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Re: How Low Can It Go?
« Reply #25 on: October 31, 2008, 05:01:01 PM »


Yeah and we dont take care of our own citizens... Nice country

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Re: How Low Can It Go?
« Reply #26 on: October 31, 2008, 05:06:47 PM »
Biden saying Tax relief that HE definds it as 150... its obvious he had a "McCain Senior Moment" and

Democratic Debate saying anyone over 97k is not middle class... Thats a Individual, and i dont think making 97k is "Middle class"  a individual making 97k is def not in the "middle" it is in the to 10% for sure... just because he said that doesnt mean he doesnt think they deserve a tax cut which they would get under an obama plan

You really really are digging..

Has McCain said 1 TIME he wants the middle class to get a tax cut? NOPE!! wants to keep them the same Bush tax cuts that benefit the top 5%....

I am yet to see 1 republican on here come with 1 intelligent debate... you loose this one once again



If you're going to question someone's intelligence you might want to put a few coherent sentences together.   :)

What I've done is provide a clip of words used by Obama and Biden.  What you've done is put your own spin those words, e.g., Biden had a "senior moment."  lol . . .

What that clip shows is that Obama will lower the tax increase threshold, or he will approve tax increases on people/business making less than $200K.  I'm not even sure he knows where he stands on taxes and what it means to be "middle class" or "upper class."  He's all over the place.  

McCain said he doesn't want to raise anyone's taxes and wants to reduce everyone's taxes.  The "middle class" is included in "everyone."  That's what government is supposed to do (cut everyone's burden).  

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Re: How Low Can It Go?
« Reply #27 on: October 31, 2008, 05:13:38 PM »
Obama wouldn't allow certain prominent newspapers on his plane after the elections, but made room for Jet and essence Magazine...........Eat it!!!!!!


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Re: How Low Can It Go?
« Reply #28 on: October 31, 2008, 05:41:59 PM »
He was joking. 
no he wasn't ::)  He may have said he was but he wasn't...

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Re: How Low Can It Go?
« Reply #29 on: October 31, 2008, 05:45:46 PM »
Sort of like Obama's and Biden's everchanging definition of the middle class, upper class, and "the rich."  All one big joke. 
It didn't change his plan, so what is your point?  It has no value whatsoever to the plan.

You know what's funny, the airwaves are full of advertisments asking people to LOOK at Obama's plan... On the McCain side, there is no such plea for people to look at his plan, he just makes fun of Obama's plan... What is McCain's plan, pretty much a continuation of Bush's...  nice... no wonder he's not asking people to look and spending all his time negative toward Obama ::)

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Re: How Low Can It Go?
« Reply #30 on: October 31, 2008, 05:51:40 PM »
McCain really knows what middle class is marrying a woman for her money and being worth 100 million...

McCain has ran the lowest campaign in US history...


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Re: How Low Can It Go?
« Reply #31 on: October 31, 2008, 06:00:03 PM »
no he wasn't ::)  He may have said he was but he wasn't...

Yes he was.   ::)

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Re: How Low Can It Go?
« Reply #32 on: October 31, 2008, 06:02:48 PM »
Yes he was.   ::)
figures this is the post you wanted to reply to...

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Re: How Low Can It Go?
« Reply #33 on: October 31, 2008, 06:03:45 PM »
It didn't change his plan, so what is your point?  It has no value whatsoever to the plan.

You know what's funny, the airwaves are full of advertisments asking people to LOOK at Obama's plan... On the McCain side, there is no such plea for people to look at his plan, he just makes fun of Obama's plan... What is McCain's plan, pretty much a continuation of Bush's...  nice... no wonder he's not asking people to look and spending all his time negative toward Obama ::)

I already said what my point was:

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What that clip shows is that Obama will lower the tax increase threshold, or he will approve tax increases on people/business making less than $200K.  I'm not even sure he knows where he stands on taxes and what it means to be "middle class" or "upper class."  He's all over the place. 

McCain said he doesn't want to raise anyone's taxes and wants to reduce everyone's taxes.  The "middle class" is included in "everyone."  That's what government is supposed to do (cut everyone's burden). 


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Re: How Low Can It Go?
« Reply #34 on: October 31, 2008, 06:07:00 PM »
I already said what my point was:

yea, and you're wrong, enjoy.

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Re: How Low Can It Go?
« Reply #35 on: October 31, 2008, 06:55:13 PM »
always spell check when responding to Bum or he will call you on it.so be carefull.
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Re: How Low Can It Go?
« Reply #36 on: October 31, 2008, 07:02:39 PM »
always spell check when responding to Bum or he will call you on it.so be carefull.

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250,000 - 200,000 and now down to 150,000
« Reply #37 on: November 01, 2008, 02:50:21 AM »
This man will end up taxing everybody like ive said from the very begininng...what say you, you obama supporters?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79319

Posted: October 28, 2008
2:42 pm Eastern


By Drew Zahn
© 2008 WorldNetDaily


A new video advertisement released by the Obama campaign says the candidate's promised tax cuts are for citizens making less than $200,000 a year, not the widely reported figure of $250,000.

Adding to the confusion, Obama's running mate, Joe Biden, said in an interview yesterday the cuts are for even fewer people, limited to incomes of $150,000 or less.

Depending on the source of information, just who will have their taxes raised and who will have them cut under Obama's plan varies.

The campaign's homepage, for example, accessed today, reads, "Obama said he wanted to give a tax break to all families making under $250,000 per year, which he said was 95 percent of American workers."

Yet in the "Defining Moment" ad released on YouTube last week and viewable below, Obama says the tax cut "for 95 percent of working Americans" is only for those who make less than $200,000 per year.

According to the 2006 IRS statistics published by the National Taxpayers Union, "95 percent of working Americans" only includes those making less than $153,542 per year.

And now, Fox News reports Biden told a Scranton, Pa., TV station yesterday that Obama's tax break "should go to middle class people – people making under $150,000 a year."

At a rally in Pennsylvania, CBS News reports, McCain took the opportunity to blast Obama as a candidate with more and more taxes on his mind.

"Sen. Obama has made a lot of promises," McCain said. "First he said people making less than $250,000 would benefit from his plan, then this weekend he announced in an ad that if you're a family making less than $200,000 you'll benefit – but yesterday, right here in Pennsylvania, Sen. Biden said tax relief should only go to 'middle class people – people making under $150,000 a year.' You getting an idea of what's on their mind?"

(Story continues below)

     


"I'll launch a rescue plan for the middle class that begins with a tax cut for 95 percent of working Americans," Obama says in the "Defining Moment" advertisement. "If you have a job, pay taxes and make less than $200,000 a year, you'll get a tax cut."

The full "Defining Moment" advertisement can be seen below:



The disparity in the numbers has Republican campaigners riled.

The Obama campaign media site, The Record, quotes Tucker Bounds, spokesman for McCain-Palin saying, "By adjusting his tax increases to include anyone making more than $200,000, Barack Obama has reversed himself and issued a shifty new call for at least 1 million more hardworking Americans to be added to his plans for higher taxes."

The Record immediately rebutted Bounds, insisting Obama's plan has always included a tax hike on Americans making more than $250,000, but the tax cut is only for those making less than $200,000.

The site then quotes Obama at the Oct. 7 presidential debate: "If you make less than a quarter of a million dollars a year, you will not see a single dime of your taxes go up. If you make $200,000 a year or less, your taxes will go down."

Biden's comments yesterday, however, have heated up criticism again.

"You getting an idea of what's on their mind, huh? A little sneak peak," McCain said, according to Fox News. "It's interesting how their definition of rich has a way of creeping down. At this rate, it won't be long before Senator Obama is right back to his vote that Americans making just $42,000 a year should get a tax increase."

Obama campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor did not directly address Biden's comments, but he released a statement about McCain's criticism.

"The McCain campaign's attacks are getting more desperate by the hour," Vietor said. "Obama and Biden have always said, under their plan no family making less than $250,000 will see their taxes increase one cent. And if your family makes less than $200,000 – as 95 percent of workers and their families do – you'll get a tax cut."


 


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Re: 250,000 - 200,000 and now down to 150,000
« Reply #38 on: November 01, 2008, 09:11:36 AM »
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Re: 250,000 - 200,000 and now down to 150,000
« Reply #39 on: November 01, 2008, 09:22:54 AM »
This man will end up taxing everybody like ive said from the very begininng...what say you, you obama supporters?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79319

Posted: October 28, 2008
2:42 pm Eastern


By Drew Zahn
© 2008 WorldNetDaily


A new video advertisement released by the Obama campaign says the candidate's promised tax cuts are for citizens making less than $200,000 a year, not the widely reported figure of $250,000.

Adding to the confusion, Obama's running mate, Joe Biden, said in an interview yesterday the cuts are for even fewer people, limited to incomes of $150,000 or less.

Depending on the source of information, just who will have their taxes raised and who will have them cut under Obama's plan varies.

The campaign's homepage, for example, accessed today, reads, "Obama said he wanted to give a tax break to all families making under $250,000 per year, which he said was 95 percent of American workers."

Yet in the "Defining Moment" ad released on YouTube last week and viewable below, Obama says the tax cut "for 95 percent of working Americans" is only for those who make less than $200,000 per year.

According to the 2006 IRS statistics published by the National Taxpayers Union, "95 percent of working Americans" only includes those making less than $153,542 per year.

And now, Fox News reports Biden told a Scranton, Pa., TV station yesterday that Obama's tax break "should go to middle class people – people making under $150,000 a year."

At a rally in Pennsylvania, CBS News reports, McCain took the opportunity to blast Obama as a candidate with more and more taxes on his mind.

"Sen. Obama has made a lot of promises," McCain said. "First he said people making less than $250,000 would benefit from his plan, then this weekend he announced in an ad that if you're a family making less than $200,000 you'll benefit – but yesterday, right here in Pennsylvania, Sen. Biden said tax relief should only go to 'middle class people – people making under $150,000 a year.' You getting an idea of what's on their mind?"

(Story continues below)

     


"I'll launch a rescue plan for the middle class that begins with a tax cut for 95 percent of working Americans," Obama says in the "Defining Moment" advertisement. "If you have a job, pay taxes and make less than $200,000 a year, you'll get a tax cut."

The full "Defining Moment" advertisement can be seen below:



The disparity in the numbers has Republican campaigners riled.

The Obama campaign media site, The Record, quotes Tucker Bounds, spokesman for McCain-Palin saying, "By adjusting his tax increases to include anyone making more than $200,000, Barack Obama has reversed himself and issued a shifty new call for at least 1 million more hardworking Americans to be added to his plans for higher taxes."

The Record immediately rebutted Bounds, insisting Obama's plan has always included a tax hike on Americans making more than $250,000, but the tax cut is only for those making less than $200,000.

The site then quotes Obama at the Oct. 7 presidential debate: "If you make less than a quarter of a million dollars a year, you will not see a single dime of your taxes go up. If you make $200,000 a year or less, your taxes will go down."

Biden's comments yesterday, however, have heated up criticism again.

"You getting an idea of what's on their mind, huh? A little sneak peak," McCain said, according to Fox News. "It's interesting how their definition of rich has a way of creeping down. At this rate, it won't be long before Senator Obama is right back to his vote that Americans making just $42,000 a year should get a tax increase."

Obama campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor did not directly address Biden's comments, but he released a statement about McCain's criticism.

"The McCain campaign's attacks are getting more desperate by the hour," Vietor said. "Obama and Biden have always said, under their plan no family making less than $250,000 will see their taxes increase one cent. And if your family makes less than $200,000 – as 95 percent of workers and their families do – you'll get a tax cut."


 


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Re: 250,000 - 200,000 and now down to 150,000
« Reply #40 on: November 01, 2008, 09:26:14 AM »
Wev went over this like 5 times... Right wing folks not having common sense...

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Re: 250,000 - 200,000 and now down to 150,000
« Reply #41 on: November 01, 2008, 12:03:25 PM »
Wev went over this like 5 times... Right wing folks not having common sense...
please explain it to me busted i must have missed it ::)

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Re: 250,000 - 200,000 and now down to 150,000
« Reply #42 on: November 01, 2008, 12:05:13 PM »
please explain it to me busted i must have missed it ::)
try reading ::)

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Re: 250,000 - 200,000 and now down to 150,000
« Reply #43 on: November 01, 2008, 12:16:09 PM »
try reading ::)
try reading this http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=243792.0 and then comment on it  ::) must have skipped over this thread huh?

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Re: 250,000 - 200,000 and now down to 150,000
« Reply #44 on: November 01, 2008, 02:31:05 PM »
try reading this http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=243792.0 and then comment on it  ::) must have skipped over this thread huh?

They only read and comprehend stuff that goes with their way of thinking.

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Re: 250,000 - 200,000 and now down to 150,000
« Reply #45 on: November 01, 2008, 02:46:05 PM »
please explain it to me busted i must have missed it ::)

Obviously explaining it to you will do nothing.  This has been explained SEVERAL TIMES here, and you fail to understand.  So it's pointless

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Re: 250,000 - 200,000 and now down to 150,000
« Reply #46 on: November 01, 2008, 05:16:15 PM »
Obviously explaining it to you will do nothing.  This has been explained SEVERAL TIMES here, and you fail to understand.  So it's pointless

what do you make of this?

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Re: 250,000 - 200,000 and now down to 150,000
« Reply #47 on: November 01, 2008, 05:29:02 PM »

what do you make of this?

3 things...

First, hes running for VP not the PRESIDENT.

Second- He said "it should be how it used to be, where tax breaks go to people making less than 150,000 a year".... HOW IT USED TO BE, meaning he was talking about PAST TENSE. Does that mean that's OBAMAS DIRECT POLICY? NO It means at one point people making 150k were getting tax breaks.

Third-  Why do all of you broke ass republicans not care that people that make millions get tax breaks and you dont?

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Re: 250,000 - 200,000 and now down to 150,000
« Reply #48 on: November 02, 2008, 12:03:50 AM »
3 things...

First, hes running for VP not the PRESIDENT.

Second- He said "it should be how it used to be, where tax breaks go to people making less than 150,000 a year".... HOW IT USED TO BE, meaning he was talking about PAST TENSE. Does that mean that's OBAMAS DIRECT POLICY? NO It means at one point people making 150k were getting tax breaks.

Third-  Why do all of you broke ass republicans not care that people that make millions get tax breaks and you dont?

first thing that never made a difference when you where ragging on palin?

Second thing what he says apparently from what you hold over palin should coincide with obamas views and stances so is it 150 or 250?

Third thing is why do all you broke ass democrats want free hand outs from the rest of the working public while you sit on your asses and we work for our shit?

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Re: 250,000 - 200,000 and now down to 150,000
« Reply #49 on: November 02, 2008, 12:08:17 AM »
Second- He said "it should be how it used to be, where tax breaks go to people making less than 150,000 a year".... HOW IT USED TO BE, meaning he was talking about PAST TENSE. Does that mean that's OBAMAS DIRECT POLICY? NO It means at one point people making 150k were getting tax breaks.
yes he refers to the past but he reference the future as in SHOULD BE meaning that he believes that it should be this way again.