An insiders view of "supplement" use by Pros

[Wiggs]

there is no such thing as a 'cycle' in the ifbb... cycle = cyclical = time off.. nope ..lol.


once a guy is a probodybuilder the doses are most likely alot lower than when he was an amatuer and trying to get into the pro's.  the guys get huge of mega doses then lower the amounts and sustain what they have and train differently to 'refine' their physique..   there is an assumption that just because somebody used..lets say 5 g ew... that they cant go down to a reasonable 750 or 1 g ew and still make the same pace of gains as someone who has been on 1g or 750 the whole time....   this is flawed... the hormones never stop working.. in fact they work better with time..and mega dosing probably makes the lower doses MORE effective, not less effective, since with increasing levels of androgens the density of androgen receptors increases... and more androgen receptors means the same amount of androgens is more effective...

Tbombz you know I love you man but I know you're wrong.  As I'm sure you know the body adapts to things very quickly.  e.g. drugs, painkiller etc.  What you are saying goes against science. 
In addition, most if not all pros put on weight when they turn pro and they're not doing it by lowering the dosage.

Oh yeah you have a set amount of receptors they only way you get more is with GH because GH creates new muscle not increase the size of muscle already there.

[tbombz]

Tbombz you know I love you man but I know you're wrong.  As I'm sure you know the body adapts to things very quickly.  e.g. drugs, painkiller etc.  What you are saying goes against science. 
In addition, most if not all pros put on weight when they turn pro and they're not doing it by lowering the dosage.

no, actully im right. the body does not react o hormones the same way it reacts to drugs and posions. with unnatural things like ephedrine and alcohol and vicodin...yes thebody does adapt tand they lose effectiveness. but quite the opposite chain of events happens with hormones. the body actually UPREGULATES in the presence of hormones (and hormone derivatives which act like the parent hormone... ex. = AAS).  androgen receptor density increases, blood volume increases, serum igf and gh increases, satellite cell density and sensitivity increases...etc etc etc.   

[Captain Equipoise]

no, actully im right. the body does not react o hormones the same way it reacts to drugs and posions. with unnatural things like ephedrine and alcohol and vicodin...yes thebody does adapt tand they lose effectiveness. but quite the opposite chain of events happens with hormones. the body actually UPREGULATES in the presence of hormones (and hormone derivatives which act like the parent hormone... ex. = AAS).  androgen receptor density increases, blood volume increases, serum igf and gh increases, satellite cell density and sensitivity increases...etc etc etc.   

You got your shit backwards dude, ask any vet in the game, that's been ON gear for 2 years straight, they gotta keep ramping dosages up and cycling compounds in and out because after a few months the products start flatlining.

[Wiggs]

Please provide proof.  This goes against everything I've been taught and learned the last 12 years...

I'm asking Palumbo he'll know

[tbombz]

You got your shit backwards dude, ask any vet in the game, that's been ON gear for 2 years straight, they gotta keep ramping dosages up and cycling compounds in and out because after a few months the products start flatlining.

i know that people do this kind of thing. because they think they have to. but in fact all the science proves that they are incorrect and that its just the opposite. all those things i mention above are fact and are proven by science. cycling compounds is another myth as well.    


one thing that might be true is that after a certain point your body will beocme so muscullar that insulin will be very hard to get elevated, and meeting sufficient calorie intake for growth will be very hard, so either you have to up the doseage of AAS, or use exogenous slin.  ive also read about satellite cells becomeing TOO dense, at which point they might actually become counterproductive, and thus you would have to run some pegMGF in order to counter balance this.

im not a endocrinologist, i dont know the exact details, but the upregulation in response to hormones is fact and proven.

[tbombz]

Please provide proof.  This goes against everything I've been taught and learned the last 12 years...

I'm asking Palumbo he'll know

dont ask palumbo ... hes an idiot.. he said numerous things totally inaccurate about gear... one off the top of my head is that he said the reaosn why low estogen slows down hypertrophy is because "it desensitizes androgen receptors"

hahahah what a fucing cown

talking out of his ass

anybody with basic knowledge would know that that is a completely false explanation of why low estrogen slows down growth



anyway, if you want to ask an EXPERT, go ask william lewellyn. www.bodyofscience.com   ask bill

[Emmortal]

You got your shit backwards dude, ask any vet in the game, that's been ON gear for 2 years straight, they gotta keep ramping dosages up and cycling compounds in and out because after a few months the products start flatlining.

I'm not a pro but can first hand attest to this.  I don't always up the dose persay, depending on what I'm doing, but I have to change my esters and compounds out, like switch from test c to test e or prop etc, throw in EQ instead of Deca etc etc.  I've been on for almost a year straight at the moment.

[HarleyBreite]

I didnt want to ask about gear or argue with Harley about what he says on the subject, simply because im a huge fan of Craigs physique and i dont want to upset harley in anyway so he does not post as frequently or as openly. BUT..those doseages and drugs are what Craig lets us know (lets Harley know). Is that ALL he takes ? nothing more ? ... hmm... well, i would ask this question   =   if he was taking more, would he say so, or would he rather have people beliieve he built his body on less than he did  ? 


if someone asks me what i use, im going to undercut it. plain and simple. i think most guys will be the same way. 

You never have to worry about upsetting me if you ask a legitimate question.  I wanted to offer GetBig a bit of an insider's view and that may require a bit of brutal honesty.  Please remember that I prefaced what I wrote by saying that Craig Richardson has never possessed any controlled dangerous substance.  I am merely offering a "hypothetical" based upon my "perspective."  Having again said that, I will once again tell you that what I wrote was correct.  There seem to be quite a few people who find that to be true and "reasonable."  Do the bigger guys use more?  Most do as they can afford it and have been using that same amount for years.  However, typically, pros find that they don't need as much to maintain their pro status as they did while trying to earn it.  As they grow in size, their GH use increases but most guys keep maintaining and making modest gains all the while on the same amount of supplements.  That's the truth.  Gear, like anything else, can be taken in excess which leads only to a terribly inefficient use of the gear by the body.  Many guys who think gear is the answer have NEVER SERIOUSLY dieted for 12 continuous weeks.  Try it and I guarantee your gains will amaze you.  
Harley

[HarleyBreite]

Seeing as I am new to this board I will check any responses or questions on the thread that I started earlier today in my own name.  It's just because it will make things easier for me until I learn how to go back and forth a bit better. 

[just_a_pilgrim]

Many guys who think gear is the answer have NEVER SERIOUSLY dieted for 12 continuous weeks.  Try it and I guarantee your gains will amaze you.  
Harley

No it's the drugs! Training and dieting do nothing it's all drugs! Waaaaaaaa