An insiders view of "supplement" use by Pros

[QuakerOats]

it's awesome to have Harley Breite on board, he's Craig Richardson's training partner and he offers a some pretty cool insight in the life of a pro as it pertains to training, nutrition and gear use, in a post of his he stated that the typical pro's cycle for a show would be 6-9 IU's of GH divided into 2 daily doses, 1200-1500 mg. of test/week, possibly either 50mg. of Anadrol or 40mg. of D bol daily, what do you guys think of this regimen?

[MONSTER_TRICEPS]

Could be true, craig is between 210-220 shredded, but I bet the bigger guys are dosing a lot higher.

[io856]

Looks about right

[Rearden Metal]

Sounds reasonable.

[Boost]

I really don't know anything bout supplements,
but how much would all that cost?

[Big_Tymer]

I really don't know anything bout supplements,
but how much would all that cost?

without the gh, about $75 per week.  not bad at all.  it is the gh that makes the cost get very high.

[Big_Tymer]

most guys probably add a little deca, tren or eq to the mix.  but what he posted looks pretty accurate

[tbombz]

I didnt want to ask about gear or argue with Harley about what he says on the subject, simply because im a huge fan of Craigs physique and i dont want to upset harley in anyway so he does not post as frequently or as openly. BUT..those doseages and drugs are what Craig lets us know (lets Harley know). Is that ALL he takes ? nothing more ? ... hmm... well, i would ask this question   =   if he was taking more, would he say so, or would he rather have people beliieve he built his body on less than he did  ? 


if someone asks me what i use, im going to undercut it. plain and simple. i think most guys will be the same way. 

[wavelength]

if someone asks me what i use, im going to undercut it. plain and simple. i think most guys will be the same way.

what what tbombz, you have been lying to us?

[240 is Back]

6-9 IU's of GH divided into 2 daily doses, 1200-1500 mg. of test/week, possibly either 50mg. of Anadrol or 40mg. of D bol daily, what do you guys think of this regimen?

sounds accurate

[The GodFather]

Sounds close for a non top 10 Pro put the test up to about 3grams and the D.Bol upto 20 aday then increase the GH to 24 iu aday put a few more drugs in there and Booooooooooooooom Baby Livin the Dream. for a short while anyway.

[io856]

Sounds close for a non top 10 Pro put the test up to about 3grams and the D.Bol upto 20 aday then increase the GH to 24 iu aday put a few more drugs in there and Booooooooooooooom Baby Livin the Dream. for a short while anyway.

all that to get to 210lbs on stage?

[avesher]

I just ate like 2 pounds of chili--what kind of gains can I expect? 

[Bluto]

keep us posted of the good stuff so we dont have to read through that whole thread

[QuakerOats]

Sounds close for a non top 10 Pro put the test up to about 3grams and the D.Bol upto 20 aday then increase the GH to 24 iu aday put a few more drugs in there and Booooooooooooooom Baby Livin the Dream. for a short while anyway.

maybe for a few guys but i highly doubt most use that much.

[avesher]

ohoh I think I am reaping the benefits of all that chili

[LATS]

 BOYER COE ONCE SAID "ask what they take then double it".. now there are some that can be very receptive to low dosages.. but, one pro that i know who is very honest and does not b.s. said that most everyone he knows takes 1000-1500 test a week (some as high as 2000)..  either 600 of deca or eq (basically a more anabolic based compound), a oral (50 mgs dbol or 50-100 mgs of a50) plus hgh at usually 6-8 ius.. so he is not far off.. but, some of the "littler" guys take more than the big guys.. you cant go by looks alone..  

[QuakerOats]

BOYER COE ONCE SAID "ask what they take then double it".. now there are some that can be very receptive to low dosages.. but, one pro that i know who is very honest and does not b.s. said that most everyone he knows takes 1000-1500 test a week (some as high as 2000)..  either 600 of deca or eq (basically a more anabolic based compound), a oral (50 mgs dbol or 50-100 mgs of a50) plus hgh at usually 6-8 ius.. so he is not far off.. but, some of the "littler" guys take more than the big guys.. you cant go by looks alone..  

sounds reasonable.

[Wiggs]

it's awesome to have Harley Breite on board, he's Craig Richardson's training partner and he offers a some pretty cool insight in the life of a pro as it pertains to training, nutrition and gear use, in a post of his he stated that the typical pro's cycle for a show would be 6-9 IU's of GH divided into 2 daily doses, 1200-1500 mg. of test/week, possibly either 50mg. of Anadrol or 40mg. of D bol daily, what do you guys think of this regimen?

That seems ok for a guy Craig's size 5'7 215.
Average pro cycle......HELL NO.

In Marcus Ruhl steroid book I picked up in 2000 (it's in German), there were cycles like this:

Week 1 - 5: 1g of test C or E, 8-12 I.U. of GH, 100mg of D-bol or 100mg  A-bomb (Anadrol) and 750g of Deca
Week 6 - 12 1500 g of test C or E 8 - 12 I.U. of GH, 150mg of Dbol or 150mg A bomb and 1000mg of Deca
Week 13-16 2 g of test C or E 8 - 12 I.U. of GH, 1200 mg of Deca and don't remember how slin but slow acting or fast acting
Week 17 - 20 1 g of test C or E 8-12 I.U. of GH, 750 mg of Deca and the slin

This is an offseason protocol.  T-3,is used and anti estrogens i.e. nolva or arimedex and HCG post cycle

That is a legit pro cycle.  I remember when I read that, the first thing I thought was thought it was long as hell.
But Marcus says in the book that when you do short cycles, the majority of gains is water and you really need 16-20 cycles for solid gains.......oh yeah, this is for informational purposes only

[tbombz]

there is no such thing as a 'cycle' in the ifbb... cycle = cyclical = time off.. nope ..lol.


once a guy is a probodybuilder the doses are most likely alot lower than when he was an amatuer and trying to get into the pro's.  the guys get huge of mega doses then lower the amounts and sustain what they have and train differently to 'refine' their physique..   there is an assumption that just because somebody used..lets say 5 g ew... that they cant go down to a reasonable 750 or 1 g ew and still make the same pace of gains as someone who has been on 1g or 750 the whole time....   this is flawed... the hormones never stop working.. in fact they work better with time..and mega dosing probably makes the lower doses MORE effective, not less effective, since with increasing levels of androgens the density of androgen receptors increases... and more androgen receptors means the same amount of androgens is more effective...

[io856]

holy shit that info is  gold tbombz

I suspect many will find that confrontational to their prior beliefs

and mega dosing probably makes the lower doses MORE effective, not less effective, since with increasing levels of androgens the density of androgen receptors increases... and more androgen receptors means the same amount of androgens is more effective...

[ManBearPig...]

there is no such thing as a 'cycle' in the ifbb... cycle = cyclical = time off.. nope ..lol.


once a guy is a probodybuilder the doses are most likely alot lower than when he was an amatuer and trying to get into the pro's.  the guys get huge of mega doses then lower the amounts and sustain what they have and train differently to 'refine' their physique..   there is an assumption that just because somebody used..lets say 5 g ew... that they cant go down to a reasonable 750 or 1 g ew and still make the same pace of gains as someone who has been on 1g or 750 the whole time....   this is flawed... the hormones never stop working.. in fact they work better with time..and mega dosing probably makes the lower doses MORE effective, not less effective, since with increasing levels of androgens the density of androgen receptors increases... and more androgen receptors means the same amount of androgens is more effective...

i hate to do this to you, but if you don't shut the fuck up, i'm gonna have to call your mom on you.

[tbombz]

i hate to do this to you, but if you don't shut the fuck up, i'm gonna have to call your mom on you.

[ManBearPig...]

you got something to say, Jungle Fever?

[tbombz]

you got something to say, Jungle Fever?

lol.. 'thank you for the cool nickname'   ?