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For the Christians who are opposed to Obama, if he wins...?
« on: October 28, 2008, 10:33:27 PM »
Will you pray for him?, will you respect and esteem him?  Will you pray that God gives him good judgement?
Will you pray for his protection?  Will you pray for his immediate and extended family?

Or will you dog and mock him from day one?  If you do, then will you prayerfully consider this:
Romans 13

Submission to the Authorities
 1Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. 4For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. 6This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. 7Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

1 Peter 2:13-17 (New International Version)

Submission to Rulers and Masters

 13Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every authority instituted among men: whether to the king, as the supreme authority, 14or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. 15For it is God's will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish men. 16Live as free men, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as servants of God. 17Show proper respect to everyone: Love the brotherhood of believers, fear God, honor the king.

Granted, this is a representative republic, not a monarchy, but I think the principle is the same.

As much as I've disagreed with the policies of George W. Bush, the Word tells me that he IS God's servant for this time, whether I like it or not.  He therefore is entitled to a certain level of respect AND honor.  I have often prayed for him in earnest.  My church has prayed for him (and I attend a Black Church) - particularly at the start of the war - not for what we want him to do, but that he will be used of God for purposes only God knows in is sovereign will.

If McCain wins, I'll will definately pray for him and wish him AND Palin well, and that God would use them to heal this land.

What about you others?  Will you do the same?  If not, then you may want to ask yourselves indeed how near is the Cross to you.

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Re: For the Christians who are opposed to Obama, if he wins...?
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2008, 02:16:57 AM »
I would pray for Obama....
unfortunately, I don't pray...
nor believe in Christianity....
so...nope ;) ;D

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Re: For the Christians who are opposed to Obama, if he wins...?
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2008, 05:56:43 AM »
I think they're all going to leave the country before the Forced Late Term Abortion Act (FTLAA) is passed and pregnant women start getting kidnapped.

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Re: For the Christians who are opposed to Obama, if he wins...?
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2008, 06:01:31 AM »
Yeah my prayer would go something like this.


Dear Lord

Please dont let Obama's anti american, anti white, and terrorist friends influence his decisions to much

Amen

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Re: For the Christians who are opposed to Obama, if he wins...?
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2008, 06:02:45 AM »
I think they're all going to leave the country before the Forced Late Term Abortion Act (FTLAA) is passed and pregnant women start getting kidnapped.

I think they're all going to leave the country before the Forced Late Term Abortion Act (FTLAA) is passed and pregnant women start getting kidnapped.

But if they do that, ...whatever will Obama eat? ???
pssst, You know he eats babies don't you?  :o
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Re: For the Christians who are opposed to Obama, if he wins...?
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2008, 07:23:12 AM »
I would pray for Obama....
unfortunately, I don't pray...
nor believe in Christianity....
so...nope ;) ;D

lol!!  That's why I qualified it in the subject.  I do not expect those who are non-christian to subject
themselves to christian teachings and/or values.

For those who do choose to live under such a standard, it's a question for them to ponder.
It's easy to respect and support those whom you like, but the Bible asks what good is that?  Anyone
can do that.  But Christians are often called to higher standards than the rest of the world.

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Re: For the Christians who are opposed to Obama, if he wins...?
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2008, 12:19:43 AM »
can you respect and support non-believers? what does your Bible say?

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Re: For the Christians who are opposed to Obama, if he wins...?
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2008, 08:07:10 AM »
can you respect and support non-believers? what does your Bible say?


As for supporting unbelievers, those quotes I had spoke for ALL leaders - the bulk
of them I would think at that time were unbelievers since Christianity was a relatively new
religion at the time of the writings.  The Scriptures do not say that God only establishes
Christian authorities.  It does say that if an authority is established, God established it.

It also does not say to honor and respect only Christian leaders, but all leaders.

Of course this should not matter to us since Obama says he's a Christian, so this shouldn't
bother you right?  In the end, only God knows who is truly his and who is not. 
The Bible even says we are not to judge non-believers, and that that is for God to do alone - 1 Corinth 5:12.

But you still haven't answered my question.  You have a right to oppose Obama as it is your right in this election
process.  But IF he wins, would you do what is prescribed in the passages above?

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Re: For the Christians who are opposed to Obama, if he wins...?
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2008, 08:19:24 AM »
I have answered your question.
I shall not do what is prescribed in the passage because I do not believe in Christianity...nor any other religion for that matter. I am not a strict atheist either as atheism, in its belief that there is no supreme being (God), is highly questionable on the grounds of the lack of uniform definition of the underlying conception (that of "God"), which is the same reason that makes any form of religion highly questionable as well.

P.S. I don't have any right in this election as I am not a US citizen.

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Re: For the Christians who are opposed to Obama, if he wins...?
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2008, 08:46:23 AM »
I have answered your question.
I shall not do what is prescribed in the passage because I do not believe in Christianity...nor any other religion for that matter. I am not a strict atheist either as atheism, in its belief that there is no supreme being (God), is highly questionable on the grounds of the lack of uniform definition of the underlying conception (that of "God"), which is the same reason that makes any form of religion highly questionable as well.

P.S. I don't have any right in this election as I am not a US citizen.


You are correct sir.  I missed your earlier post.  Sorry.
I hope then I answered at least in part your question on supporting and respecting non believers.  They may be in power, and we still a mandate to respect them.  In fact, it could be said that we have more an obligation to respect them as a true witness - that by our example, they may be
pursuaded to inquire more about what we're really about. 

I can't speak for all Christians, but I would say for me, it is important to support those who most effectively advance God's agenda, or who is more effective at what they do.  If I had a choice between a Christian doctor, who wasn't the greatest at what they did, vs. a Hindu/athiest/whatever, who happened to be the best in the field, I'd go to the latter 100% of the time.  Being a Christian does not necessarily mean that you are the most competent or best at the job.  It could though.  I would think a Christian would want to be the best in order to be an example.  The same would be in politics.  I have no doubt George W. Bush meant well and is a true Christian - meaning he has accepted Jesus as his Saviour and Lord, but his wisdom and judgement I have serious problems with.  The same goes for Gov. Palin.  I do not question her faith, but I think her inexperience on global issues, as well as the negative campaigning she's done is not best suited for the office, nor does it promote what is best about our faith.  Having said that, if she does become VP or even Pres., I'd probably pray for her even harder.

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Re: For the Christians who are opposed to Obama, if he wins...?
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2008, 09:39:42 AM »
Will you pray for him?  Will you pray that God gives him good judgement?
Will you pray for his protection?  Will you pray for his immediate and extended family?



Yes.  I already pray for him and his family.

will you respect and esteem him? 

I should qualify that although I don't respect or agree w/some of his ideas I do respect that he is a human being and I don't wish harm on him.


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Re: For the Christians who are opposed to Obama, if he wins...?
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2008, 10:00:14 AM »
Thanks for your input.  Would you see him though as "God's Servant"?

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Re: For the Christians who are opposed to Obama, if he wins...?
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2008, 11:01:37 AM »
Thanks for your input.  Would you see him though as "God's Servant"?
Depending on the definition, I believe we all are to some degree.

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Re: For the Christians who are opposed to Obama, if he wins...?
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2008, 11:05:32 AM »
Depending on the definition, I believe we all are to some degree.


Well specifically as defined in the Romans 13 verses.

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Re: For the Christians who are opposed to Obama, if he wins...?
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2008, 03:07:32 PM »
Yes!  I will pray for a President Obama, just as I do our existing president, or if John McCain were to get the nod.  I posted this on another thread some time ago: 

I'll back him because he's my president and we're all in this together.  I might criticize him, but that's my right.  I don't know that I'll take it to the level that I've seen on this site and elsewhere (outright pathetic, imo).  I can't lie to you and say that I won't pray even more than I do now each day.   ;)  But nonetheless, we're in this together as Americans, right?   

Don't want to be a punk coward like Tim Robbins or Alec Baldwin.