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[pumpster]

right- it isn't the team then- it's the QB.

so cassel would have san fransico at 6-3 or oakland at 6-3.

the only reason NE is at 6-3 isn't because of cassel but because of NE. this is inarguable.

Again you're making simplistic black and white assumptions. To repeat, you can't separate the team from the player, it's both. Therefore you can't assume that he would or wouldn't do well elsewhere, and to then make the jump that the record should be the same on an entirely different team is absurd.

[jerseyhurricane]

Again you're making simplistic black and white assumptions. To repeat, you can't separate the team from the player, it's both. Therefore you can't assume that he would or wouldn't do well elsewhere, and to then make the jump that the record should be the same on an entirely different team is absurd.

Speak English please...

[jerseyhurricane]

 

Cassel would be a very good acquisition by another team but i don't see NE willing to give him up any time soon unless forced to. Vikings should've addressed the QB situation sooner, have to get someone at least competent to have a decent shot in future.

New England won't have a choice... Cassel is a free agent after this season. Unless they franchise him and I don't see that happening. Besides they would probably let him go anyway to avoid any kind of QB controversy in case Brady doesn't come back 100%

[pumpster]

New England won't have a choice... Cassel is a free agent after this season. Unless they franchise him and I don't see that happening. Besides they would probably let him go anyway to avoid any kind of QB controversy in case Brady doesn't come back 100%

Even with Brady healthy (a big if given the infection) i think they go out of their way now to hold him.

[ATHEIST]

Even with Brady healthy (a big if given the infection) i think they go out of their way now to hold him.

i dont think brady will be the same qb. it took McNabb a few years to recover. Brady was not mobile before the injury he'll be even less so after.

[Beefjake]

i dont think brady will be the same qb. it took McNabb a few years to recover. Brady was not mobile before the injury he'll be even less so after.

Yes - maybe only like 40TDs and 3700yards, a 20% decline...

[UPINTHEMGUTS]

i dont think brady will be the same qb. it took McNabb a few years to recover. Brady was not mobile before the injury he'll be even less so after.

I totally agree with you about his injury. This has been a difficult rehab because of his choosing another surgeon other than NE's recommended doctor. That knee might never be the same. I hope I'm wrong because I love watching great players play.

[body88]

Just to let you guys know Brady was walking Gisele's dog in Boston last week.  The infection you are talking about was a staph infection that is pretty common post surgery.  Not to say it was not a big deal, but according to Mike Reiss of the Boston globe Brady will be fine, and is on track to be back by next year.  Also, Brady did not have the same injury as Carson Palmer or Mcnabb.  Palmer has knee cap damage and also tore his Lateral Meniscus, as well as his MCL and PCL.  Mcnabb has an injury along the same lines.  Both those injuries were worse than what Brady did.  Further more, Brady is not a mobile qb, and he shuffles in the pocket, this injury will effect him far less than an athlete who cuts and shifts.  I say he will be fine.  Brady was never mobile in any sense.  he shuffles and steps up.  what makes him so good is his sense of pressure, and his diagnosis of a defense the second he sees it, that has little to do with knee movement. 

Hush-hush reports say Brady had minor damage to the PCL ( which they let heal on its own), and he tore his ACL.  I tore my ACL in college, and I recovered fine.  If Brady was a Rb then I might agree,  but Brady literally is the master at stepping up in the pocket, and this injury is not going to effect that much - imo.

[body88]

right- it isn't the team then- it's the QB.

so cassel would have san fransico at 6-3 or oakland at 6-3.

the only reason NE is at 6-3 isn't because of cassel but because of NE. this is inarguable.

Of course it is, NE as over 11 starters on ir or injured.   The team is a shell of what it was last year.  Look at the secondary!  Cassel had 400 yards passing, 60 yards rushing, 3 td's and no ints after his 9th NFL start.  Of course he would make the teams you listed better.  He will only improve.

[pumpster]

I totally agree with you about his injury. This has been a difficult rehab because of his choosing another surgeon other than NE's recommended doctor. That knee might never be the same. I hope I'm wrong because I love watching great players play.

Debatable whether the choice of surgeon would've made any difference in terms of recovery, even using a different sequence of surgeries. Infections are common and the knee is responding to medications so far.

Still plenty of time to recover, and ya he doesn't run too much thus it shouldn't be as much of an issue as with some other players.

As i've said before and as one of the retired announcer QBs also pointed out, he needs to be wearing a knee brace from now on-on both knees IMO. Mobility will be reduced but with a pocket passer it's not a huge difference and can be worked around.

[body88]

Debatable whether the choice of surgeon would've made any difference in terms of recovery, even using a different sequence of surgeries. Infections are common and the knee is responding to medications so far.

Still plenty of time to recover, and ya he doesn't run too much thus it shouldn't be as much of an issue as with some other players.

As i've said before and as one of the retired announcer QBs also pointed out, he needs to be wearing a knee brace from now on-on both knees IMO. Mobility will be reduced but with a pocket passer it's not a huge difference and can be worked around.

I agree.  Andrews was the Doctor the pats wanted Brady to go with, but Brady chose Dr. Neal ElAttracherady, who literally wrote the book on reconstructive knee surgery.  Further more, Andrews and Neal regularly consult with one another regarding the surgeries that they do.  Brady's infection was from bad luck, not from a poor choice in a Doctor.  According to the latest reports, Brady is doing well on the antibiotics, and will not require the reconstructed ligament to be replaced.

I think ESPN is hyping this whole thing up more than it should be.  Brady was one of the most immobile qb's out there before the hit, and this surgery is not going to effect his ability to shuffle and step up.   Brady at 90% is better than everyone in the NFL (other than Manning), anyway.  Lots of qb's have physical skill, most dont have the mental ability and quick release that Tom brady has.  Thats what makes him what he is.  Snap-Read-Defensive read-throw.....faster than anyone in the NFL.

[pumpster]

Brady's infection was from bad luck. 

Apparently infections are common post-surgery. The real bad luck would be if the antibiotics didn't work, necessitating further surgery. To date that hasn't been required.

[body88]

Apparently infections are common post-surgery. The real bad luck would be if the antibiotics didn't work, necessitating further surgery. To date that hasn't been required.

Yes, I was unaware of how common staph infections are around America.  I would have been worried if the ligament had to come out, but it didn't so it looks like things will be fine.  I tell you what though, I hope the pats find a way to keep Cassel......at least we could get a nice draft pick for him.  If he keeps playing the way he is playing, they just might franchise him and trade him off.  Team like the 49ers, the lions and the Vikings would be salivating to bring a "ready-to-go" franchise QB.

[no one]

this is ridiculous...

do you guys watch football? if so, can you separate the love of your favourite football team from reality?

to suggest matt cassel would have san fransico playing at a higher level, or oakland playing at a higher level is laughable.

there are AT LEAST 15-20 quarterbacks i can think of i'd rather build a franchise around and have on my team.

matt cassel isn't one of them.

but maybe that's because i can look at all of this objectively.

[pumpster]

this is ridiculous...

do you guys watch football? if so, can you separate the love of your favourite football team from reality?

to suggest matt cassel would have san fransico playing at a higher level, or oakland playing at a higher level is laughable.

there are AT LEAST 15-20 quarterbacks i can think of i'd rather build a franchise around and have on my team.

matt cassel isn't one of them.

but maybe that's because i can look at all of this objectively.

Based on your "superior knowledge" and self-described "objectivity" i'd say you're well-qualified to follow Matt Millen in Detroit LOL your vast wealth of knowledge and rock-solid judgement is badly needed there.

Who said anything about playing at a higher level with another team? Not I, genius. You're truly an easy-reader and whatever drugs you're on i want some, they're damn good.

NE's not necessarily my favorite team, wrong interpretation once again. Because of your warped point of view you misinterpret anything said that is positive about them as too much. Amusing; keep it comin U R a real gem.


Hope this helps.

[ATHEIST]

Yes - maybe only like 40TDs and 3700yards, a 20% decline...

if you say so beefcake

[no one]

Based on your "superior knowledge" and self-described "objectivity" i'd say you're well-qualified to follow Matt Millen in Detroit LOL your vast wealth of knowledge and rock-solid judgement is badly needed there.

Who said anything about playing at a higher level with another team? Not I, genius. You're truly an easy-reader and whatever drugs you're on i want some, they're damn good.

NE's not necessarily my favorite team, wrong interpretation once again. Because of your warped point of view you misinterpret anything said that is positive about them as too much. Amusing; keep it comin U R a real gem.


Hope this helps.

dear sweetheart,

i thank you for acknowledging my superior knowledge on this topic in comparison to yours, however it is not needed- i knew that i was in far better shape to debate this the moment i read some of your original posts.

i meerly suggested that perhaps being a fan of the patriots may have led to an over-abundance of support for cassel's on this thread- after all, how else do you explain such an outpouring of love and emotion for a guy who has only started 10 games since highschool, yet you claim he is now one of the top 15 quarterbacks in the league.

Bottom line he's already at least in the middle of the pack of NFL QBs or higher, that's the reality.

i should find all of this rather befuddling, but of course now that i see how well you know the game, it doesn't surprise me

why don't you try watching football one day. it really is an engrossing sport. then after you have formed opinions based on objectivity and rational thought you can come back here and join in the discussions without making yourself look the fool- which i might add you are quite competent at.

congratulations on that.

[body88]

this is ridiculous...

do you guys watch football? if so, can you separate the love of your favourite football team from reality?

to suggest matt cassel would have san fransico playing at a higher level, or oakland playing at a higher level is laughable.

there are AT LEAST 15-20 quarterbacks i can think of i'd rather build a franchise around and have on my team.

matt cassel isn't one of them.

but maybe that's because i can look at all of this objectively.

Then you don't' know what you are talking about.  Matt Cassel had his tenth start of the season last year, and is ranked in the top 8 qb's in the NFL state wise.  You cant name 8 qb's who have better numbers than Matt Cassel right now.  You wouldn't want to build your team around a 6'5 240 kid, who can pass for over 400 yards, rush for over 60 yards, and be ranked in among the best qb's in the NFL in only his tenth start?

You will be proven wrong in the offseason when one of the teams are are talking about gives Cassel 40 million.  Cassel has far better numbers and poise than Jamarcus Russull of that bum starting in San Fran.  Pumpster is far from a homer...we argue all the time.







1 Drew Brees  NO  QB  241  362  66.6  40.2  2,985  8.2  331.7  17  10  127  35.1  84T  40  12  8  96.1 
2 Kurt Warner  ARI  QB  238  337  70.6  37.4  2,760  8.2  306.7  19  6  135  40.1  79T  28  6  16  106.4 
3 Jay Cutler  DEN  QB  211  342  61.7  38.0  2,616  7.6  290.7  18  11  120  35.1  93T  34  5  6  89.5 
4 Donovan McNabb  PHI  QB  199  324  61.4  36.0  2,372  7.3  263.6  13  5  112  34.6  90T  33  6  13  90.7 
5 Philip Rivers  SD  QB  176  270  65.2  30.0  2,354  8.7  261.6  21  8  112  41.5  67  34  9  12  106.3 
6 Peyton Manning  IND  QB  204  334  61.1  37.1  2,248  6.7  249.8  15  9  111  33.2  75  24  4  11  84.8 
7 Brett Favre  NYJ  QB  220  315  69.8  31.5  2,237  7.1  223.7  18  12  117  37.1  56T  23  7  19  93.0 
8 Matt Cassel  NE  QB  208  316  65.8  31.6  2,200  7.0  220.0  10  7  107  33.9  66T  18  3  32  87.3 
8 Chad Pennington  MIA  QB  185  278  66.5  30.9  2,200  7.9  244.4  8  5  105  37.8  80T  24  5  15  92.6 

[body88]

dear sweetheart,

i thank you for acknowledging my superior knowledge on this topic in comparison to yours, however it is not needed- i knew that i was in far better shape to debate this the moment i read some of your original posts.

i meerly suggested that perhaps being a fan of the patriots may have led to an over-abundance of support for cassel's on this thread- after all, how else do you explain such an outpouring of love and emotion for a guy who has only started 10 games since highschool, yet you claim he is now one of the top 15 quarterbacks in the league.
i should find all of this rather befuddling, but of course now that i see how well you know the game, it doesn't surprise me

why don't you try watching football one day. it really is an engrossing sport. then after you have formed opinions based on objectivity and rational thought you can come back here and join in the discussions without making yourself look the fool- which i might add you are quite competent at.

congratulations on that.

Actually its top 8 according to NFL.COM:

1 Drew Brees  NO  QB  241  362  66.6  40.2  2,985  8.2  331.7  17  10  127  35.1  84T  40  12  8  96.1 
2 Kurt Warner  ARI  QB  238  337  70.6  37.4  2,760  8.2  306.7  19  6  135  40.1  79T  28  6  16  106.4 
3 Jay Cutler  DEN  QB  211  342  61.7  38.0  2,616  7.6  290.7  18  11  120  35.1  93T  34  5  6  89.5 
4 Donovan McNabb  PHI  QB  199  324  61.4  36.0  2,372  7.3  263.6  13  5  112  34.6  90T  33  6  13  90.7 
5 Philip Rivers  SD  QB  176  270  65.2  30.0  2,354  8.7  261.6  21  8  112  41.5  67  34  9  12  106.3 
6 Peyton Manning  IND  QB  204  334  61.1  37.1  2,248  6.7  249.8  15  9  111  33.2  75  24  4  11  84.8 
7 Brett Favre  NYJ  QB  220  315  69.8  31.5  2,237  7.1  223.7  18  12  117  37.1  56T  23  7  19  93.0 
8 Matt Cassel  NE  QB  208  316  65.8  31.6  2,200  7.0  220.0  10  7  107  33.9  66T  18  3  32  87.3 
8 Chad Pennington  MIA  QB  185  278  66.5  30.9  2,200  7.9  244.4  8  5  105  37.8  80T  24  5  15  92.6 

The stats don't lie brother...nor does the fact that Matt Cassel outplayed Trent Edwards and Brett Farve over the last two weeks.  Cassel threw for over 400 yards. rushed for sixty yards and threw three td's vs a top d in the NFL last night.  Just accept your wrong and admit the mistake.  You don't have to like Cassel, but your posts are horribly inaccurate and incorrect when talking about him.

[no one]

Actually its top 8 according to NFL.COM:

1 Drew Brees  NO  QB  241  362  66.6  40.2  2,985  8.2  331.7  17  10  127  35.1  84T  40  12  8  96.1 
2 Kurt Warner  ARI  QB  238  337  70.6  37.4  2,760  8.2  306.7  19  6  135  40.1  79T  28  6  16  106.4 
3 Jay Cutler  DEN  QB  211  342  61.7  38.0  2,616  7.6  290.7  18  11  120  35.1  93T  34  5  6  89.5 
4 Donovan McNabb  PHI  QB  199  324  61.4  36.0  2,372  7.3  263.6  13  5  112  34.6  90T  33  6  13  90.7 
5 Philip Rivers  SD  QB  176  270  65.2  30.0  2,354  8.7  261.6  21  8  112  41.5  67  34  9  12  106.3 
6 Peyton Manning  IND  QB  204  334  61.1  37.1  2,248  6.7  249.8  15  9  111  33.2  75  24  4  11  84.8 
7 Brett Favre  NYJ  QB  220  315  69.8  31.5  2,237  7.1  223.7  18  12  117  37.1  56T  23  7  19  93.0 
8 Matt Cassel  NE  QB  208  316  65.8  31.6  2,200  7.0  220.0  10  7  107  33.9  66T  18  3  32  87.3 
8 Chad Pennington  MIA  QB  185  278  66.5  30.9  2,200  7.9  244.4  8  5  105  37.8  80T  24  5  15  92.6 

The stats don't lie brother...nor does the fact that Matt Cassel outplayed Trent Edwards and Brett Farve over the last two weeks.  Cassel threw for over 400 yards. rushed for sixty yards and threw three td's vs a top d in the NFL last night.  Just accept your wrong and admit the mistake.  You don't have to like Cassel, but your posts are horribly inaccurate and incorrect when talking about him.

you are saying that cassel's is the 8th best quarterback in the NFL, is that correct?

[Beefjake]

if you say so beefcake

Meaning, even if he ain't the QB he used to be, ( his 2008 stats minus 20%) he's still pretty good.

Dunno, he might be better than he was. He'll be 4-6weeks behind normal acl recovery because of that pcl tear. Still, how long did it take for Carson Palmer to be ok? 6months.

Hes got time.

[no one]

Then you don't' know what you are talking about.  Matt Cassel had his tenth start of the season last year, and is ranked in the top 8 qb's in the NFL state wise.  You cant name 8 qb's who have better numbers than Matt Cassel right now.  You wouldn't want to build your team around a 6'5 240 kid, who can pass for over 400 yards, rush for over 60 yards, and be ranked in among the best qb's in the NFL in only his tenth start?

You will be proven wrong in the offseason when one of the teams are are talking about gives Cassel 40 million.  Cassel has far better numbers and poise than Jamarcus Russull of that bum starting in San Fran.  Pumpster is far from a homer...we argue all the time.

lol-

no, you will be proven wrong when NE fails to make the playoffs, or if they by luck do make it, gets bounced out of the first round and cassel's toils for the rest of his very short career in the NFL as the guy who played behind tom brady.

he will not even be a footnote in NFL history.

you do realise, outside the shell of getbig, that if you were to make the kind of statements regarding cassel's you make on here on any football forum online you'd be a laughing stock, right?

NOBODY in their right mind would say cassel's is one of the top 10 quarterbacks in the NFL.

lol.

[ATHEIST]

Meaning, even if he ain't the QB he used to be, ( his 2008 stats minus 20%) he's still pretty good.

Dunno, he might be better than he was. He'll be 4-6weeks behind normal acl recovery because of that pcl tear. Still, how long did it take for Carson Palmer to be ok? 6months.

Hes got time.

 yeah. true 20% less is still more than the majority of the qb's. forgot about Carson, it took him the off season. i hate to see a guy lose any part of his career even if its Tom Brady. i feel bad for Carson though.

[body88]

you are saying that cassel's is the 8th best quarterback in the NFL, is that correct?

No, the stats aer saying it. Right now over 10 games, Matt Cassel is a top ten QB in the NFL.  Even more impressive is the fact that he has only played 10 games since highschool.  Anyone with a brain can see he has potential.  Actually its top 8 according to NFL.COM:

1 Drew Brees  NO  QB  241  362  66.6  40.2  2,985  8.2  331.7  17  10  127  35.1  84T  40  12  8  96.1 
2 Kurt Warner  ARI  QB  238  337  70.6  37.4  2,760  8.2  306.7  19  6  135  40.1  79T  28  6  16  106.4 
3 Jay Cutler  DEN  QB  211  342  61.7  38.0  2,616  7.6  290.7  18  11  120  35.1  93T  34  5  6  89.5 
4 Donovan McNabb  PHI  QB  199  324  61.4  36.0  2,372  7.3  263.6  13  5  112  34.6  90T  33  6  13  90.7 
5 Philip Rivers  SD  QB  176  270  65.2  30.0  2,354  8.7  261.6  21  8  112  41.5  67  34  9  12  106.3 
6 Peyton Manning  IND  QB  204  334  61.1  37.1  2,248  6.7  249.8  15  9  111  33.2  75  24  4  11  84.8 
7 Brett Favre  NYJ  QB  220  315  69.8  31.5  2,237  7.1  223.7  18  12  117  37.1  56T  23  7  19  93.0 
8 Matt Cassel  NE  QB  208  316  65.8  31.6  2,200  7.0  220.0  10  7  107  33.9  66T  18  3  32  87.3 
8 Chad Pennington  MIA  QB  185  278  66.5  30.9  2,200  7.9  244.4  8  5  105  37.8  80T  24  5  15  92.6 

[body88]

lol-

no, you will be proven wrong when NE fails to make the playoffs, or if they by luck do make it, gets bounced out of the first round and cassel's toils for the rest of his very short career in the NFL as the guy who played behind tom brady.

he will not even be a footnote in NFL history.

you do realise, outside the shell of getbig, that if you were to make the kind of statements regarding cassel's you make on here on any football forum online you'd be a laughing stock, right?

NOBODY in their right mind would say cassel's is one of the top 10 quarterbacks in the NFL.

lol.

You're an idiot.  I said the stats say he is a top qb in the NFL right now (which they do). I post on many football forums, and anyone with half a brain would take a QB who plays like Cassel has over his first 10 starts. Look how much money Jarmarcus Russel makes, and he sucks!  Ob Cassel is going to get better and improve with time.  I have shown you with stats and facts why you are wrong, yet you continue to act like a bafoon.  You're not worth arguing with because its clear you have no idea what you are talking about.

You will be wrong, just like all the other idiots who mouth of for the hell of it.  Try to counter My argument with stats and facts.  Using stats from the last ten games, show me 15 qb's better than Matt Cassel right now.  If NE does not make the playoffs, it will be because they have a rash of injuries, not Matt Cassel.  You will come back with some lame insult or post, which will not include any acutal football stats, breakdowns or logical thinking.  Like, lol