in another type of esophageal cancer, squamous cell cancer. An increased risk of esophageal adenocarcinoma has also been associated with weight gain, smoking, and being younger than age 59 (54, 57).

The mechanisms by which obesity increases risk of adenocarcinoma of the esophagus and gastric cardia are not well understood. One of the leading mechanisms proposed has been that increases in gastric reflux due to obesity may increase risk. However, in the few studies that have examined this issue, risk associated with BMI was similar for those with and without gastric reflux (56).
# Does obesity increase the risk of prostate cancer?

Of the more than 35 studies on prostate cancer risk, most conclude that there is no association with obesity (4, 44, 58, 59, 60). Some report that obese men are at higher risk than men of healthy weight, particularly for more aggressive tumors (61, 62, 63). One study found an increased risk among men with high waist-to-hip ratios, suggesting that abdominal fat may be a more appropriate measure of body size in relation to prostate cancer (64).

Studies examining BMI and prostate cancer mortality have had conflicting results (8, 65, 66).

Despite the lack of association between obesity and prostate cancer incidence, a number of studies have examined potential biological factors that are related to obesity, such as insulin-related growth factors, leptin, and other hormones. Results of these studies are inconsistent, but generally, risk has been linked to men with higher levels of leptin (67), insulin (68), and IGF–1 (insulin-like growth factor-1) (69).
# Is there any evidence that obesity is linked to cancer of the gallbladder, ovaries, or pancreas?

An increased risk of gallbladder cancer has been found to be associated with obesity, particularly among women (70, 71, 72). This may be due to the higher frequency of gallstones in obese individuals, as gallstones are considered a strong risk factor for gallbladder cancer. However, there is not enough evidence to draw firm conclusions.

It is unclear whether obesity affects ovarian cancer risk. Some studies report an increased risk among obese women (73, 74, 75), whereas others have found no association (76, 77). A recent report found an increased risk in women who were overweight or obese in adolescence or young adulthood; no increased risk was found in older obese women (78).

Studies evaluating the relationship between obesity and pancreatic cancer have been inconsistent (79, 80, 81, 82). One recent study found that obesity increases the risk of pancreatic cancer only among those who are not physically active (80). A recent meta-analysis reported that obese people may have a 19 percent higher risk of pancreatic cancer than those with a healthy BMI. The results, however, were not conclusive (83).

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Re: I cant drink soft drinks anymore
« Reply #52 on: October 26, 2008, 07:57:45 PM »
TA would you rather consume artificial sweeteners than sugar?

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« Reply #53 on: October 26, 2008, 08:02:45 PM »
TA would you rather consume artificial sweeteners than sugar?
i would. splenda tastes much better than sugar if you use equal amounts. its sweetness absoutely kills sugar.

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Re: I cant drink soft drinks anymore
« Reply #54 on: October 26, 2008, 08:03:51 PM »
TA would you rather consume artificial sweeteners than sugar?
Depends on two things:

My calorie amount and the type of food.

I will NEVER drink regular soda as it is pointless and a waste of calories.  I drink a lot of diet sodas and if I drink 6-12 a day, I certainly would not want to waste the calories drinking regular.  I will stick with zero version.

When I cook, I NEVER use artificial sweeteners as they do not bake well or taste as good.  The quality is just not there and it can throw off the taste of something completely.  Also, they do not bake well at all.  I NEVER use them in cooking.


Now if I am eating something that doesn`t really require cooking, such as a grapefruit, I will use a little splenda as it is not necessary to have sugar in that instance.  I figure I will save the calories.

Now, If I am not watching my calories, It really does not matter which I will use.

I will NEVER waste calories on regular soda though.  That is just silly.

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« Reply #55 on: October 26, 2008, 08:04:31 PM »
i would. splenda tastes much better than sugar if you use equal amounts. its sweetness absoutely kills sugar.
Horrible for cooking. I would NEVER use it when making a recipe of anything.

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« Reply #56 on: October 26, 2008, 08:05:02 PM »
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Biol Psychiatry. 1994 Aug 1;36(3):206-7.
Adverse reactions to aspartame: double-blind challenge in patients from a vulnerable population.

Walton RG, Hudak R, Green-Waite RJ.
Department of Psychiatry, Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine, Youngstown.
This study was designed to ascertain whether individuals with mood disorders are particularly vulnerable to adverse effects of aspartame. Although the protocol required the recruitment of 40 patients with unipolar depression and a similar number of individuals without a psychiatric history, the project was halted by the Institutional Review Board after a total of 13 individuals had completed the study because of the severity of reactions within the group of patients with a history of depression. In a crossover design, subjects received aspartame 30 mg/kg/day or placebo for 7 days. Despite the small n, there was a significant difference between aspartame and placebo in number and severity of symptoms for patients with a history of depression, whereas for individuals without such a history there was not. We conclude that individuals with mood disorders are particularly sensitive to this artificial sweetener and its use in this population should be discouraged.

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« Reply #57 on: October 26, 2008, 08:05:19 PM »
Horrible for cooking. I would NEVER use it when making a recipe of anything.
never tried cooking with it, just using a whole shit load of it on oatmeal. i also used it on popcorn once before too and that was hellla good.

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« Reply #58 on: October 26, 2008, 08:08:48 PM »
iol Psychiatry. 1993 Jul 1-15;34(1-2):13-7. Links
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Biol Psychiatry. 1994 Aug 1;36(3):206-7.
Adverse reactions to aspartame: double-blind challenge in patients from a vulnerable population.

Walton RG, Hudak R, Green-Waite RJ.
Department of Psychiatry, Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine, Youngstown.
This study was designed to ascertain whether individuals with mood disorders are particularly vulnerable to adverse effects of aspartame. Although the protocol required the recruitment of 40 patients with unipolar depression and a similar number of individuals without a psychiatric history, the project was halted by the Institutional Review Board after a total of 13 individuals had completed the study because of the severity of reactions within the group of patients with a history of depression. In a crossover design, subjects received aspartame 30 mg/kg/day or placebo for 7 days. Despite the small n, there was a significant difference between aspartame and placebo in number and severity of symptoms for patients with a history of depression, whereas for individuals without such a history there was not. We conclude that individuals with mood disorders are particularly sensitive to this artificial sweetener and its use in this population should be discouraged.

FDA's Acceptable Daily Intake (ADI) of aspartame is 50 mg per kilogram of body weight or about 3,750 mg (21 cans of diet soda) for an adult weighing 75 kilograms (165 lb). ADI is the amount of substance (e.g., food additive) like aspartame that can be consumed daily over a lifetime without appreciable health risk to a person on the basis of all the known facts at the time of the evaluation.

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« Reply #59 on: October 26, 2008, 08:12:00 PM »
For reference.
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/AspartameQandA
From The National Cancer Institute:

Aspartame and Cancer: Questions and Answers


   
Key Points

   

    * A study of about half a million people, published in 2006, compared people who drank aspartame-containing beverages with those who did not. Results of the study showed that increasing levels of consumption were not associated with any risk of lymphomas, leukemias, or brain cancers in men or women. (Question 2)
    * Researchers examined the relationship between aspartame intake and 1,888 lymphomas or leukemias and 315 malignant brain cancers among the participants of the NIH-AARP Diet and Health Study from 1995 until 2000. Development of these cancers was not associated with estimated aspartame consumption, refuting a recent animal study with positive findings for lymphomas and leukemias and also contradicting claims regarding brain cancer risk. (Questions 3 and 8)


   

1. Why was an aspartame study initiated?

Researchers* from the National Cancer Institute (NCI) initiated this research because an earlier study showed that female rats fed the artificial sweetener aspartame developed more lymphomas and leukemias than rats that received no aspartame in their feed (Soffritti et al. 2005; Soffritti et al. 2006). The risk of cancer in that study grew with the increased amount of aspartame given to the rats. Some of the dosages may have been relevant to human intake (as low as 20 milligrams per kilogram of body weight, which would be equivalent to a 165- pound person consuming about eight cans of diet soda).

Other questions regarding the safety of aspartame were raised by a 1996 report (Olney et al. 1996) suggesting that an increase in the number of people with brain tumors between 1975 and 1992 might be associated with the introduction and use of this sweetener in the United States. However, this report was later criticized by the scientific community for committing "ecological fallacy" (Ross 1998). Ecological fallacy refers to making a wrong conclusion about cause and effect in one person based on collection of data from a group of people; i.e., relating two things that happen at the same time, such as aspartame use and an increase in the number of brain cancer cases seen in a population, without examining whether individuals who consume aspartame also develop brain cancer.

2. What did the researchers find in this current study?
Researchers examined the consumption of aspartame-containing beverages among the participants of the NIH-AARP Diet and Health Study and reported that, in a comparison of people who drank aspartame-containing beverages with those who did not, increasing levels of consumption were not associated with an increased risk of lymphomas, leukemias, or brain cancers in men or women.

An increase in cancer risk was not found for the main subtypes of lymphoid cancers (Hodgkin lymphoma, non-Hodgkin lymphoma, and multiple myeloma), non-Hodgkin lymphoma subtypes (including small lymphocytic lymphoma and chronic lymphocytic leukemia, immunoblastic lymphoma and lymphoblastic lymphoma/leukemia), or non-lymphoid leukemias.

3. How was the study done?
NCI researchers examined data from the NIH-AARP Diet and Health Study to investigate questions about aspartame and risk for lymphoma, leukemia, and brain cancers. The NIH-AARP Diet and Health Study is an observational study where people provide information on a questionnaire about their recent intake of various foods and then are followed up for subsequent development of cancer. Specifically, about half a million AARP members (285,079 men and 188,905 women) who were 50 to 71 years old and living in eight study areas across the U.S. were given a questionnaire in 1995 and 1996. The participants were followed until the end of 2000 by linkage of their records with cancer registries that track the occurrence of new cancers.

The questionnaire inquired about consumption frequency and diet drink-type preference for three potentially aspartame-containing beverages (soda, fruit drinks, and iced tea), as well as aspartame added to coffee and hot tea. The researchers then computed daily consumption of aspartame, taking into account aspartame content, portion size, and consumption frequency of each beverage. The estimated aspartame intake was next compared with the occurrence of 1,888 lymphomas or leukemias and 315 malignant brain cancers to see if there was any correlation between intake and cancer.

4. What is the significance of the current study?

As the largest study of diet and cancer to date in the U.S., the NIH-AARP Diet and Health Study allowed researchers to examine even relatively rare cancers and their subtypes. The information on people's food consumption was collected at the beginning of the study and before anyone was diagnosed with cancer. This particular study design makes the findings more reliable because it reduces the chance that cancer patients remember their beverage consumption differently or report any changes after diagnosis.

Although this is how epidemiologic studies typically determine the relationship between diet and diseases, aspartame estimated this way may or may not reflect lifetime consumption. Also, most diet beverage consumers in the study drank moderate amounts of aspartame, ranging from none to 3400 mg daily -- and on average 200 mg daily -- which is a little over a can of diet soda. While this moderate consumption is reflective of the average consumption in the U.S., these findings limit any conclusions about cancer risk in people who consume very high amounts of aspartame.

5. Does the general population drink as much diet soda as the study participants?
The participants of the NIH-AARP Diet and Health Study were recruited from six states and two metropolitan areas around the U.S. that have highly reliable cancer registry data. Thus, the study participants are a good sample of older adults in the U.S. The study questionnaire included questions to identify consumers of diet beverages and aspartame users for coffee and hot tea, which is information rarely available in most large population studies. The average aspartame consumption among diet beverage consumers in the study was about 200 mg per day, which is similar to a survey of U.S. consumers done by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

6. Were there differences in the relationship between aspartame and cancer by racial group, ethnicity, age, or gender?
Researchers examined the relationship between aspartame and lymphoma, leukemia, and malignant brain cancers by different races and age groups and also in men and women separately, and found no difference from the overall finding. However, it should be noted that the study included older adults who were mostly whites.

7. Do animal studies of aspartame show the same results as human studies?
The NIH-AARP study findings match those of previous animal studies by the FDA and coincide with the conclusion of an earlier study on childhood brain cancers (Gurney et al. 1997).

Shortly before this most recent study of aspartame and cancer was published, the European Food Safety Authority reviewed the recent animal data and urged caution when interpreting results (The European Food Safety Authority 2006): "The increased incidence of lymphomas/leukemias reported in treated rats was unrelated to aspartame, given the high background incidence of chronic inflammatory changes in the lungs and the lack of a positive dose-response relationship."

8. What are some facts about aspartame?

    * Aspartame, distributed under several trade names (e.g., NutraSweet® and Equal®), was approved in 1981 by the FDA after numerous tests showed that it did not cause cancer or other adverse effects in laboratory animals (Council on Scientific Affairs 1985; Flamm 1997; Koestner 1997).
    * In the NIH-AARP Diet and Health Study, aspartame consumption ranged from 0 to 3400 mg per day (about 19 cans of soda at the high end; however, the upper limit is not absolute because investigators asked multiple-choice questions on frequency and the highest option was "6-plus times a day"). There are 180 mg of aspartame in a 12 ounce can of diet soda.
    * The highest aspartame category in the NIH-AARP Diet and Health Study was "600 mg and above per day," or about three or more cans of diet soda; researchers also examined higher categories (more than 1200 mg per day or 2000 mg per day, which is equivalent to approximately seven to 11 cans of soft drinks daily) with fewer people and found similar results of no elevated risk.
    * FDA's Acceptable Daily Intake (ADI) of aspartame is 50 mg per kilogram of body weight or about 3,750 mg (21 cans of diet soda) for an adult weighing 75 kilograms (165 lb). ADI is the amount of substance (e.g., food additive) like aspartame that can be consumed daily over a lifetime without appreciable health risk to a person on the basis of all the known facts at the time of the evaluation.
    * The average aspartame consumption among diet beverage consumers in the NIH-AARP Diet and Health Study was 200 mg per day, or about 7 percent of the ADI, which is the same as a survey of U.S. consumers done by the FDA.
    * An animal study that fed 0, 4, 20, 100, 500, 2500, and 5000 mg per kilogram of body weight of aspartame to rats saw lymphoma/leukemia increase in female rats, starting from about twice the risk with 20 mg per kilogram of body weight (a person weighing 75 kilograms or 165 lbs, consuming 1500 mg aspartame, or about 8 cans of diet soda) compared with a control group that was not fed aspartame.


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For more information about cancer, please visit the NCI Web site at http://www.cancer.gov or call NCI's Cancer Information Service at 1-800-4-CANCER (1-800-422-6237).

More information about aspartame can be found in the FDA Statement on Aspartame, which is available at http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~lrd/tpaspart.html. Information about the National Institutes of Health (NIH)-AARP Diet and Health Study can be found at http://dietandhealth.cancer.gov/.

* Lim U., Subar A.F., Mouw T., Hartge P., Morton L.M., Stolzenberg-Solomon R., Campbell D., Hollenbeck A.R., & Schatzkin A. Consumption of aspartame-containing beverages and incidence of hematopoietic and brain malignancies. Cancer Epidemiol. Biomarkers Prev. 2006. Vol. 15.

References

Council on Scientific Affairs (1985) Aspartame. Review of safety issues. JAMA 254, 400-402.

Flamm W.G. (1997) "Increasing brain tumor rates: is there a link to aspartame?" J. Neuropathol. Exp. Neurol. 56, 105-106.

Gurney J.G., Pogoda J.M., Holly E.A., Hecht S.S., & Preston-Martin S. (1997) Aspartame consumption in relation to childhood brain tumor risk: results from a case-control study. J. Natl. Cancer Inst. 89, 1072-1074.

Koestner A. (1997) "Increasing brain tumor rates: is there a link to aspartame?" J. Neuropathol. Exp. Neurol. 56, 107-109.

Olney J.W., Farber N.B., Spitznagel E., & Robins L.N. (1996) Increasing brain tumor rates: is there a link to aspartame? J. Neuropathol. Exp. Neurol. 55, 1115-1123.

Ross J.A. (1998) Brain tumors and artificial sweeteners? A lesson on not getting soured on epidemiology. Medical and Pediatric Oncology 30, 7-8.

Soffritti M., Belpoggi F., Esposti D.D., & Lambertini L. (2005) Aspartame induces lymphomas and leukaemias in rats. Eur J Oncology 10, 107-116.

Soffritti M., Belpoggi F., Esposti D.D., Lambertini L., Tibaldi E., & Rigano A. (2006) First experimental demonstration of the multipotential carcinogenic effects of aspartame administered in the feed to sprague-dawley rats. Environ. Health Perspect. 114, 379-385.

The European Food Safety Authority (2006) Opinion of the Scientific Panel AFC related to a new long-term carcinogenicity study on aspartame. The EFSA Journal 356, 1-44.

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Re: I cant drink soft drinks anymore
« Reply #60 on: October 26, 2008, 09:04:24 PM »
Depends on two things:

My calorie amount and the type of food.

I will NEVER drink regular soda as it is pointless and a waste of calories.  I drink a lot of diet sodas and if I drink 6-12 a day, I certainly would not want to waste the calories drinking regular.  I will stick with zero version.

When I cook, I NEVER use artificial sweeteners as they do not bake well or taste as good.  The quality is just not there and it can throw off the taste of something completely.  Also, they do not bake well at all.  I NEVER use them in cooking.


Now if I am eating something that doesn`t really require cooking, such as a grapefruit, I will use a little splenda as it is not necessary to have sugar in that instance.  I figure I will save the calories.

Now, If I am not watching my calories, It really does not matter which I will use.

I will NEVER waste calories on regular soda though.  That is just silly.
"Why not use real sugar?" - CarolineGresh April 29, 2007 on juicycop2's use of splenda on kiwi and strawberry..... Yes i never forget a quote  :)

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« Reply #61 on: October 26, 2008, 09:25:38 PM »
"Why not use real sugar?" - CarolineGresh April 29, 2007 on juicycop2's use of splenda on kiwi and strawberry..... Yes i never forget a quote  :)
See Above :)


Now if I am eating something that doesn`t really require cooking, such as a grapefruit, I will use a little splenda as it is not necessary to have sugar in that instance.  I figure I will save the calories.

Now, If I am not watching my calories, It really does not matter which I will use.


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« Reply #62 on: October 26, 2008, 09:27:54 PM »
See Above :)


Now if I am eating something that doesn`t really require cooking, such as a grapefruit, I will use a little splenda as it is not necessary to have sugar in that instance.  I figure I will save the calories.

Now, If I am not watching my calories, It really does not matter which I will use.


Dooble.... What are your thoughts on the meeps moops and mumbles?

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« Reply #63 on: October 26, 2008, 09:29:19 PM »
Dooble.... What are your thoughts on the meeps moops and mumbles?
I had an epiphany tonight.  I am tired of Dooble Pt 2 and will now be on Instant Messenger. hhahhah

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« Reply #64 on: October 26, 2008, 09:32:16 PM »
I had an epiphany tonight.  I am tired of Dooble Pt 2 and will now be on Instant Messenger. hhahhah

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« Reply #65 on: October 26, 2008, 09:54:46 PM »
soda even diet soda is probably the number one thing making americans fat.
sorry but that's the stupidest thing I have ever heard   :-\
it's like saying water makes you fat  ???

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« Reply #66 on: October 26, 2008, 11:39:53 PM »
soda even diet soda is probably the number one thing making americans fat.

COMPLETE BS. youre welcome.

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Re: I cant drink soft drinks anymore
« Reply #67 on: October 27, 2008, 12:22:52 AM »
there has to be a catch. diet soda is shit too, full of artificial mystery crap. just drink water, you fat shits ;D

diet soda just makes the porkers feel better, kinda like 'ultra light' cigarettes and weight watchers diet chocolate fudge ice cream bars. haha if you want to eat healthy, eat natural foods. if you are weak and just want to tell yourself your doing good, grab the diet soda instead of the regular soda. haha no different than saying 'i dont need to run/work out/exercise, ill just 'power walk' holding 2 pound pink dumbells to the end of the street, call it a day, and tell myself i did good' hahahahahhahahahahahahah hahahahahahaahahah

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Re: I cant drink soft drinks anymore
« Reply #68 on: October 27, 2008, 08:04:01 AM »
HOW can you drink this shit? Cola, dr. pepper, its like sugar water. Soft drinks HAVE to be the top 3 worst junk ever.

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Re: I cant drink soft drinks anymore
« Reply #69 on: October 27, 2008, 08:06:26 AM »
there has to be a catch. diet soda is shit too, full of artificial mystery crap. just drink water, you fat shits ;D

diet soda just makes the porkers feel better, kinda like 'ultra light' cigarettes and weight watchers diet chocolate fudge ice cream bars. haha if you want to eat healthy, eat natural foods. if you are weak and just want to tell yourself your doing good, grab the diet soda instead of the regular soda. haha no different than saying 'i dont need to run/work out/exercise, ill just 'power walk' holding 2 pound pink dumbells to the end of the street, call it a day, and tell myself i did good' hahahahahhahahahahahahah hahahahahahaahahah
desperate attempt to correct what you fucked up on....diet soda ..makes you fat...I'll remember that chief  ::)

and who are you calling FAT  >:(

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Re: I cant drink soft drinks anymore
« Reply #70 on: October 27, 2008, 08:15:46 AM »
I switched over to milk, green tea, and an occasional gatorade.
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Re: I cant drink soft drinks anymore
« Reply #71 on: October 27, 2008, 08:37:27 AM »
there has to be a catch. diet soda is shit too, full of artificial mystery crap. just drink water, you fat shits ;D

diet soda just makes the porkers feel better, kinda like 'ultra light' cigarettes and weight watchers diet chocolate fudge ice cream bars. haha if you want to eat healthy, eat natural foods. if you are weak and just want to tell yourself your doing good, grab the diet soda instead of the regular soda. haha no different than saying 'i dont need to run/work out/exercise, ill just 'power walk' holding 2 pound pink dumbells to the end of the street, call it a day, and tell myself i did good' hahahahahhahahahahahahah hahahahahahaahahah

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Re: I cant drink soft drinks anymore
« Reply #73 on: October 28, 2008, 06:08:39 AM »
Depends on two things:

My calorie amount and the type of food.

I will NEVER drink regular soda as it is pointless and a waste of calories.  I drink a lot of diet sodas and if I drink 6-12 a day, I certainly would not want to waste the calories drinking regular.  I will stick with zero version.

When I cook, I NEVER use artificial sweeteners as they do not bake well or taste as good.  The quality is just not there and it can throw off the taste of something completely.  Also, they do not bake well at all.  I NEVER use them in cooking.


Now if I am eating something that doesn`t really require cooking, such as a grapefruit, I will use a little splenda as it is not necessary to have sugar in that instance.  I figure I will save the calories.

Now, If I am not watching my calories, It really does not matter which I will use.

I will NEVER waste calories on regular soda though.  That is just silly.

yea, wouldnt wanna waste those calories, they are hard to come by.  ::)

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Re: I cant drink soft drinks anymore
« Reply #74 on: October 28, 2008, 06:23:02 AM »
yea, wouldnt wanna waste those calories, they are hard to come by.  ::)

I think what he means is that instead of drinking sticky, sugary, horrible tasting sodas, he could just as well eat a delicious meal or drink a glass of fine wine. The former would be a waste of part of the daily calories he can consume on a certain rate of weight change.