FREDERICK TÖBEN - Australian to be extridited to Germany for 'holocaust denial'

[Cromespyder]

also, a very large portion of the zionist movement are actually christians...  It's more of a supporting role but it's a strong role and one with a big agenda.

yes,ike john hagee for example, have you ever watched one of his sermons?

'we must protect israel the bible tells us to or we will cease to exict'

'imagine a nuclear bomb in sanfran, detroit, new york, we must stop iran or we will die, he wants to wipe israel and us off the map, we must protect israel'

'hezbollah, hamas, we must stop them, we must protect israel'

israel is ALL the fucking guy talks about, he just constantly beats the AIPAC/zionist agenda into his followers heads through fearmongering and distortion of the bible.

he's a member of AIPAC.

nuff' said.

[Fury]

I don't hate Jews moron and you're the first person to call me out today that I do   If you didn't notice, I'm the one who came in and attempted to shut down hate speech...  Zionism isn't a race buddy, get yourself a clue... To say that one cannot have issue with a movement/ideology because Jews are associated with that movement IS racist, it's a superiority stance and it makes those who approach it as such dead ass wrong.

Where did I call or insinuate that Zionism is a race? Calm down short stuff, you're getting a little heated and slinging mud.

You've done your share of Jew bashing, gotten called out on it, and then changed your stance to "Oh, I only mean Zionists."

Meanwhile, you attack others for racism and bigotry. Hilarious and hypocritical. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

I realize that every thread I read regarding how jews are bad and jews this has absolutely no substantiated claims or facts. It's nothing. And it usually gets knocked down by someone with an IQ over 40.

[Hugo Chavez]

yes,ike john hagee for example, have you ever watched one of his sermons?

'we must protect israel the bible tells us to or we will cease to exict'

'imagine a nuclear bomb in sanfran, detroit, new york, we must stop iran or we will die, he wants to wipe israel and us off the map, we must protect israel'

'hezbollah, hamas, we must stop them, we must protect israel'

israel is ALL the fucking guy talks about, he just constantly beats the AIPAC/zionist agenda into his followers heads.

he's a member of AIPAC.

nuff' said.

yea, in large it's a strong position of Evangelicals.

This is a good read giving some history behind why:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=86884.0

[Hugo Chavez]

Where did I call or insinuate that Zionism is a race? Calm down short stuff, you're getting a little heated and slinging mud.

You've done your share of Jew bashing, gotten called out on it, and then changed your stance to "Oh, I only mean Zionists."

Meanwhile, you attack others for racism and bigotry. Hilarious and hypocritical. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

I realize that every thread I read regarding how jews are bad and jews this has absolutely no substantiated claims or facts. It's nothing. And it usually gets knocked down by someone with an IQ over 40.

quotes please...

[Nordic Superman]

1) obviously you dont even know what a zionist is. yes all im referring to is zionist jews, 100%.
2) i don't think zionism is responsible for all the world ills.  im not a knowitall, but i do know its clear that you know nothing about zionism, the power/influence they yield or the things they are responsible for.  facts, not conspiracy theories, are widely available for you to research.  you're a typical product of mainstream media and schooling.


hope this helps!

I'm aware of what Zionism is and who its perpetrators are. I suggest you quit with the pretentious bullshit before you embarrass yourself.

I'm also aware of what negative impacts it has and how much of the media is Jewish owned in the US. Rather than chalk it up to Zionism (which undoubtedly some of it is) I'm more of the opinion that Jews have been outperforming pretty much every demographic (in relative terms) for much of recorded history.

Keep on the ad hominem trail mate, makes you look really educated and impartial to mainstream media with obvious Zionistic overtones.

The guy corrected himself and clarified his position, does it really do any good to call him a liar?  Why not just take is word for it?  I thought you were a racist and in the end through your clarifications I took your word for it that you're not.

How about you become less impartial and less naive? I have to call it how I see it, and that's how it is. Sure... I'm now of the persuasion he's maybe not totally anti-Semitism, but never the less, his language before you clarified what is right and wrong shows a different story.

[IFBBwannaB]

Great moderating ...if it said Black or Obama instead of Jew...ohh...Zionists , you would have banned the person that posted it....now we know what you think don't we?

[liberalismo]

This is bullshit for one reason and one reason only...

NOT because the holocaust didn't happen, because it did, and the conventional numbers are right.


NOT because the Jews are taking over the world and want to punish people for disagreeing, because they aren't.


BUT because people should have the right to freely express WHATEVER opinion they have, regardless of its veracity. Denying the holocaust is an ignorant thing to do, but trying to punish people for doing so is even more ignorant. How else can people recgonize that these opinions are out there and how else can they learn how much B.S. they are if they are constantly silenced? To silence an opinion is to say that not only there is no truth at all to this opinion, but also absolutely nothing can be gained from this opinion being expressed. While there is obviously no truth to the opinion of holocaust denial, plenty can be gained from it being expressed by those who believe it including learning how to refute it.

[JOHN MATRIX]

Of course you're only referring to Zionists

Your blanket reference to Zionists as "Jews" is your problem, if you weren't privileged enough to fully grasp the English language then I can understand that.

My parents are two Norwegian hippies, I have spent my life in a country with a socialist party in power. Get off the know-it-all-juice, think outside your anti-Semitism and the belief Jews/Zionism are responsible for all the world's ills.

brutal irony considering your feelings towards all muslims

[JOHN MATRIX]

the modern orthodox Holocaust details have been set in stone as holy scripture and any researcher daring to dispute certain aspects are blasphemous heretics who will be smeared and prosecuted.

name one other HISTORICAL EVENT in which a researcher will be PROSECUTED for bringing forth possible alternative points.

NAME ONE

[Hugo Chavez]

Great moderating ...if it said Black or Obama instead of Jew...ohh...Zionists , you would have banned the person that posted it....now we know what you think don't we?

I'm trying my best.  If you don't like what I do, you're free to run down and bitch in the complaints forum... that's what it is there for.  I didn't like how Jews were being lumped here and I voiced that and it was received and corrected. not sure what more you could want from a mod standpoint but if you feel I suck, go start a thread...

[qiniz]

let's not forget staunchly anti-immigrant jorg haider of austria recently assassinated by mossad.

cmon man, comments like these make you look like a dumbass...

where are you even from?

[IFBBwannaB]

I'm trying my best.  If you don't like what I do, you're free to run down and bitch in the complaints forum... that's what it is there for.  I didn't like how Jews were being lumped here and I voiced that and it was received and corrected. not sure what more you could want from a mod standpoint but if you feel I suck, go start a thread...

After seeing all your posts walking blindly after a man who is receiving millions of dollars in fraudlent donations, I doubt that talking to your common sense and dignity will help 

[tu_holmes]

After seeing all your posts walking blindly after a man who is receiving millions of dollars in fraudlent donations, I doubt that talking to your common sense and dignity will help 

Fraudulent donations... haha... like it's with counterfeit money.

[Hugo Chavez]

After seeing all your posts walking blindly after a man who is receiving millions of dollars in fraudlent donations, I doubt that talking to your common sense and dignity will help 

wait, are you asking for threads critical of Zionism to be deleted?  Are you unhappy with my vocal opposition to lumping all Jews into the same category?  what do you want from me, let's get this out in the open.  Do you think I inappropriately handled this and exactly what would you have rather seen happen?

[Hugo Chavez]

I am actually offended by the fraud accusation... I know a lot of people including myself who have given these small donations to Obama.  We fill out our information when doing so...  It's really offensive to everyone who gave their hard earned money to have you clowns say it's fraud.

[IFBBwannaB]

I am actually offended by the fraud accusation... I know a lot of people including myself who have given these small donations to Obama.  We fill out our information when doing so...  It's really offensive to everyone who gave their hard earned money to have you clowns say it's fraud.

I guess that you donated 100$ X 10000 times with the name sdoisjkdok sdoisjdoj from asodijoi in the state of soidjasod...that was you ? 

[qiniz]

I guess that you donated 100$ X 10000 times with the name sdoisjkdok sdoisjdoj from asodijoi in the state of soidjasod...that was you ? 

great response

you=dumbass

Why dont you answer him?

[IFBBwannaB]

great response

you=dumbass

Why dont you answer him?

Who's gimmick are you?

And to his question, for him to just let it slide that such racist views are stated here with such hate is ridicules, he justify it by them claiming they only meant Zionists as if that is less racist.

If someone will make racist comments about black or Hispanic  people it will get deleted at once, and even if they rectify it and say they just meant they hate all interracial then it will be ok 

Funny thing is that they don't even know what a Zionist mean, I'm sure you don't too.

[qiniz]

Who's gimmick are you?

And to his question, for him to just let it slide that such racist views are stated here with such hate is ridicules, he justify it by them claiming they only meant Zionists as if that is less racist.

If someone will make racist comments about black or Hispanic  people it will get deleted at once, and even if they rectify it and say they just meant they hate all interracial then it will be ok 

Funny thing is that they don't even know what a Zionist mean, I'm sure you don't too.

Why would you say im someone's gimmick? I could say im nobody's gimmick, but in the state GB is in, it wouldnt have much effect.

As regard your question: Zionism is an international political movement that originally supported the reestablishment of a homeland for the Jewish People in Palestine (Hebrew: Eretz Yisra'el, “the Land of Israel”), and continues primarily as support for the modern state of Israel.[1] (thx to wikipedia)

Im pretty sure everybody here knows this, or does your translation differ?

btw i know my grammatical skills arent quite on par with the mayority here, but youll have to excuse me since English is not my native tongue 

[IFBBwannaB]

Why would you say im someone's gimmick? I could say im nobody's gimmick, but in the state GB is in, it wouldnt have much effect.

As regard your question: Zionism is an international political movement that originally supported the reestablishment of a homeland for the Jewish People in Palestine (Hebrew: Eretz Yisra'el, “the Land of Israel”), and continues primarily as support for the modern state of Israel.[1] (thx to wikipedia)

Im pretty sure everybody here knows this, or does your translation differ?

btw i know my grammatical skills arent quite on par with the mayority here, but youll have to excuse me since English is not my native tongue 

Wiki is somewhat close, and you made my point.

So comments on Zionism are just as saying all Israelis (and others) are this or that. Sounds like racism to me.....

Not to mention stupid....Zionists rule the world...it's just someone feeling inferior to successful people...sad...truly sad.

[Cromespyder]

I'm aware of what Zionism is and who its perpetrators are. I suggest you quit with the pretentious bullshit before you embarrass yourself.

I'm also aware of what negative impacts it has and how much of the media is Jewish owned in the US. Rather than chalk it up to Zionism (which undoubtedly some of it is) I'm more of the opinion that Jews have been outperforming pretty much every demographic (in relative terms) for much of recorded history.

Keep on the ad hominem trail mate, makes you look really educated and impartial to mainstream media with obvious Zionistic overtones.

i don't like writing long posts.  you said 'of course you're only reffering to zionists ' - from what i was writing, yeah it's clear that's who im talking about if you know what 'zionism' is.  understand? i dont know what else you expected me to think. . . i wasn't being 'pretentious'.

ill just talk about the US.
'outperforming' is fine.  things like - controlling the info that gets to people/shaping public opinion, holding our politicians hostage to their agenda(which is far removed from the best interests of the US). for starters, is not fine.

we have alot of very powerful lobbies in the US, oil, drug companies, healthcare etc.  but you will hear successful politicians criticize these lobbies often.
will you ever hear a succesful politician criticize AIPAC, or go against voting the AIPAC line? never, just look at how politicians must kiss their ass. . .

hope this helps!

[Cromespyder]

yea, in large it's a strong position of Evangelicals.

This is a good read giving some history behind why:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=86884.0

good stuff hugo, thx for the link.
i read one of the articles in there before, im checking out the rest now. .

[Hugo Chavez]

I guess that you donated 100$ X 10000 times with the name sdoisjkdok sdoisjdoj from asodijoi in the state of soidjasod...that was you ? 

WTF are you babbling about and why don't you answer my other question above?  Please do, I want to know where I fucked up in your opinion and so others may also judge my work as mod.  You leveled the accusation, let's hear it all out in fairness for everyone to see.  I'm open to criticism.

[IFBBwannaB]

WTF are you babbling about and why don't you answer my other question above?  Please do, I want to know where I fucked up in your opinion and so others may also judge my work as mod.  You leveled the accusation, let's hear it all out in fairness for everyone to see.  I'm open to criticism.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=242883.0

This is what I talked about in regards to the donations, the subject you and other Obama supporters ignored.

[Nordic Superman]

i don't like writing long posts.  you said 'of course you're only reffering to zionists ' - from what i was writing, yeah it's clear that's who im talking about if you know what 'zionism' is.  understand? i dont know what else you expected me to think. . . i wasn't being 'pretentious'.

ill just talk about the US.
'outperforming' is fine.  things like - controlling the info that gets to people/shaping public opinion, holding our politicians hostage to their agenda(which is far removed from the best interests of the US). for starters, is not fine.

we have alot of very powerful lobbies in the US, oil, drug companies, healthcare etc.  but you will hear successful politicians criticize these lobbies often.
will you ever hear a succesful politician criticize AIPAC, or go against voting the AIPAC line? never, just look at how politicians must kiss their ass. . .

hope this helps!

Like I said, Jews have substantial lobbying power due to their performance as a demographic. Do you think they should be barred from political lobbying?