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Re: Kyomu the G4P
« Reply #75 on: November 06, 2008, 12:45:01 PM »
Do you think Shukendo is better than Mikkyou?  I personally prefer Shinto, but I guess it's all a matter of taste. 8)

 ::) ::)

Shukendo is a mixed way of Mikkyou and Shinto.
Its a clever way.
But, some says that its not easy to learn both and failing to master both.
I personaly I dont believe it. But... who knows? Each person has their belief. Boodoo is mixed way also(African and Catholic) and powerful.
I personaly like Shinto more too, because all the mantras are in Japanese and easy to give those influence to my underconciousness.
Any spell should work better with the native language, i guess.
Since your mother tongue is not japanese, I think its not clever way to practice it.However, If you like their philosophy,I understnd it.

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LMAO on "Boodoo" though.

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Re: Kyomu the G4P
« Reply #76 on: November 06, 2008, 12:46:16 PM »
::) ::)

owned.


LMAO on "Boodoo" though.
Why owned?

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Re: Kyomu the G4P
« Reply #77 on: November 06, 2008, 12:49:27 PM »
Why owned?


Because Panda doesn't know shit and just typed three words of your post into a sentence that doesn't make sense. ;D ;D ;D

Also, it's Voodoo, not Boodoo.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Kyomu the G4P
« Reply #78 on: November 06, 2008, 12:51:17 PM »
Because Panda doesn't know shit and just typed three words of your post into a sentence that doesn't make sense. ;D ;D ;D

Also, it's Voodoo, not Boodoo.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Why the hate?  I was asking an honest question.

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Re: Kyomu the G4P
« Reply #79 on: November 06, 2008, 12:52:05 PM »
::) ::)

owned.


LMAO on "Boodoo" though.
Its an opinon of many opinions of mine. Forget about it.
I know that many shingon work in spite of not understanding the meaning of those.
I have debeted about it with some priests.
For example, Hannyashingyou should be in Japanese translation or the standard chinese translation. Which?

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Re: Kyomu the G4P
« Reply #80 on: November 06, 2008, 12:53:05 PM »
Because Panda doesn't know shit and just typed three words of your post into a sentence that doesn't make sense. ;D ;D ;D

Also, it's Voodoo, not Boodoo.  ;D ;D ;D ;D
I know I know. Its also for you.
Just I had very lil hope to him.

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Re: Kyomu the G4P
« Reply #81 on: November 06, 2008, 01:00:07 PM »
I know I know. Its also for you.
Just I had very lil hope to him.

Well, I'm sorry you have "very lil hope to me" (wtf ??? )

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Re: Kyomu the G4P
« Reply #82 on: November 06, 2008, 01:03:12 PM »
Its an opinon of many opinions of mine. Forget about it.
I know that many shingon work in spite of not understanding the meaning of those.
I have debeted about it with some priests.
For example, Hannyashingyou should be in Japanese translation or the standard chinese translation. Which?

Japanese translation is absolutely necessary to understand, but chinese (or rather on-yomi) sounds better.  ;D ;D



 ;D


Well, I'm sorry you have "very lil hope to me" (wtf ??? )

パンダ= Owned. 

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Re: Kyomu the G4P
« Reply #83 on: November 06, 2008, 01:13:52 PM »
Japanese translation is absolutely necessary to understand, but chinese (or rather on-yomi) sounds better.  ;D ;D



 ;D


パンダ= Owned. 
Haha interesting.
I remeber that i cried a lot when I understand the meaning of Hannyashingyou. Then I thought how many japanese know this unbelievable philosophy of Hannayshingyou. I consider Hannyashingyou as the end(conclusion) of the long story of history of philosophy.

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Re: Kyomu the G4P
« Reply #84 on: November 06, 2008, 01:17:53 PM »
Here's another one for people who have less time.

 :o :o :o ;D ;D


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Re: Kyomu the G4P
« Reply #85 on: November 06, 2008, 01:19:32 PM »
Here's another one for people who have less time.

 :o :o :o ;D ;D


Damn he looks pretty suspicious. :o

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Re: Kyomu the G4P
« Reply #86 on: November 06, 2008, 01:23:59 PM »
Haha interesting.
I remeber that i cried a lot when I understand the meaning of Hannyashingyou. Then I thought how many japanese know this unbelievable philosophy of Hannayshingyou. I consider Hannyashingyou as the end(conclusion) of the long story of history of philosophy.

I love this sutra especially as well. 色即是空 空即是色


Here's an english translation, which loses nearly all there is to me in japanese:

When Avalokiteshvara Bodhisattva was practicing the profound prajna paramita, he illuminated the five skandhas and saw that they are all empty, and he crossed  beyond all suffering and difficulty.     

Shariputra, form does not differ from emptiness;  emptiness does not differ from form. Form itself is emptiness; emptiness itself is form. So, too, are feeling, cognition, formation, and consciousness.
 
Shariputra, all dharmas are empty of characteristics.  They are not produced. Not destroyed, not defiled, not  pure, and they neither increase nor diminish. Therefore, in emptiness there is no form, feeling, cognition,  formation, or consciousness; no eyes, ears, nose, tongue,  body, or mind; no sights, sounds, smells, tastes, objects of  touch, or dharmas; no field of the eyes, up to and  including no field of mind-consciousness; and no  ignorance or ending of ignorance, up to and including no  old age and death or ending of old age and death. There is no suffering, no accumulating, no extinction, no way, and  no understanding and no attaining.   

Because nothing is attained, the Bodhisattva, through  reliance on prajna paramita, is unimpeded in his mind.  Because there is no impediment, he is not afraid, and he leaves distorted dream-thinking far behind. Ultimately Nirvana!

All Buddhas of the three periods of time attain  Anuttarasamyaksambodhi through reliance on prajna  paramita. Therefore, know that prajna paramita is a  great spiritual mantra, a great bright mantra, a supreme  mantra, an unequalled mantra. It can remove all  suffering; it is genuine and not false. That is why the  mantra of prajna paramita was spoken. Recite it like this:

Gate gate paragate parasamgate bodhi svaha!

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Re: Kyomu the G4P
« Reply #87 on: November 06, 2008, 01:28:53 PM »
I love this sutra especially as well. 色即是空 空即是色


Here's an english translation, which loses nearly all there is to me in japanese:

When Avalokiteshvara Bodhisattva was practicing the profound prajna paramita, he illuminated the five skandhas and saw that they are all empty, and he crossed  beyond all suffering and difficulty.     

Shariputra, form does not differ from emptiness;  emptiness does not differ from form. Form itself is emptiness; emptiness itself is form. So, too, are feeling, cognition, formation, and consciousness.
 
Shariputra, all dharmas are empty of characteristics.  They are not produced. Not destroyed, not defiled, not  pure, and they neither increase nor diminish. Therefore, in emptiness there is no form, feeling, cognition,  formation, or consciousness; no eyes, ears, nose, tongue,  body, or mind; no sights, sounds, smells, tastes, objects of  touch, or dharmas; no field of the eyes, up to and  including no field of mind-consciousness; and no  ignorance or ending of ignorance, up to and including no  old age and death or ending of old age and death. There is no suffering, no accumulating, no extinction, no way, and  no understanding and no attaining.   

Because nothing is attained, the Bodhisattva, through  reliance on prajna paramita, is unimpeded in his mind.  Because there is no impediment, he is not afraid, and he leaves distorted dream-thinking far behind. Ultimately Nirvana!

All Buddhas of the three periods of time attain  Anuttarasamyaksambodhi through reliance on prajna  paramita. Therefore, know that prajna paramita is a  great spiritual mantra, a great bright mantra, a supreme  mantra, an unequalled mantra. It can remove all  suffering; it is genuine and not false. That is why the  mantra of prajna paramita was spoken. Recite it like this:

Gate gate paragate parasamgate bodhi svaha!
MMmm Not so bad. I guessed it much worse. ;D

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Re: Kyomu the G4P
« Reply #88 on: November 06, 2008, 01:31:08 PM »
MMmm Not so bad. I guessed it much worse. ;D

No, it's a bad translation because it leaves very important words in its sanskrit origin.


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Re: Kyomu the G4P
« Reply #89 on: November 06, 2008, 01:48:05 PM »
No, it's a bad translation because it leaves very important words in its sanskrit origin.


Just I feel the translator understand "emptiness" as the contrary of "form".
And Its not.

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Re: Kyomu the G4P
« Reply #90 on: November 06, 2008, 02:03:05 PM »
Just I feel the translator understand "emptiness" as the contrary of "form".
And Its not.

Our past differences aside, I completely agree with you on that point.

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Re: Kyomu the G4P
« Reply #91 on: November 06, 2008, 11:51:44 PM »
Our past differences aside, I completely agree with you on that point.

All ridiculing aside, if you think emptiness is the opposite of form, you haven't understood what the sutra wants to say.

色即是空、空即是色 it's much more beautiful in this way.  ;D

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Re: Kyomu the G4P
« Reply #92 on: November 07, 2008, 09:36:41 PM »
All ridiculing aside, if you think emptiness is the opposite of form, you haven't understood what the sutra wants to say.

色即是空、空即是色 it's much more beautiful in this way.  ;D

I personally am a big fan of the sutra.  I know not everybody is, and I respect their opinion.

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Re: Kyomu the G4P
« Reply #93 on: November 07, 2008, 10:49:06 PM »
I personally am a big fan of the sutra.  I know not everybody is, and I respect their opinion.


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Re: Kyomu the G4P
« Reply #94 on: November 08, 2008, 04:56:16 AM »
I personally am a big fan of the sutra.  I know not everybody is, and I respect their opinion.

good to hear that.

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Re: Kyomu the G4P
« Reply #95 on: November 08, 2008, 05:01:00 AM »
Very good thread. The translation might be flawed, but truth always finds a way to shine through.

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Re: Kyomu the G4P
« Reply #96 on: November 08, 2008, 05:39:05 AM »
fucking stoopid thread wasted 3.5 minutes of my life.
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Re: Kyomu the G4P
« Reply #97 on: November 08, 2008, 05:40:23 AM »
fucking stoopid thread wasted 3.5 minutes of my life.

If you had understood the truth of the heart sutra, you could see that there is no such thing as "wasting time".

hope this helps.

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Re: Kyomu the G4P
« Reply #98 on: November 08, 2008, 05:50:48 AM »
If you had understood the truth of the heart sutra, you could see that there is no such thing as "wasting time".

hope this helps.
Haha. Maybe he is iluminated and he dont think about philosophy anymore. ;D

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Re: Kyomu the G4P
« Reply #99 on: November 08, 2008, 09:02:34 AM »
Yes he certainly is illuminated, maybe even to the point of enlightment.