Finasteride for hair loss.

[DIVISION]

Anyone had success with it and if so, please describe your experiences!





DIV

[Rimbaud]

DIV, suck it up & shave it bald...I did...

[DIVISION]

DIV, suck it up & shave it bald...I did...

I'm not THAT bad, just notice some thining.

I want to stop the process.   



DIV

[Rimbaud]

I'm not THAT bad, just notice some thining.

I want to stop the process.   



DIV

I really don't need to but I started doing it this summer (because of my surgeries) & I love it. I'm bringin' sexy back. 

[DIVISION]

I really don't need to but I started doing it this summer (because of my surgeries) & I love it. I'm bringin' sexy back. 

I shaved my head when I was in the military.....

It's a different time now.

Women prefer the hair.

..........and I prefer the hair on them too (bush).   



DIV

[Rimbaud]

I shaved my head when I was in the military.....

It's a different time now.

Women prefer the hair.

..........and I prefer the hair on them too (bush).   



DIV

I initially shaved it with a razor to freak my wife out (didn't work). Now she doesn't care one way or the other. However, she was a little pissed that I shaved the goatee off.

Back on topic for a second. I've known a couple guys who've used it & seemed happy with the results.

Note to Self: Steal DIV a goth check with retro bush.

[DIVISION]

I initially shaved it with a razor to freak my wife out (didn't work). Now she doesn't care one way or the other. However, she was a little pissed that I shaved the goatee off.

Back on topic for a second. I've known a couple guys who've used it & seemed happy with the results.

Note to Self: Steal DIV a goth check with retro bush.

Remember, she has to be naturally pale.........no clown makeup.

Thick ass..........which is hard to find on white women.

Good luck.   
 


DIV

[Big_Tymer]

my hairline receded years before i ever used any aas.  since ive done test only cycles and used 1mg ED finasteride and nizoral shampoo and my hairline hasnt gotten any worse.  never had a problem w/ the crown of my head

[theworm]

yeah, i did extensive research on this and seems like the way to go is low test only cycles plus finasteride... like 500mg a week x 14 weeks with 1mg finasteride daily...

[www.BrinkZone.com]

Anyone had success with it and if so, please describe your experiences!

DIV

From the article Hair Today Gone Tomorrow: The Sequel!

Proscar 1997 Comments:

"...Proscar is a very specific inhibitor of the enzyme (5AR) that converts androgens into DHT. Its official use is for prostate enlargement which is also related to DHT levels (among other things). It was felt originally that Proscar would not be effective for hair loss because it only inhibits the enzyme found in the prostate and not in the hair follicle.

Well again, nothing is cut and dry in the human body, and Proscar has been found to reduce the amount of DHT in circulation which reduces the amount of DHT the follicle has to deal with and thus less hair is lost. Several recent studies have shown Proscar is effective for hair loss and can help regrow some hair on some people, but as I said before, the use of 5AR inhibitors only deals with a part of the problem and are generally not very effective when used as the only treatment."

2005 comments:

At the time I wrote the above, Proscar (finasteride) came in 5mg pills and was approved for benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) only. Because studies found 1mg almost as effective as 5mg for lowring DHT, I recommended people split the 5mg tabs into 4, which gave you 1.25mg. Of course the producer of finasteride (Merck) saw the marketing potential for treating MPB, and finasteride was packed in 1mg pills and sold as Propecia.

There is of course no difference between Proscar and Propecia except the dose, so people in the know still buy Proscar and divide it into 4 pieces to save money. I would still recommend Finasteride for MPB, but it is far from the miracle drug for MPB people hoped it would be when it came out. Side effects such as gyno, reductions in libido, and others also appears to be higher in the real world then the studies claimed. Finally, finasteride does appear to work topically (contrary to what Merck claims) which will greatly reduce systemic side effects. However, topical is generally less effective then oral treatment.

Lots other treatments for MPB covered in the article if you wanna know what works and what does not:

http://www.brinkzone.com/articledetails.php?acatid=3&aid=13

[DIVISION]

From the article Hair Today Gone Tomorrow: The Sequel!

Proscar 1997 Comments:

"...Proscar is a very specific inhibitor of the enzyme (5AR) that converts androgens into DHT. Its official use is for prostate enlargement which is also related to DHT levels (among other things). It was felt originally that Proscar would not be effective for hair loss because it only inhibits the enzyme found in the prostate and not in the hair follicle.

Well again, nothing is cut and dry in the human body, and Proscar has been found to reduce the amount of DHT in circulation which reduces the amount of DHT the follicle has to deal with and thus less hair is lost. Several recent studies have shown Proscar is effective for hair loss and can help regrow some hair on some people, but as I said before, the use of 5AR inhibitors only deals with a part of the problem and are generally not very effective when used as the only treatment."

2005 comments:

At the time I wrote the above, Proscar (finasteride) came in 5mg pills and was approved for benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) only. Because studies found 1mg almost as effective as 5mg for lowring DHT, I recommended people split the 5mg tabs into 4, which gave you 1.25mg. Of course the producer of finasteride (Merck) saw the marketing potential for treating MPB, and finasteride was packed in 1mg pills and sold as Propecia.

There is of course no difference between Proscar and Propecia except the dose, so people in the know still buy Proscar and divide it into 4 pieces to save money. I would still recommend Finasteride for MPB, but it is far from the miracle drug for MPB people hoped it would be when it came out. Side effects such as gyno, reductions in libido, and others also appears to be higher in the real world then the studies claimed. Finally, finasteride does appear to work topically (contrary to what Merck claims) which will greatly reduce systemic side effects. However, topical is generally less effective then oral treatment.

Lots other treatments for MPB covered in the article if you wanna know what works and what does not:

http://www.brinkzone.com/articledetails.php?acatid=3&aid=13

Thanks William.



DIV

[tolliscd]

Been on propecia for 4 going 5 years now. After about one month on it completley stopped all hair loss. It dosnt re-grow hair but will put a halt to where you are now. SOme notice a lil increase in hair. My wasnt bad but i never wanted it to get that way so i started. DAMN sure glad i did. I still rock my fade military style but at least i have the hair if i wanted to be a double for Sly stallone! 
EVEN after countless cycles (which i have not done  ) it doesnt affect my hairline!!

[George Mcfly]

I hear duta is the way to go. Not FDA approved yet for hairloss but its only a matter of time.  Supposed to block both forms of DHT as opposed to fina and be much more effective. sold under brand name Avodart.

[Big_Tymer]

I hear duta is the way to go. Not FDA approved yet for hairloss but its only a matter of time.  Supposed to block both forms of DHT as opposed to fina and be much more effective. sold under brand name Avodart.

everything i have read regarding duasteride is that there are far more negative side effects associated with it than there is with finasteride.

much higher chance of gyno, libido loss etc.

[DIVISION]

everything i have read regarding duasteride is that there are far more negative side effects associated with it than there is with finasteride.

much higher chance of gyno, libido loss etc.

Dutasteride can inhibit both types of 5-alpha reductase (5AR), an enzyme that is commonly believed to responsible for the conversion of testosterone to 5 alpha-dihydrotestosterone (DHT).

It does reduce both forms of DHT, but it sounds like it interferes with the anabolic processes in the body as well.   



DIV

[www.BrinkZone.com]

everything i have read regarding duasteride is that there are far more negative side effects associated with it than there is with finasteride.

much higher chance of gyno, libido loss etc.

Yup. Side effects covered in the article I posted.

[George Mcfly]

Dutasteride can inhibit both types of 5-alpha reductase (5AR), an enzyme that is commonly believed to responsible for the conversion of testosterone to 5 alpha-dihydrotestosterone (DHT).

It does reduce both forms of DHT, but it sounds like it interferes with the anabolic processes in the body as well.   



DIV

"Dutasteride is a 5-alpha-reductase inhibitor, meaning it blocks the action of the 5a-reducatse enzymes, that are responsible for 5a-reducing (converting) testosterone into dihydrotestosterone (DHT) by the addition of a double hydrogen bond. Dutasteride inhibits both isoforms of 5a-reductase, therefore preventing the conversion of testosterone into dihydrotestosterone. This makes Dutasteride a reasonable treatment for Male Pattern Baldness (2). Of course, when you convert less Testosterone into Dihydrotestosterone, you increase testosterone levels by default (less conversion). Dutasteride, at 2.5mgs/day is roughly 1.5x more effective than Finasteride at 5mgs/day, at treating hair loss (both halting it as well as regrowing it). In addition, Dutasteride can be used successfully at that same dose to treat prostate enlargement (3), and a lesser known effect of Dutasteride (again, at that same dose) use is to treat Acne (4) caused by an overabundance of androgens in the body. For the steroid using athlete suffering from DHT-related side effects, Dutasteride may be the answer. Hairloss, Acne, and prostate growth can all (potentially) be completely halted with the use of this product. Unfortunately, DHT is not all bad, and you potentially lose some muscle hardness (an amorphous quality if ever there is one), and even some of the other qualities we like from our androgen use.

Also…since this only prevents the 5a-reduction of the androgens subject to that conversion into a dihydro form of them…it will likely do nothing to stop hairloss or other symptoms caused entirely by the use of the androgens in the DHT family." 

[George Mcfly]

everything i have read regarding duasteride is that there are far more negative side effects associated with it than there is with finasteride.

much higher chance of gyno, libido loss etc.

My understanding is that less conversion to DHT= more test which theoretically can lead to more aromitization. However the rise in test from using duta is still considered within normal range.
see following link:  http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-remedy/avodart/phase_2_results.cfm
so i doubt it would be a prob for anyone who doesnt already have elevated test levels to begin with. For the rest of us there's always AIs.

[DIVISION]

Unfortunately, DHT is not all bad, and you potentially lose some muscle hardness (an amorphous quality if ever there is one), and even some of the other qualities we like from our androgen use.

Also…since this only prevents the 5a-reduction of the androgens subject to that conversion into a dihydro form of them…it will likely do nothing to stop hairloss or other symptoms caused entirely by the use of the androgens in the DHT family." 

Muscle hardness is hardly a concern, because I lift for strength.

I just don't want to experience gyno or libido issues......

So basically, Dutasteride will only prevent the conversion to DHT for those anabolics which convert, but won't have any effect from other forms of anabolics?



DIV

[Big_Tymer]

The drug dutasteride (Avodart) blocks conversion through both enzymes. You would assume that this would work better than finasteride since it would eliminate all DHT, but this is not the case. DHT is a potent anti-estrogen and eliminating all DHT in the body can cause symptoms of gynecomastia, lack of libido and strength and other unwanted side effects. It seems that finasteride is a better choice since it leaves you with some DHT systematically, while dutasteride leaves you with virtually none.

finasteride is the way to go imo.  you can also add nizoral shampoo to help out some.

[Big_Tymer]

it is said 1mg finasteride blocks 65% dht in your body.  that is for a natural male, i want to know how much it would block if you were using 1gram of test a week.  anyone?

[DIVISION]

it is said 1mg finasteride blocks 65% dht in your body.  that is for a natural male, i want to know how much it would block if you were using 1gram of test a week.  anyone?

I turned to the Darkside years ago, BIG TIME.

I'm not sure finasteride would be as effective for me as dutasteride.

Enhanced lifters need enhanced protection.



DIV

[Nacho]

Anyone had success with it and if so, please describe your experiences!





DIV

Finasteride def. works for me.  Anything that is a high androgen makes my hair fall out.  I personally am using .50 mg ed.  And it seems to make my hair look a lil thicker too.  Not sure on the other sides cause I take .25 mgs eod of arimidex.

Just my experience.

[tolliscd]

even on a gram a week. one milligram will stop all hair loss (propecia) DIV,
Insurance doesnt cover it cuz its considered cosmetic.  Doesnt seem to prohibit any gains in my training either. I dont fenture far from Test/Tren anyhow.

[www.BrinkZone.com]

I'm not THAT bad, just notice some thining.

I want to stop the process.   



DIV

And I gave you a link to what  works and what does not to "stop the process," beyond just 5ar inhibitors. So, they will help, but alone, nothing special to be honest. Multi angle attack is what gets the most impressive results.

Good luck.