Adrian Peterson

[body88]

Meaning, even if he ain't the QB he used to be, ( his 2008 stats minus 20%) he's still pretty good.

Dunno, he might be better than he was. He'll be 4-6weeks behind normal acl recovery because of that pcl tear. Still, how long did it take for Carson Palmer to be ok? 6months.

Hes got time.

Carson Palmer also had knee cap damage plus he also tore his meniscus. Palmer tore his ACL, PCL damaged his meniscus and had knee cap damage.  Brady's injury was not even close to as severe as Palmer's.

[ATHEIST]

lol-

no, you will be proven wrong when NE fails to make the playoffs, or if they by luck do make it, gets bounced out of the first round and cassel's toils for the rest of his very short career in the NFL as the guy who played behind tom brady.

he will not even be a footnote in NFL history.

you do realise, outside the shell of getbig, that if you were to make the kind of statements regarding cassel's you make on here on any football forum online you'd be a laughing stock, right?

NOBODY in their right mind would say cassel's is one of the top 10 quarterbacks in the NFL.

lol.

i would not say Cassel is a top 10-15 qb myself right now. possibly in the future, odds are in favor of him. he knows the system which is a benefit for him and he plays well in that system. the only thing you can take from him right now is that he can  be a qb for the pats and do well.
looking into the future and predicting on how other teams look at him and analyze what he did this year is speculative, you just dont know.
as a Dolphin fan myself i can objectively say that i THINK he will get more than his fair share of looks from other teams, probably the hottest qb's on the market. another huge factor i think is that he has been qb for soo long and hasnt been hit, didnt play in college or the pros for that matter, but we know he can be a good qb. he has very low milage, but yet can be very productive. those type of attributes are never found. before he got the start, when was the last time he got sacked or hit really hard, high school? if i were starting a team i would definitely look at Cassel over the other possible qbs availible. and again im a dolphin fan.

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wait actually yeah i would say  top 10 not top 15.

*this was changed due to my error. i got the numbers transposed.

[body88]

wait actually yeah i would say  top 15, not top 10 though.

Check this out:

1 Drew Brees  NO  QB  241  362  66.6  40.2  2,985  8.2  331.7  17  10  127  35.1  84T  40  12  8  96.1 
2 Kurt Warner  ARI  QB  238  337  70.6  37.4  2,760  8.2  306.7  19  6  135  40.1  79T  28  6  16  106.4 
3 Jay Cutler  DEN  QB  211  342  61.7  38.0  2,616  7.6  290.7  18  11  120  35.1  93T  34  5  6  89.5 
4 Donovan McNabb  PHI  QB  199  324  61.4  36.0  2,372  7.3  263.6  13  5  112  34.6  90T  33  6  13  90.7 
5 Philip Rivers  SD  QB  176  270  65.2  30.0  2,354  8.7  261.6  21  8  112  41.5  67  34  9  12  106.3 
6 Peyton Manning  IND  QB  204  334  61.1  37.1  2,248  6.7  249.8  15  9  111  33.2  75  24  4  11  84.8 
7 Brett Favre  NYJ  QB  220  315  69.8  31.5  2,237  7.1  223.7  18  12  117  37.1  56T  23  7  19  93.0 
8 Matt Cassel  NE  QB  208  316  65.8  31.6  2,200  7.0  220.0  10  7  107  33.9  66T  18  3  32  87.3 
8 Chad Pennington  MIA  QB  185  278  66.5  30.9  2,200  7.9  244.4  8  5  105  37.8  80T  24  5  15  92.6

[ATHEIST]

Check this out:

1 Drew Brees  NO  QB  241  362  66.6  40.2  2,985  8.2  331.7  17  10  127  35.1  84T  40  12  8  96.1 
2 Kurt Warner  ARI  QB  238  337  70.6  37.4  2,760  8.2  306.7  19  6  135  40.1  79T  28  6  16  106.4 
3 Jay Cutler  DEN  QB  211  342  61.7  38.0  2,616  7.6  290.7  18  11  120  35.1  93T  34  5  6  89.5 
4 Donovan McNabb  PHI  QB  199  324  61.4  36.0  2,372  7.3  263.6  13  5  112  34.6  90T  33  6  13  90.7 
5 Philip Rivers  SD  QB  176  270  65.2  30.0  2,354  8.7  261.6  21  8  112  41.5  67  34  9  12  106.3 
6 Peyton Manning  IND  QB  204  334  61.1  37.1  2,248  6.7  249.8  15  9  111  33.2  75  24  4  11  84.8 
7 Brett Favre  NYJ  QB  220  315  69.8  31.5  2,237  7.1  223.7  18  12  117  37.1  56T  23  7  19  93.0 
8 Matt Cassel  NE  QB  208  316  65.8  31.6  2,200  7.0  220.0  10  7  107  33.9  66T  18  3  32  87.3 
8 Chad Pennington  MIA  QB  185  278  66.5  30.9  2,200  7.9  244.4  8  5  105  37.8  80T  24  5  15  92.6

yeah i saw that, but im also including the fact that he has little experience. ive seen many qb's have solid seasons only never to be heard from again.
according to the stats, Brett is a better qb now than Cassel. but i dont think so, would you say so? i hope not. thats the thing with looking soley at numbers.
 i would also take Cassel over River now, again the stats dont include certain intangibles. hope you get what im trying to say.

[pumpster]

he knows the system which is a benefit for him and he plays well in that system. the only thing you can take from him right now is that he can  be a qb for the pats and do well.

You cannot separate a QB's talents from the system he's in until he plays elsewhere, at which time he's been well-coached, has absorbed and will apply those football smarts in any system.

Montana, who i believe is the best QB of all time along with Bradshaw, was considered a system QB, and did just fine in KC-his limitations there were due to a lower level of talent, coaching and his own age, not the system or experience with it.

[ATHEIST]

You cannot separate a QB's talents from the system he's in until he plays elsewhere, at which time he's already absorbed and can use much of that knowledge to his benefit without being in the same system actually. Montana, probably the best QB of all time, was considered a system QB, and did just fine in KC-his limitations there were due to a lower level of talent, coaching and his own age, not the system or experience with it.

yes but youre comparing Montana to Cassel.
*probably the first time they've been in the same sentence together.

 Montana had a history of complete success.. Cassel has what ten games?
the probability of Montana succeeding else where was a lot higher than Cassels's at this point of his career.
 further more i think you misread my post. all i was saying was that all we know of Cassel right now is what we have seen so far. the only thing we can base his talent on is what we have seen 10 games or so, that being said i would definitely look at him if i were starting a team. hope i dont sound contradictive. im doing this at work.

[pumpster]

yes but youre comparing Montana to Cassel.

Wrong again. Your faulty logic suggests that you did not graduate high school.

I didn't compare them, i brought up an exellent example of a system QB who then played elsewhere, thereby destroying your claim.

[ATHEIST]

Wrong again. Your faulty logic suggests that you did not graduate high school.

I didn't compare them, i brought up an exellent example of a system QB who then played elsewhere, thereby destroying your claim.

ok..lets do this then.
  firstly who ever said Montana was a system QB. where? please provide the evidence. A QB of that stature isnt relegated to being a system qb.     where?

also where did i mention anyone being considered being a system qb in this thread? please find that also.

[ATHEIST]

Check this out:

1 Drew Brees  NO  QB  241  362  66.6  40.2  2,985  8.2  331.7  17  10  127  35.1  84T  40  12  8  96.1 
2 Kurt Warner  ARI  QB  238  337  70.6  37.4  2,760  8.2  306.7  19  6  135  40.1  79T  28  6  16  106.4 
3 Jay Cutler  DEN  QB  211  342  61.7  38.0  2,616  7.6  290.7  18  11  120  35.1  93T  34  5  6  89.5 
4 Donovan McNabb  PHI  QB  199  324  61.4  36.0  2,372  7.3  263.6  13  5  112  34.6  90T  33  6  13  90.7 
5 Philip Rivers  SD  QB  176  270  65.2  30.0  2,354  8.7  261.6  21  8  112  41.5  67  34  9  12  106.3 
6 Peyton Manning  IND  QB  204  334  61.1  37.1  2,248  6.7  249.8  15  9  111  33.2  75  24  4  11  84.8 
7 Brett Favre  NYJ  QB  220  315  69.8  31.5  2,237  7.1  223.7  18  12  117  37.1  56T  23  7  19  93.0 
8 Matt Cassel  NE  QB  208  316  65.8  31.6  2,200  7.0  220.0  10  7  107  33.9  66T  18  3  32  87.3 
8 Chad Pennington  MIA  QB  185  278  66.5  30.9  2,200  7.9  244.4  8  5  105  37.8  80T  24  5  15  92.6

whoa bod88,  i just re-read my post. i meant to say that i would put him in the top 10 not top 15