240 called it

[Tre]

Give the man his props. 

With the exception of saying that Hillary would be the #2, his predictions were money.

A year ago, I said that Obama would not win because of his name.  I was wrong.  Very wrong.

God bless the USA. 

[240 is Back]

Getbig----

Every time you've debated a topic with a thick-headed neocon, there have been dozens of people reading it.

Every time you have proven Bush or mccain in a lie, there have been dozens of people reading it.

The internet led to the demise of Rovian tactics.  message boards ended that kind of fearmongering.


Every time you pointed out a contradictory statement by mccain.
Every time you pointed out the hypocracy and lies of Iraq.
Every time you questioned events that were orchestrated.

You spoke to dozens who then spoke to dozens of their friends.  You changed history.  We all did it.  You know who you are.  You didn't just accept what FOX or CNN fed you - you looked at alternative sources of info and you found your own truth, and you debated it with your peers.

We changed history.  Tell your fcking grandkids one day.  You were a part of the web revolution.  You inserted transparency into the political spectrum.  Obama will be squeaky clean from minute 1 because he HAS to be.

[The True Adonis]

Getbig----

Every time you've debated a topic with a thick-headed neocon, there have been dozens of people reading it.

Every time you have proven Bush or mccain in a lie, there have been dozens of people reading it.

The internet led to the demise of Rovian tactics.  message boards ended that kind of fearmongering.


Every time you pointed out a contradictory statement by mccain.
Every time you pointed out the hypocracy and lies of Iraq.
Every time you questioned events that were orchestrated.

You spoke to dozens who then spoke to dozens of their friends.  You changed history.  We all did it.  You know who you are.  You didn't just accept what FOX or CNN fed you - you looked at alternative sources of info and you found your own truth, and you debated it with your peers.

We changed history.  Tell your fcking grandkids one day.  You were a part of the web revolution.  You inserted transparency into the political spectrum.  Obama will be squeaky clean from minute 1 because he HAS to be.

Indeed.  The Internet is the citizens tool to hold us all accountable.

[tbombz]

i called this shit the same time TIME  magazine called it --- way back i 2004 when they put obama on the cover after the DNC speech.

[The Coach]

Very naive voters....you voted for radical socialism, Obama made no bones about it. He was elected because of 1. The media (I said this long ago).

2. He baught the election by way of lieing about not taking public contributions.

And 3......because he's black. (1/2 black)

Not one person can convince me it was because of his policy ideas, especially since he's changed at least 3 times on every issue thats been brought up.

[webcake]

Very naive voters....you voted for radical socialism, Obama made no bones about it. He was elected because of 1. The media (I said this long ago).

2. He baught the election by way of lieing about not taking public contributions.

And 3......because he's black. (1/2 black)

Not one person can convince me it was because of his policy ideas, especially since he's changed at least 3 times on every issue thats been brought up.

Do you consider him to be half-white or half-black?

[avesher]

240 you arent supposed to be talking politics, you are supposed to be getting back in shape

[tbombz]

Very naive voters....you voted for radical socialism, Obama made no bones about it. He was elected because of 1. The media (I said this long ago).

2. He baught the election by way of lieing about not taking public contributions.

And 3......because he's black. (1/2 black)

Not one person can convince me it was because of his policy ideas, especially since he's changed at least 3 times on every issue thats been brought up.

he said he supported public contributions, di he ever say he would use them as his sole source of campaign funds? i dont think he did. he did not ever lie.

changing your mind is much better than having a closed mind. issues are not so simple and straight forward and easy to figure out. most al issues are complex and have many valid points on both sides of the argument. flip flopping is just a negative term used by unintelligent people who dont understand someone who understands the complexities ad is objective enough to make them all known.

[240 is Back]

240 you arent supposed to be talking politics, you are supposed to be getting back in shape

Today was rest day again - i spent the day working polling stations as employee, then driving fmaily member to vote.  i'm too tired to move.  drank whey shakes and are bananas all night.  dieting correctly doesn't take all that much more time. 

[240 is Back]

Very naive voters....you voted for radical socialism, Obama made no bones about it. He was elected because of 1. The media (I said this long ago).

2. He baught the election by way of lieing about not taking public contributions.

And 3......because he's black. (1/2 black)

Not one person can convince me it was because of his policy ideas, especially since he's changed at least 3 times on every issue thats been brought up.

Joe, didn't you say it yourself that the only reason Obama won, was the shitty economy recently?  I know most repub pundits agree - Mccain led until the $ collapse.

if so, then doesn't that mean people chose based upon their perceptions of his policy?

[The Coach]

Well Rob, since all trails lead to the Dems for economy downfall...no I didn't, ask Barney Frank. It was the media that won this for Obama not Obama.

[240 is Back]

Well Rob, since all trails lead to the Dems for economy downfall...no I didn't, ask Barney Frank. It was the media that won this for Obama not Obama.

There was a huge budget surplus under Clinton (as much as I disliked the guy)

There was a huge deficit under Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush 2.

That pretty much sums it up, eh?

[The Coach]

We went over this a million times Rob, the final year to year and a half Clinton has this country heading into a recission. Bush inherited it and it lead to the biggest economic turn around in recent memory DURING wartime. The rhertoric is getting old Rob!

[240 is Back]

We went over this a million times Rob, the final year to year and a half Clinton has this country heading into a recission. Bush inherited it and it lead to the biggest economic turn around in recent memory DURING wartime. The rhertoric is getting old Rob!

Joe, you're right.  War did stall the recession.  That is why Bush started them.

However, war in and of itself is not sustainable.  Bush borrowed 5 trillion bucks.  Clinton sure as hell never did that, nor did anyone else.  Bush borrowed more $ than every other president COMBINED

You can't blame the dems for that - bush said if they didn't pass his $ bills, they hated the troops.  So, they gave him the $.

[Weez]

Good call 240. You were "on" all the way.

[tbombz]

YOUR BOTH NOT VERY OBJECTIVE


one wants to blindly support dems one wants to blindy supprt repubs

fact is BOTH are responsible

did economic down turn start in late 90's ?  yup. whose to blame ? BOTH clinton and the repub congress. the repub congress for their idealogy and clinton for being a pussy and a slave to the polls and allowing them to do whatever they wished




now my friends THAT is called being objective

[disco_stu]

now the US citizens need to rise up and take back what was once a great country.

which will mean trading off some "freedoms" to get some security- so kids dont get shot to pieces whilst trick or treating.

you guys MUST do evertything you can to get rid of the right to bear arms in the constitution. Sure those who want to will get hold of them, but the country is crap and dangerous with anyone able to just tote a weapon.

The rest of the world would be in awe of the US if things like that changed. Currently we just shake our heads and think- thank fuck we dont live in that place.

...i expect many flames...so bring it on rednecks!

[D-bol]

As a citizen of another country on another continent I am happy about the choice you guys made. There are many problems in global economics and politics at the moment and how Obama will deal with them remains to be seen, but at least this is a very positive beginning and a different one too.

[Nordic Beast]

I must say I was impressed by 240 throughout this campaign----more so than any other getbigger arguing for either candidate, 240 had teh most concise, logical and intelligent arguments hands down.

While people like Coach wanted to argue vague and deceitful slandering points, 240 kept it about the issues and the state of our country and how Obama would be the best choice for the future.

[marcus]

What condition was the economy in when Clinton was elected?

[dr.chimps]

  Obama will be squeaky clean from minute 1 because he HAS to be.

Politics 101: Good intentions will be abridged by the Rules of the Game. See: Jimmy Carter. 

[Luv2Hurt]

he said he supported public contributions, di he ever say he would use them as his sole source of campaign funds? i dont think he did. he did not ever lie.

changing your mind is much better than having a closed mind. issues are not so simple and straight forward and easy to figure out. most al issues are complex and have many valid points on both sides of the argument. flip flopping is just a negative term used by unintelligent people who dont understand someone who understands the complexities ad is objective enough to make them all known.

Well put.

[Lord Humungous]

Rob,

Where will Obama proposed 1 Trillion in new spending going to come from since we are running in the red (and have been) for years??



Welcome to the land of higher taxes!!

I cant wait for the fee health care, boy o boy I hope its better than the VA!

[Devon97]

Give the man his props. 

With the exception of saying that Hillary would be the #2, his predictions were money.

A year ago, I said that Obama would not win because of his name.  I was wrong.  Very wrong.

God bless the USA. 

Or as NoBama's pastor would say........&$%#&@^ the USA!

[240 is Back]

What condition was the economy in when Clinton was elected?

DOW was 3000 the day Clinton toon office in Jan 1993. 
DOW was 10,000 the day Bush took office in Jan 2001.